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It's on Sky Sports 1 over here, wandshogun09, cheers for the vids, Egg Shen, it is one of the most interesting fights to call this year, I'm going to wait until I see them at the weigh in that takes place soon before picking. 

This Groves vs Gutknecht fight has been decent, Groves been dominant for the most part and  on my score cards at least six rounds up come the end of the 12th round.

Its a money fight against someone two weight divisions below him and I agree that helps him in the future fighting other British contenders over here if they were to ever take place. In terms of it helping the Canelo fight be bigger over in the States, I don't think so. Respect wise GGG gains nothing from smashing Brook up, but for one fight its all about the money.

Brook's a big enough name i reckon, he did beat Shawn Porter remember. Brook needs this fight as much as GGG though, he's teetering on stardom, if he somehow wins this he's made.

 

There's a shift in boxing at the moment where fighters are looking to come here to fight because the UK scene is thriving and there's money to be made here.

 

...and to whoever asked about Brook being a big welterweight, he is.

He's not a big enough name to help make a Canelo vs GGG fight any bigger then what it already is right now. GGG won't get any respect in the States for smashing Brook up, just like Canelo didn't for knocking out Khan, but he may as well take it as he has no mandatory to face and Canelo refused to fight. Brook has everything to gain here and nothing to lose, you seem to think this is some major fight for GGG, cant say I agree and I say that as a huge GGG fan, its just a really good pay day and he may as well take it if the best fighters closer to him wont fight him.

apparently. GGG needs a big name to scalp to help hype up a match VS Canelo (next year?).

This fight won't help in that sense as Brook isn't a big name, his is coming up two weight divisions and the fight is in England. It's a money fight for GGG, needs someone to fight and credit to Brook for taking as he is going to earn big money, keep his belt at 147 and when he gets destroyed it really won't matter in terms of his reputation as people will give him major props for having the balls to go up and attempt such a challenge.

Golovkin camp have said it isn't true, nothing has been agreed and Canelo  is meant to be facing Liam Smith next at 154lbs for the WBO light-middleweight title. It's quite simple, if GGG who comes in most of the time at 159lbs for his fights, won't come in at 155lbs for the weigh in, Canelo wants no part and he knows he can make good money fighting these other guys, The thing about it being to help Golovkin's name more over there is laughable, 

 

I agree to a point, but the figures Joshua generated for the Whyte fight leaves them no other option. Until Joshua perhaps loses, he's PPV in this country. They did 400k buys last time out.

That's not too shabby but it's not massive compared to some numbers, like Hatton's. That number will grow steadily I'm sure and so they'll feel justifed but just imagine if 1.5-2m people saw that last fight and this one? Then the next fight draws fucking huge on PPV because he's a star. It may be a moot point. He loses this, his next fight's on UK Gold and Sky can be relieved at their 400k buys.

 

Hatton's numbers were against Mayweather, that's a whole different level. For a British title fight to get 400k buys is huge. This fight should draw much more and if Joshua wins, the next fight after should too and so on. If he loses, regardless if on PPV or for free his stock will drop, at least this way he is going to earn big money from it.

I'm not a big fan of PPV either, but because of what happened in the last fight and the numbers it drew, I can't blame them one bit for this being on PPV with it being for a world title and the fact tickets sold out in minutes. Joshua is huge business right now, everyone close to him and fighters who hope to fight him in the future need that gravy train to keep rolling.

 

I agree to a point, but the figures Joshua generated for the Whyte fight leaves them no other option. Until Joshua perhaps loses, he's PPV in this country. They did 400k buys last time out.

That's not too shabby but it's not massive compared to some numbers, like Hatton's. That number will grow steadily I'm sure and so they'll feel justifed but just imagine if 1.5-2m people saw that last fight and this one? Then the next fight draws fucking huge on PPV because he's a star. It may be a moot point. He loses this, his next fight's on UK Gold and Sky can be relieved at their 400k buys.

 

Hatton's numbers were against Mayweather, that's a whole different level. For a British title fight to get 400k buys is huge. This fight should draw much more and if Joshua wins, the next fight after should too and so on. If he loses, regardless if on PPV or for free his stock will drop, at least this way he is going to earn big money from it.

I'm not a big fan of PPV either, but because of what happened in the last fight and the numbers it drew, I can't blame them one bit for this being on PPV with it being for a world title and the fact tickets sold out in minutes. Joshua is huge business right now, everyone close to him and fighters who hope to fight him in the future need that gravy train to keep rolling.

 

Martin at 4/1 for me is great odds. If you go through both his and Joshua's records, the glass of opponent in terms of quality isn't that big a difference. He's 6'5 and a southpaw, Joshua not faced a southpaw in his pro career till now. I'm not a big fan of PPV fights, but Joshua it can't be denied is absolutely huge business and if he manages to take the IBF title, he goes up into another territory money and fights wise.

To be fair, I should re-phrase my prior statement, in that his fight's IMO aren't PPV worthy bouts (IE For a big title, against major opponents) but more because of the promotion and the way he's been beating people. But then again it's also the argument of make £500 or £1000 you go for the £1000 everytime and so long as people buy into the AJ thing why not make shit load's from it. 

 

So worth a punt on Martin then? 

 

This is for the IBF title so it's a pretty big belt on the line, but I know where you are coming from. In his last fight against Whyte they put the hype into overdrive, sold it on being bad blood and the fact Whyte had beaten Joshua in a amateur fight six years previously, based on the PPV figures, it done huge numbers, so even though this fight doesn't have the same drama, history, it's not say the end of a journey, but from the beginning it's been built about Joshua being a world heavyweight champion, this Saturday night he has that opportunity and if he comes through, it will be all about being whether he can be undisputed champion. 

I'd say based on the odds it is, for a one on one fight, looking at the history of both fighters, putting everything together, the odds seem far too one sided, unless the bookies believe Martin is cashing in on his win back in Jan in claiming the title and ready to take a dive.

Martin at 4/1 for me is great odds. If you go through both his and Joshua's records, the glass of opponent in terms of quality isn't that big a difference. He's 6'5 and a southpaw, Joshua not faced a southpaw in his pro career till now. I'm not a big fan of PPV fights, but Joshua it can't be denied is absolutely huge business and if he manages to take the IBF title, he goes up into another territory money and fights wise.

Hopefully it comes to something for Briggs as he deserves it. It was funny, not only the self promotion but him calling out Haye for what he is and the opponent he has chosen. With the way Haye is for publicity you'd think he would be all over fighting Briggs, not only money wise but ranking wise as Briggs is above him in the WBA rankings, but he doesn't seem to want it for some strange reason.

Saunders made it clear in the build up to the Andy Lee fight that he wants nothing to to do with GGG for at least 18 months as not ready for it. So trying to call him out now, yeah he isn't serious. He will milk that WBO title for all it's worth before even thinking of cashing out and losing his 0 along with the belt.

Also in the early hours of this Sunday morning on BoxNation there's the small matter of Andre Ward making his debut at 175lbs against the number 1 contender for Kovalev's IBF title, the undefeated Sullivan Barrera. I'm really looking forward to that one.

 

 

 

I've never been the biggest Joe Warren fan, he like usual talked a lot, but I give him full respect for going out on his shield and not tapping to the choke.

 

I'll bite.

 

Always sensible for a man with 2 kids to needlessly risk his health by refusing to admit when he's beaten. #realMan

 

When you put yourself out there, talk lots of smack towards the guy your fighting, tell everyone how good you are and to top it off, call yourself the "Baddest man on the planet" You must show something if things do not go your way. It's a dangerous sport, the health is always at risk,  it comes with the territory.

 

You seem to be confusing the world of fight hype with the world of reality.

 

He fought to the end, couldn't get out of it and went to sleep, woke up few seconds later and was fine. How's that realMan # trending?

 

 

He fought to the end, was beaten ... and then decided to needlessly take a risk and be rendered unconscious.

 

As for the hash tag ... the view that tapping out when you know you're beaten makes you less of a man seems to live and die with you. At least as far as this forum goes.

 

Hype and reality can go hand in hand. Whether you live up to it or whether you don't. When you portray yourself in a certain light, sometimes you have to go the extra mile as Warren did. You can question whether it's the smartest move or not, but all I was saying is I give him full respect for going out on his shield as I've never been a fan of his. 

That can happen and it's his choice. Maybe he believes what he says? Some fighters are like that and some aren't.

Live and die with me? I think not, who said anything about it making him less of a man? 

 

I've never been the biggest Joe Warren fan, he like usual talked a lot, but I give him full respect for going out on his shield and not tapping to the choke.

 

I'll bite.

 

Always sensible for a man with 2 kids to needlessly risk his health by refusing to admit when he's beaten. #realMan

 

When you put yourself out there, talk lots of smack towards the guy your fighting, tell everyone how good you are and to top it off, call yourself the "Baddest man on the planet" You must show something if things do not go your way. It's a dangerous sport, the health is always at risk,  it comes with the territory. He fought to the end, couldn't get out of it and went to sleep, woke up few seconds later and was fine. How's that realMan # trending?

Caldwell looks a beast, I was very impressed with what he produced, that suplex was nasty. I've never been the biggest Joe Warren fan, he like usual talked a lot, but I give him full respect for going out on his shield and not tapping to the choke. I hope Davis/King Mo doesn't turn out to be the snooze fest I got a feeling it might end up being.

Jacobs should be fighting GGG next, seeing as GGG is the guy holding the proper WBA title at that weight, not surprised they mentioned facing the winner of Lee and Saunders seeing as Showtime showing that fight in two weeks time. Jacobs done great job, I thought Quillin would win close points decision.

It's such a tough fight to call between  Cotto and Canelo, I have been back and forward with who will win since it was first announced, but I just got this feeling Cotto is going to get it done tonight. I can't wait.

tough break for Haskins, i bet he's gutted. Ive gone with Cotto tonight, if he loses im blaming Freddie Roach.

 

edit* just read that the IBF have made Haskins World Champion by default. Not the way anyone wants to win the belt but the right move. Haskins even offered to fight Cabellero at a catchweight but he refused.

Cabellero camp offered the catch weight, Haskins team refused as if he lost he would not be giving the belt and the fact he would be at an even bigger dis advantage then he was going in.

You always have to pay sanctioning fees when defending or fighting for belts.

The thing about this is he was prepared to pay GGG $800k(well his promoters were) so that he didn't have to defend the belt against him so he could defend against Canelo and that no doubt helped him in his negotiations with Canelo's camp as he was the one with the belt. He has made more money by having the belt so having it stripped off him here won't really make a difference, he doesn't want to fight GGG anyway, so if he beats Canelo he can use the excuse that he never lost the belt in the ring and is not made to fight GGG. Now if Canelo wins lets see what he does as I don't see him fighting GGG at 160lbs even though according to the WBC he has agreed too and must fight GGG next if he wins the title. Regardless, looking forward to the fight itself, I think it's going to be a cracker.

With how long it's taken them to announce it would be on PPV seeing as the fight itself was announced back in September you would hope it wouldn't be on PPV with the usual loaded British fighters on the under card in mostly mis-matches, but not surprised to see that it is. I won't be ordering with the Klitschko/Fury fight being on only two weeks earlier.

You're welcome, me too lol, lucky enough found a different way to watch, I won't spoil for anyone but it's really good.

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Oh it is on PPV, i thought the plan was to air if free on Spike TV.

That was the rumour because of the opponent so give it as a give away cause the last fight on his contract and the cash he made from the Pac fight, it will be free, not a chance, Showtime want there money too and people will pay.

I dunno.

If you break downs people's expectations with this fight, and they are comfortable with the concept of you fighting cans, why bother with a testing 50th fight?

Fight another shitbag and leave grinning, I say.

Also, I tend to enjoy excellence and achievement so as much of a nobber as he definitely is, I do sort of want to see him smash Marciano's record. That said, it'd be pretty funny if Berto took his head off.

Because this is the last fight on his Showtime contract, so he is getting paid a set figure regardless of how good or bad the opponent is or the PPV sells. He will be a free agent for the history making 50-0 fight and if that is to be his last, he will milk it for all its worth so it will have to be someone he can make serious money with. Will people pay to see him face any of the three guys I mentioned in rematches for this special occasion, I believe so, I don't think he and Pac can top what they did first time around, but they don't need too, even if they did half off it, it's by far more then Mayweather can do with anybody else besides Canelo and possibly Cotto.

yeh, i think it's all part of a plan to keep it ticking over before having a big fight for the 50-0. The fight is on free TV too. Andre Berto is game though so at least he may drag something exciting out of it.

 

 

It's not on free TV, it's on Showtime PPV over in the States so who knows how well it will sell based on the opponent, but if people generally believe this is the last time they will ever get to watch Mayweather box in a ring live it could do as good if not better then the fights he had against the likes of Guerrero and Maidana.

I have no problem with this fight, after the fight against Pac and the way he won, the 49 fight really is just one to get out of the way and then see if he goes for 50-0. He says he won't but I don't believe that and once he gets Berto out the way, will see what he will do in the history making fight. I would expect it will be a rematch against Pacquiao or a rematch against the winner of Cotto/Canelo to win the WBC title at middleweight in a division he has never won a world title before to finish 50-0

It's listed on my guide for 02:00am in early hours of tomorrow morning.

DeGale vs Dirrell is on Sky Sports 1, bill starting from 8pm our time so you don't have to worry about splashing out for it on PPV. It should be good, such a hard fight to call though.

Oh yeah, in early hours of Sunday morning the baddest man of the planet GGG is back in action defending his WBA middleweight title against Willie Munroe Jnr on BoxNation. Expect the usual fireworks from the main man.