WCW vs. nWo Thread

[Teedy Kay]

Because last Day Vig's attempt failed.

 

I believe NWO know who the Day Vig is.

 

That OK for you?

[Lion_of_the_Midlands]

It seems we cant do anything about familguy until Mike is dead. Familyguy looks scummy because he was either protected or someone roleblocked the vig on him. We cant lynch him until Mike is dead because Mike is a lyncher and it seems that the vig is not working on him.

 

So we need Mike out of the way, sorry Mike

[Retro Red]

Never really said it's balanced that he's a bulletproof. However if he's NOT bulletproof it means that we have a scum doctor AND roleblocker. Simply put, yesterday your guys shot FG, the night prior there was no kill, but you never RB'd Soap.

 

This means Soap either deliberately didn't kill (Which I refuse to buy unless he really wanted to just fuck the game off, and if that was the case, why was he actually playing it at all rather than pissing about?) Or another party blocked him, or protected his target.

 

If someone blocked him/protected his target as would appear to be the likely case, and FG isn't a BP. That means someone either protected FG (and why would they do that unless they're scum?) or roleblocked your vig.

 

Considering FG is Sting, I buy him as a BP much more than I buy scum having one of each, or a single pair, of either roleblockers or doctors.

 

Unless you have another reason there could be for it bristep.

 

Another quite obvious potential scenario would be that Soap attacked our protected day vig and scum roleblocked our day vig. I said that our doc protected our day vig every night.

[Mike Castle]

Soap attacked your protected vig two nights running? Not really buying that as a potential scenario.

[tom]

Tom could be buddying up to me by reminding the game that the focus was on spotlight, and Mike/FG. That can be a new scum mistake, trying to soft push the main suspects and look like he's hunting when in actual fact he's not.

It's not a case of me buddying up to you really; you are one of the most active posters in the game and you come across as experienced, so as a new player I'm just wondering the opinions of one of the more experienced players and as you are a Horseman I know it's a good opinion to hear as you aren't scum trying to push through a mislynch. Besides, the game hardly needs reminding of Mike/FG and Mike., Lion and TMS have been pushing that aspect too. You are, of course, right that it's not nailed-on that it's spotlight, and I would certainly like to hear more from Adam as he's been very inactive, and I'd also like to hear from Finley too

[Lion_of_the_Midlands]

Could have attacked either of the 2 bulletproofs and the protected vig. Or perhaps couldn't be arsed, he didnt seem that bothered about the game

[Retro Red]

Soap attacked your protected vig two nights running? Not really buying that as a potential scenario.

 

On Night Two/Day Three Our day kill went through (ChrisB), Soap may have gone for a bulletproof player (possibly me) or was roleblocked by scum (just like Nicko potentially was the next Night/Day). We didn't roleblock FG that night, and didn't try to kill him that day.

 

We were only looking at why Night Three/Day Four went as it did, you are using a new factor (Night Two/Day Three) to rubbish it. The previous night/day went very differently and trying to look at a common theory for both is flawed logic.

 

IGMEOY.

[Adam619]

Reading up on the post since the day has dawned I am struggling to understand though as a noob to why they have been no night kills over the past 2 nights?

[Teedy Kay]

Mike, happy with my reply? If so can we lynch you already?

 

Or are we going to suggest a killing and then let it subside into nothingness again like the last day phase?

 

Horsemen, slay someone sooner rather than later, then we can get this lynch out the bleeding way.

[Mike Castle]

Soap attacked your protected vig two nights running? Not really buying that as a potential scenario.

 

On Night Two/Day Three Our day kill went through (ChrisB), Soap may have gone for a bulletproof player (possibly me) or was roleblocked by scum (just like Nicko potentially was the next Night/Day). We didn't roleblock FG that night, and didn't try to kill him that day.

 

We were only looking at why Night Three/Day Four went as it did, you are using a new factor (Night Two/Day Three) to rubbish it. The previous night/day went very differently and trying to look at a common theory for both is flawed logic.

 

IGMEOY.

It's hardly rubbishing it, it's looking at the whole, rather than just half of it. It's easy to come up with a reason if you ignore half of what's gone on. But you can't do that, what was around day 1 is around come day 4 (unless it's been lynched/killed). So reasons for something happening day 2 are as important as something that happened day 4. If they can only happen exclusive of each other, then the viewpoint is definitely wrong. Hence why I look at all the days/nights actions, rather than a single period.

 

If scum roleblocked Soap, that means scum would still be using it. They wouldn't suddenly no longer have it this day phase after all.

 

But the point is, it's worth looking into, and taking heed of, and thinking it all through. To NOT think things like that through is to throw away potential information which could be useful. We need to grab at as much information as possible to catch scum as we don't have a great deal to go on (well, you guys do because you're confirmed together), thus if we can work out what type of role scum have it helps us narrow things down, and locks in potential future claims that might be made by them.

 

And TMS, I can see that's possible, but if there's a scum roleblocker blocking the vig... why didn't Gladstone's kill go through the previous night phase? Guess we'll find out some more information if the Vig kill doesn't work.

 

Anyway, good reasoning, I'll buy that. The vig can go ahead.

[swiftstrike]

TMS shouldn't we be waiting to see what happens with the day vig, either the kill going through and subsequent flip or confirmation that the horsemen have tried and failed before we look at pushing through a lynch as the day kill could change the whole shape of what we think is happening?

[spotlightmagnet1]

Sorry guys, been at an Ante Natal class tonight.

 

Carbomb did say that he picked people carefully to play the power roles and scum in this game, so it makes me think (maybe overthink) as to who the scum team would be, and who would be likely recruits. I still think that at least one new player is on the scum team to balance out Nicko being in the mason group. Soap and Spotlight were the two main candidates because of one thing or another, Soap is now dead so that only leaves Spotlight but it could just as easily be Tom, Finlay or Adam, problem is that there has been less from them to go on.

 

Spotlight still concerns me because Ron said he was town. Ron lied in this game. A lot. He's also doing things that can be seen as scumtells such as asking if the mason recruit also became a horseman, despite the post saying so (skimming the thread, not the only time this has happened), and coming up with theories that are flimsy and pushing them such as the 'names derived from posting handles' theory (distraction).

 

Tom could be buddying up to me by reminding the game that the focus was on spotlight, and Mike/FG. That can be a new scum mistake, trying to soft push the main suspects and look like he's hunting when in actual fact he's not.

 

Mike thinks that it's balanced to have a lyncher target who also can't be killed by any other process than lynch (i.e he thinks that FG is bulletproof). I don't think there's a chance that FG is bulletproof given the set up of the game that we know is out there. (i.e 2 bulletproof players revealed), so that really concerns me.

 

If the daykill fails then I really think we need to lynch Mike to see how he flips. I'm not convinced that he's telling the truth about being a lyncher, and while he's offered to have himself be the day kill there's every chance that he knew it would fail (since it did yesterday, and I kind of expect it to again today).

 

Hang on, I mention the names from posting handles thing and people asked me to go into more detail. If memory serves me correctly, you were one. I said it was a stupid idea but it seemed like there were one or two examples. Also the lion theory, I thought I had something, turned out I didn't. I've said no more about it.

 

I asked because I forgot, I read things in these big text blocks and somethings get lost or I'd be Rainman.

[The Icon]

Look, right now trying to guess why there's no night-kills is conjecture, we need to decide who's scum.

 

Right now I'm looking at two players, TMS and Mike Castle. TMS because he seems very lynch itchy, wagoned without a vote, and seemed to prevent his assumption about the day vig as fact. He's looking pretty scummy right now in my eyes.

 

Mike because I know he's my lyncher, and I know I'm town. This would lead me to assume that we're playing on different sides; I may be wrong, Carbomb might have us both on the town team just to add further complications to an already twisty game, however I can't ignore the obvious assumption that if I'm town, he's scum or third party.

[The Icon]

Look, right now trying to guess why there's no night-kills is conjecture, we need to decide who's scum.

 

Right now I'm looking at two players, TMS and Mike Castle. TMS because he seems very lynch itchy, wagoned without a vote, and seemed to prevent his assumption about the day vig as fact. He's looking pretty scummy right now in my eyes.

 

Mike because I know he's my lyncher, and I know I'm town. This would lead me to assume that we're playing on different sides; I may be wrong, Carbomb might have us both on the town team just to add further complications to an already twisty game, however I can't ignore the obvious assumption that if I'm town, he's scum or third party.

 

That should have read 'wagoned with a reason to why he placed his vote.'

[Lion_of_the_Midlands]

TMS does not read like scum to me to be honest FGPMSL, Mike maybe and maybe you I think