WrestleMania XX Thoughts/Discussion Thread

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I think the main question of the night is:Did you scream 'Tap out, bitch' or 'Tap out, motherfucker' at the end?

More of a "Tap You B@astard, Tap You B@astard, Tap You Selfish, Belt Hogging, Daughter Marrying, Career Killing, Juice Guzzling, Self Serving, Ego Driven, Big Nosed, One Time Bag Carrying...... Oh Jesus, He Tapped!!!!" if memory serves me right.

[JNLister]

The sun is rising and I don't want to go to bed in case I wake up and it was all a dream...

[Guest Alan]

I might do an all-nighter. I'm that hyped. Such a perfect, perfect ending.....

[Supremo]

I think the main question of the night is:Did you scream 'Tap out, bitch' or 'Tap out, motherfucker' at the end?

The real question is who else heard Flair shout, "don't think so Motherfucker!" at the Rock when he went for a tag and he intercepted. I marked for that.

[Guest MrMean]

Dude i never said it was a five star match but thats irrelevant here.What made it a classic for me was precisely the reason I just gave. It engrossed me more than the vast majority of matches, it made me feel what was happening like I was watching a legitimate sport, and it suspended my disbelief.Sure the matches you may see in the indies will be TECHNICALLY better but the vast majority are missing the rollercoaster of emotion I was on tonight.Sorry if you don't agree with me man but that's the beauty of the human mind. No two think the same.

Very true indeed my friend.I never said you said it was *****. I was referring to whoever said it was (some reporter dude) still if you enjoyed it good for you Glad ya did :)To add a little more. Taker was a HUGE let down for me. He is just the same just he has a gay tongue licking fetish and longer hair (just as good eh?) Brock Vs Bill was very emotional IMO enjoyed it a lot. Would have liked to see Yang with the Cruser match. Shame he didn

[freaky]

Fantastic ending. In fact both title matches were class acts. Shame about the rip off undertaker nonsense. I'm so happy that Brock lost too!

[CoreyVandal]

The 1st thing I need to say is.....

 

WRESTLEMANIA BABY!!!!

 

I thought the show was extremly solid pretty much throughout. The booking was very strong, although did have some holes at times (when has WWE booking ever been completly hole free?).

 

I know theres been plenty already, but for anyone who's intrested, here's my mini-reveiw:

 

The intro video was great as always. I cant wait for someone to cap it. The McMahon ending was thought-provoking. That babies probably gonna be a 5th generation promotor! Is Vince Passing the torch to Shane? It would be a great time to do so, on the 20th anniversary of the event that changed the sport, but it would look more likliy so happen at WM25, since Vince doesn't show any signs of stopping soon.

 

Big show vs John Cena

Well played out. Cena's reaction to the F-U kickout was trememdous, he realy sold the fact he had nothing left to defeat the Big Show. I was hoping for a debut of a new, more solid finisher, but the chain/brass knux finish work very well.

 

Jindrak & Cade vs Dudley Boyz vs La Resistance vs RVD & Booker T

This match made me realise just how genericly similar La Rez & J&C are. Typical Wrestlemania filler match. Did anyone excect a classic?

 

Chris Jericho vs Christian

Very good match. Lots of emotion, although the finish seemed a little baffling. Its gonna be embarasingly bad to watch the RAW writers 'explanation' me thinks. That said, I think it certainly paid off as the first match (of many I hope!) of the feud.

 

Evolution vs The Rock and Sock Connection

Great match IMO.The match was exactly what you would expect from the competitors. The Rock-Flair stuff was very well done, and Foleys involvment had me marking out constantly throughout the match. It was definatly during this match that it REALY started feeling like a Wrestlemania.

 

The Hall of Fame segment was very emotional, and it was great to see some of those names getting the recognition the deserve. This deserved to be on the card more than 60% of the matches.

 

Torrie Wilson & Sable vs Miss Jackie & Stacy Kiebler

Meh. Excellent match for T&A, props to the camera crew. Apart from that, not much good can be said about this. Just your average non-wrestling womens match.

 

Cruiserweight Open

Not very long, but did anyone out there actualy expect otherwise. There all under 6' and half of them we're Japanese. I think people are fogetting whos booking here. I felt so sorry for Ultimo. At least he made up for it in the ring.

It was great for what it was, a Smackdown style spotfest, with every wrestler hitting most of there highspots. No Malenko but I don't think he would have made that much of an impact to the type of match it was.

 

Brock Lesner vs Bill Goldberg

I had made a 'no internet pact' with myself for the past few days, just to avolid any badly labled spoilers, so I had no idea about the Lesner NFL thing till JR mentioned it.

I wish someone would have tear-gassed the crowd during this one, they totaly ruined a potentialy good match with all their damn smug smart-markedness. I was realy getting annoyed with them.

I'm sure this match would have been better if the crowd hadn't eunanamously decided to take a dump on both competitors before the match had even started. To be honest, If I were Goldberg or Lesner, even if it was Wrestlemania, I don't know if I could realy be arsed doing anything than walk through the match if the people your risking your body out there to entertain acted like that.

The match seemed like it would have been on the same level as Taker-Kane if the crowd weren't such smark mark bitches.

 

Rikishi & Scotty vs The Bashams vs Worlds Greatest Tag Team vs APA

Another filler match to calm the crowd down by boring them. Bad finish, but I guess they need to build another tag team up. How can a WWE Tag Team Champions gimmick be his ass? How can a WWE Tag Team Champions gimmick be his ass still after 5-6 years?!?

 

Victoria vs Molly

Wow! They actualy went throuth the stip. I honesty thought that was one of those things the WWE say to get a couple more buys.

Technicaly a pretty good match. Its a shame the average fan would put them in the same catagory as Torrie and Stacy.

 

Kurt Angle vs Eddie Guerrero

No MOTY, but extremly solid, and one of the best Wrestlemania matches in history.

Eddie can make psychology fun!~

Great finish. I can honestly say I havn't even heard of that finish being used before.

Good to see WWE sticking Eddie, I was expecting to see them bail after the 1st month.

 

Undertaker vs Kane

I don't see why people complained about Takers apperence. Its 2004, not 1997, wrestlings changed. A full on zombie style deadman (although did anone else notice the very slight make-up job round the eyes? or was Taker just tired?) would never fit in this day and age. I like the hybrid. Maybe he could have lost the MMA gloves, but the stetson, black hair and Ministry trowsers did enough for me.

To reply to what some people have said, how the hell can he cover up his neck tattoo? Wrestle in a polo-neck? Try and alter it to a 'darker' work using felt-tip pen? Its a tattoo. Deal with it!

The entrance was worth a whole year of mark-outs all in one. I'd probably say its my favourite 'non-wrestling' moment of wrestling.

As for the match, it was Taker vs Kane, its not like we didn't know what to expect. But it got Taker over without making Kane look too weak.

 

HHH vs Chris Benoit vs Shawn Michaels

MOTN, MOTY, MOTYC, whatever you want to call it, this match was extremly well booked all the way though, and until I watch it again, I cant say anything bad about this match at all.

The table spot was great, and the match realy had some powerful drama to it. I think I woke most of the house up shouting "GET THE FUCK IN THERE BENOIT!!!" when HBK had the cover not so long after the table spot.

It was also a nice surprise to see HHH putting over Benoit 100% cleanly, fair play to him. It was a triple-threat, so he could have avoided the job pretty easily, allowing his character to bitch and moan about never being pinned, but he didn't.

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If you didn't get goosebumps when Benoit and Eddie hugged in the ring with tears in there eyes, then what the hell kind of wrestling fan are you?

 

I thought it was a very good Wrestlemania. Certainly not the best, but it was never anything worse than average, witch for a WWE PPV is a real plus.

 

Now, after writing all of that (I started reading this thread as WM went off the air, then started writing this. Now its 10 to 8!)please can at least one person read it?

[Guest manami_toyota]

Keller gave the main event ***** also, I see.From the looks of Meltzer's description he felt the same.

So.

Err. What do you mean by "so"?I was making an observation, not trying to imply anything.

I'm just referring to the fact that so many people seem to take the words of Meltzer and keller as gospel.I personally agree that the main event was legendary but if they both thought it sucked a dick, I wouldn't bat an eyelid.

I don't take it as gospel, but I respect both journalists. If you don't fair enough, many do though. Including most in the business.

I hate when people put words in my mouth....I didn't say that I don't respect Meltzer and Keller, I in fact think that they are superior commentators on the subject of wrestling, but I just took exception to the way in which you referenced them to back up your point that the main event was good.

You claim I put words into your mouth, yet you just done the exact same.I did not mention Keller or Meltzer's opinions to back up anything. Perhaps you're confusing me with someone else.I made an observation about Meltzer and Keller. It had no implications.I don't recall reading anyone before me saying the match was not *****. If they did I didn't notice it and my post was not as a response.

[Guest manami_toyota]

If you didn't get goosebumps when Benoit and Eddie hugged in the ring with tears in there eyes, then what the hell kind of wrestling fan are you?

So true.

[Jaffa]

I was a bit gutted at the overuse of roll-ups,schoolboys,inside cradles e.t.c and felt like some of the matches were rushed, but Wrestlemania XX was everything I had hoped for and the finish with Benoit was perfect.Roll on Wrestlemania 21- Where it continues.....again.

[Heatseeker]

There appear to be some people who didn't enjoy this show. (Interestingly, the type of people who sit by a computer while watching WrestleMania.)People who didn't enjoy this show should stop watching WWE right now. Seriously. Don't waste your time.

Correctamondo!Anyway....Mania came and went....I enjoyed the show...really tired during it from a crappy day at work...so that may have had a little effect on my enjoyment of some of the matches.Loved Undertaker's new look, dispite what anyone on here says, he fucking rocks. Heenan was great all night and did anyone else think The King stepped up his game a bit last night? I was glad of not wanting to turn the volume down on the Raw matches...I did love Tazz and MC making the "puppies" joke.A great ending to the event, seeing tears from both men will not be forgotten in a long time. I loved the promo at the start with the 3 McMahons.I felt it was a good night overall...I'm not going to go into silly star ratings though.

[Porn Baron]

First due to not having Sky Sports ive not seen it.Reading Reports most of the matches read like crap.Benoit winning is awesome and the best booking in ages. Just hope they give him a run with the belt.

[Wez]

not a bad WrestleMania to be honest.no it didn't live up to the hype but it wasn't all bad.i thought that Jericho v Christian was where it started to feel like a WM though.when Trish got involved in the match i initially thought heel turn and expected an Elizabeth/Savage embrace, but the turn had me marking out uttering 'bitch' at the telly.RVD.....how far has his star fallen.enough said.Lesnar and Goldberg.....where it was very interesting.the crowd, to me, ruined this match.i thought the chants sucked the life out of both men.really, who could be arsed putting on a show in front of a crowd to be treated like that. Lesnar's double flip to the crowd looked as real and heartfelt as it could get.was never expecting much from these guys but the passion was not there.thank you smart fans for your ignorance.Cruiserweight? near fell off the sofa when Ultimo near went on his arse.thought it was an okay match.nothing too special in it.seemed very hollow in places and let's face it, the cruiserweights will never be over now.Evening Gown match? Miss Jackie looked great.standard T&A fare though.Victoria/Molly? glad to see a stip honoured and boy did Victoria look stunning.Eddie and Kurt? slow builder definitely then turned into a solid, well paced match with a finisher that was startling and funny at the same time.the crowd again got to be a bit smart for my liking in places.loved Eddie's 'Scarface' mock up t-shirt.Undertaker???? personally marked like a bitch when he came out.okay we didn't get the Taker we were expecting but the cross between 'Bad Ass' and 'Dead Man' was okay.i think the 'Dead Man' is more a mindset/psychology now than an actual look.the camera angle in which Taker first made his appearance was fuckin' amazing.as a match i thought it was over too quick, not as good as WM14 by any shot but had the desired effect.it's gonna be good to see where they go from here with Taker.Triple H/HBK/Benoit.words cannot describe how good this was.this was a true WM main event if there was ever one.Trips selling like never before,the blood,the action and the finish.....bliss.the embrace between Benoit and Guerrero had a tear in my eye.not a bad WM but could have been a lot better.

[Guest Michael Ballack]

Highs:-Benoit wins!Eddie retains!NY crowds!Sable looking A1+Lows:-Rikishi/S2H retain Lesnar/Golderg not tearing it up in their last matchCruisers match rather poorLOL moment of the evening:-Ultimo Dragon slipping... twice... within 10 seconds

[Guest kidrock7235769]

Where was the new WWE logo?

I am pretty much expect it to be unveiled tonight on Raw. Thats what i think anyway.