patiirc Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 Nick Clegg has been taking all comers on Education on Radio 2 /BBC News and has come out very well  Seems News paper misinformation, and Blind Rage and ignorance has a lot to play in why people are angry  People also seme to be trying to hold the party to ransom still for getting in to bed with the tories rather than labour as well   As confirmed by Clegg  New loans repayments up from 15k to 21 then index linked, loans written off if not paid after 30 years and nothing to be paid up front  Confirmation labour condemned their own report and graduate tax would cost the country more  General Taxation for this as opposted t would stifle growth  Doesnt want kids to not go to university  EMA will be replaced with something that is more targetted as EMA only benficial for 10 per cent of students claiming it the rest was dead money  Accepts that is peoples perogative to demostrate rebuke him and the party, can only restate his position and how a coalition works ( many people it appear dont get this!) and confirm that all his major manfesto pledges are otherwise being dealt with  He came across really well answered everything and didnt shy away from anything.. Even talking about A Lib defector to Labour, confiming who brought tuition fees in the first place and providing an historical performance  If its up on Iplayer later I recommend a listen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buba3d Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 its all kicking off now, flares being chucked at police, other objects and a fence being lobbed at the police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buba3d Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 bill passed for rise in student fees to 9k, all hell is breaking loose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van Dammer Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 Having read more about the tuition fees increases. I didnt release the increases are only to about 6k and coupled with all of the extra benefits they are adding to it I really dont think its as bad as people are making out. I still dont understand what these 'exceptional circumstances' are for the 9k charges though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members JNLister Posted December 9, 2010 Paid Members Share Posted December 9, 2010 The limit is 9k, but any university charging more than 6k has to go through a review to prove they have special measures to attract people from a wide range of backgrounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members JNLister Posted December 9, 2010 Paid Members Share Posted December 9, 2010 There's also an important point being missed in the "Labour introduced fees" argument. Â Fees were introduced to raise extra money for universities, and the government funding stayed the same. Â The new scheme is to cut the government funding (up to 80% in some cases) and get students to make up the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happ Hazzard Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 (edited) Basically (the exceptional circumstances to justify charging 9k) it'll mean any course at Oxbridge, many/most courses at most Russell Group unis, and probably medical courses at any uni. Probably some others as well. But I can't see (for instance) arts students at former polys paying 9k a year. There'd be no demand at that price. Edited December 9, 2010 by Happ Hazzard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d-d-d-dAz Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 With the greatest of respects to the spirit of dissent for which I hold such fondness, the protests do seem to have been a bit much considering the not-that-radical changes to the fee system... Â I know that's grand heresy, but higher fees met with a higher threshold with which you start to pay back seems reasonable enough. Especially considering that there is a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van Dammer Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 Basically (the exceptional circumstances to justify charging 9k) it'll mean any course at Oxbridge, many/most courses at most Russell Group unis, and probably medical courses at any uni. Probably some others as well. But I can't see (for instance) arts students at former polys paying 9k a year. There'd be no demand at that price. Â That seems a fair idea to me then. Why should going to Portsmouth Uni cost the same as Oxford? My friend that did an outdoor sports course at Uni and currently works in HMV has said to me he wouldnt have been able to go to Uni if these fees had been in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Psygnosis Posted December 9, 2010 Paid Members Share Posted December 9, 2010 Oxford Street is being smashed up  And a royal car containing Prince Charles and Camilla is being vandalised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members JNLister Posted December 9, 2010 Paid Members Share Posted December 9, 2010 Why should going to Portsmouth Uni cost the same as Oxford? Â Because education shouldn't be a commodity in a civilised society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members SpursRiot2012 Posted December 9, 2010 Paid Members Share Posted December 9, 2010 These people are idiots. I'm sure smashing up Oxford Street is going to make the Government think, "lets just listen to the angry mob of fucktards." Â Raise it to 20,000. I want to see if they'll storm the gates of the Palace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members JNLister Posted December 9, 2010 Paid Members Share Posted December 9, 2010 What do you suggest they do? Vote for MPs who'll promise to vote against tuition fee rises? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members SpursRiot2012 Posted December 9, 2010 Paid Members Share Posted December 9, 2010 I suggest that they don't commit criminal damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Psygnosis Posted December 9, 2010 Paid Members Share Posted December 9, 2010 (edited) Oh and Leicester Square has been smashed up as well, looks like they're in for a night of it - complete mess apparently. Edited December 9, 2010 by Psygnosis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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