Well, I was wrong about you...

[Merzbow]

I always loved Nash, even inherited the hair flip from him (when I had hair..) but yeah there's been a definite turn around on him from a fair few in recent years.

[Carbomb]

6 hours ago, DavidB6937 said:

And that's part of the reason why I hate the "losing = jobbing" rhetoric that a lot of people throw around. It's too black and white for a pre-determined sport. Being defeated doesn't have to be a bad thing. It's not just about wins and losses (as AEW have realised with trying and failing with their rankings really) but how it happens too. Create a memorable match or moment and the result itself often becomes meaningless.

 

2 hours ago, BomberPat said:

It goes both ways - losing doesn't have to be "jobbing", but also losing to someone isn't always "putting them over". There are ways to lose that protect the heat and credibility of the loser, and there are ways to lose that do nothing to benefit the winner either. Wins and losses obviously matter, but not on their own - it's all about the execution, and as often as not, the follow-up. 

First match that comes to mind these days when the topic comes up is Lesnar's return match against Cena at Extreme Rules. Cena won, but Lesnar looked like an absolute monster who got too cocky.

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18 hours ago, Shane O' Mac Version 2 said:

Only saw a handful of Nakamura matches pre-WWE (was never massively into NJPW and just caught a couple of the Wrestle Kingdoms back then when they started adding more English commentary). One of those WKs had Nakamura vs. Styles though, and I was impressed. Then he came to WWE/NXT and had a classic with Sami Zayn.

Then immediately after that amazing debut, he just seemed to switch off. Happy to do his signature spots and collect a paycheck. Some people raved about his NXT run- I thought everything he did firmly sat at the 3 snowflake territory at best, and obviously he was never going to wow with his promos or segments.

It's especially frustrating getting a glimpse of how great he was, but then he decided to not give a fuck in a flash. At least he has fun surfing in America. Good for him.

Turning up and doing your signiture spots is a big part of being a bigger name in Japan. He, like most wrestlers at his level, would wrestle in multiman tag matches, do his spots, often get the pin and rarely take the pin. He would do singles during a G1 and some shows may have had him headline in a IC title match so maybe 20 singles matches at a push per year. 

I'm not surprised in the slightest what has become of Nakamura. 

[air_raid]

To be fair, having to lose to Jinder probably eliminated any spark he had left.