Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted January 12, 2019 Paid Members Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) Saturday 9th February (Sunday 10th if youâre Down Under) the UFC returns to Melbourne, Australia with UFC 234.  PPV MAIN CARDRobert Whittaker vs Kelvin Gastelum - Middleweight Title Israel Adesanya vs Anderson Silva Rani Yahya vs Ricky Simon Montana De La Rosa vs Nadia Kassem Sam Alvey vs Jim Crute  ESPN PRELIMSDevonte Smith vs Dong Hyun Ma Austin Arnett vs Shane Young Kai Kara-France vs Raulian Paiva Teruto Ishihara vs Kyung Ho Kang  FIGHT PASS PRELIMSLando Vannata vs Marcos Rosa Mariano Jalin Turner vs Callan Potter Wuliji Buren vs Jonathan Martinez  OK. Top two fights aside, Michael Bisping might describe this as âweak as pissâ. Itâs not the strongest PPV lineup, is it? Take the main event off and thatâs a Fight Night in Brazil or China or wherever. Thereâs some stuff worth your time if you dig deeper though, and maybe thereâll be something added still yet. Although itâs getting late in the day for that now. Robert Whittaker vs Kelvin Gastelum then. Feels like a fucking lifetime since this fight was first announced but weâre nearly there now. Hopefully Whittaker actually makes it through camp safe and sound this time. Heâs had a shitter with injuries and illnesses the last couple of years. Awful timing and itâs really hurt his title reign. Whittaker was the welterweight winner of TUF: The Smashes back in 2012. But he had an up and down initial run in the UFC post-TUF. He went 3-2 as a welterweight before moving up to 185 in 2014. Turned out to be a wise move as he hasnât lost since. Heâs gone 8-0 as a middleweight and in 2017 he really upped his game, knocking out Jacare Souza in a fight nobody expected him to win. Then he beat Yoel Romero to become interim champ. The title was then upgraded from interim to undisputed status when GSP won the belt from Bisping and swiftly vacated it. Robert Whittaker was now officially the undisputed middleweight champion. Kelvin Gastelum also won TUF, just 4 months after Whittaker, in April 2013. He also bounced between 170 and 185 but had a series of weight misses at 170 and a couple of close decision losses so in 2016 he jumped to middleweight and has stayed there since. He battered Tim Kennedy and Vitor Belfort, had a loss to Chris Weidman in there which briefly halted his progress. Then in November 2017 he scored his most impressive win to date. Brutally knocking out Michael Bisping in a round in Shanghai. Unfortunately, due to injuries and other commitments, both men only fought once in 2018. Gastelum took on Jacare at UFC 224 in May. It was a great fight and a close one. Both hurt each other and had success but Gastelum walked away with a decision. In June at UFC 225, Whittaker rematched Yoel Romero. One of the best fights of 2018 for me. They broke the record for most significant strikes landed in a middleweight title fight. Whittaker took some hellacious punishment here and gutted it out to take another hard fought and razor close points victory. He broke his hand in the first round and continued to throw it for the next four. Hard as nails. And hereâs them âother commitmentsâ I was on about. This fight probably wouldâve happened a few months ago but they were tied up with coaching TUF for a big chunk of the second half of the year. Iâm a big fan of both of these as fighters but as TUF coaches, the pairing did nothing for me and it mightâve been the first season of TUF where I never saw even a single second of it. This is what we want though. Fuck TUF. Get them in there and let them loose. Should be a brilliant fight this. Whittaker has gone further than I ever expected him to and heâs earned every bit of it. Iâll be rooting for him here. But Gastelum is an animal. Especially at 185. Whittaker vs Gastelum promo; Donât have a clue how this one goes. Like, not even a gut feeling. The only thing Iâm pretty certain of is that itâs going to be an amazing fight.  Israel Adesanya vs Anderson Silva is a strange one. I canât even really picture it in my head. Itâs got that new breed vs old school thing plus Dana White has confirmed that theyâve offered Anderson a title shot if he wins this. The whole thing seems a bit barmy but Iâm looking forward to it all the same. Obviously, Anderson Silva is one of the greatest of all time. Itâs all gone sour the last few years when USADA came knocking and caught him unawares. Twice. But that was just dick pills. As Anderson says, âIs normalâ. He was fucking phenomenal to watch in his prime though. Mostly. Weâll forget the Patrick Cote and Thales Leites snoozers, shall we? And definitely the Demian Maia farce in Abu Dhabi. The good far outweighed the bad when Andy was at his best. He had a style and swagger unlike anyone else when he first walked through the Octagon doors back in 2006 and obliterated Chris Leben. His run after that was ridiculous. Took the title from Rich Franklin and kneed his nose off. Then it was Lutter, Marquardt, Franklin again. Unified the UFC and Pride belts by submitting Hendo. Then it was Irvin, Cote, Leites. Then he took Forrest Griffinâs soul. Then it was Maia, the epic comeback vs Sonnen. Kicked Belfortâs face into the bleachers. Then Okami, Sonnen 2, Bonnar. Just a mental run of performances. For years he had the record for most title defences before Mighty Mouse snapped it. But like anything else, the ride has to stop somewhere. The two Chris Weidman fights in 2013 were where it all came crumbling down. Knocked out in the first fight, noodle leg in the rematch. Then USADA got him after the Diaz fight. Losses to Bisping in a great fight and Cormier in a shite one. A questionable points win over Derek Brunson was his last fight. That was a year ago now. Anderson will be 44 in April and heâs now 1-4-1 in his last 6 fights. The prime is over. And Danaâs already got a younger model lined up. Israel Adesanya is 29 years old, heâs Nigerian/Kiwi and has an absolute shitload of fights already. In Kickboxing alone he was 75-5-1 as a pro, 32-0 as an amateur. Then he has a 5-1 Boxing record and is 15-0 in MMA. So 134 fights combined! He went 11-0 with 11 knockouts in his first 11 MMA fights. Most notably a first round stoppage over ex UFC vet Melvin Guillard. The UFC came calling and he made his debut on last Februaryâs UFC 221 card. He had a busy 2018, fighting 4 times. He finished Rob Wilkinson in his debut and decisioned Marvin Vettori in April. In June he was put in his first 5 round UFC main event against Brad Tavares. Adesanya handled it and won comfortably. Didnât seem to feel any type of pressure from being thrust into the spotlight so quickly. Guess the experience of 100+ fights will do that for you. I think Iâve said before but I wasnât really on the Adesanya hype train at this point. Heâd looked good but I wasnât losing my shit like nearly everyone else seemed to be. He was booked against Derek Brunson on Novemberâs UFC 230 PPV at Madison Square Garden. Undoubtedly the toughest test of his MMA career so far. Brunson had been in with the likes of Anderson Silva, Yoel Romero, Lyoto Machida, Robert Whittaker, Jacare, Uriah Hall and Lorenz Larkin. And as a good wrestler, I really thought he might be kryptonite for a striker like Adesanya. Both talked shit in the buildup. Especially Brunson. He kept saying Adesanya was too skinny and âbuilt like a senior citizenâ. Adesanya wrecked him in a round. His toughest test and he made it his easiest nightâs work in the UFC yet. Iâm still not ready to say heâs going to be the champ or anything. Thereâs a lot of beasts at 185. But Iâm much more of a believer than I was thatâs for sure. The Stylebender vs The Spider promo; Not sure what this will look like. I expect Adesanya to win but what kind of fight itâll be is anyoneâs guess. Depends what Anderson shows up, I guess. If heâs up for this and motivated, which he should be given the title shot carrot, then you never know. Heâs crafty and still not someone you want to fuck about with. If Adesanya tries to do his showboating here he could get tagged. But the same is true in reverse. Weird one.  And this is where the card drops off massively... Wuliji Buren vs Jonathan Martinez is just there. Maybe this wonât end up on the main card, maybe it will. MMAJunkie has it listed third from top so Iâll roll with that. Could be decent but Iâm not going to blag you that Iâm excited about this one. Buren is Chinese, 28 years old, nicknamed âThe Beastmasterâ, 9-5 record and has lost his last 2. Martinez is 24 with a 9-2 record and lost his last fight against Andre Soukhamthath. Surely this will end up on Fight Pass? Both coming off losses, neither are names, both nowhere near being contenders, neither are what youâd call a prospect. I could maybe see the logic if one of them was Australian just to whack a local on there but theyâre not. No reason a fight like this should be on a PPV main card in 2018. Especially when real prospects like Curtis Millender and Aleksandar Rakic are usually on Fight Pass.  I know itâs slim pickings but Kai Kara-France vs Raulian Paiva is my ***WANDâS ONE TO WATCH*** on this card. I am looking forward to this. I think Kai Kara-France looks promising. Heâs 25, from New Zealand, 18-7-1 record. Really good striking. Beat Elias Garcia in his UFC debut. Paiva is Brazilian, 23 years old with a 17-1 record. Mostly decisions. Paiva has a really sad story. He fought on Danaâs Contender Series and signed with the UFC in August. But in October he and his girlfriend were at a party in Brazil and they left after some cunts were harassing his girlfriend and trying to fight him. They left on Paivaâs motorcycle and the men chased them in a car and hit them. Paiva got away with minor injuries, his girlfriend was left in a coma and died 6 days later. Proper sad story. Canât root against him after reading about it. As much as Kara-France was what initially drew me to this fight, Paivaâs story makes me want him to win now. Canât imagine the horrible few months heâs had.  Montana De La Rosa vs Nadia Kassem is a fight between two women who I could see possibly being contenders in a couple of years. De La Rosa was on TUF, sheâs 23 years old, 9-4 with 7 submissions. She submitted Rachael Ostovich at the TUF finale. Not the best of records but when you look at who sheâs lost to you see Nicco Montano, Cynthia Calvillo and Mackenzie Dern who have all done well in the UFC. Sheâs got some skills on the ground from what Iâve seen and at 23 sheâs got some time. Kassem is also 23, sheâs Australian and unbeaten at 5-0 with 4 KO/TKOs. Her first 4 fights lasted just over 2 minutes combined. Her first 3 all ended in 26 seconds or less! She went to points in her UFC debut in November 2017 against Alex Chambers. I havenât actually seen her fight yet but Iâm intrigued. Regardless of the opposition, there arenât many 115lb women who are scoring sub-30 second knockouts.  Austin Arnett vs Shane Young...yeah, not arsed. Arnett is American, 16-5. Hasnât beat anyone that good and has lost anytime heâs gone in with someone decent. Young is Kiwi, 12-4. Nothing remarkable on his record, although he did go the distance with Volkanovski.  Teruto Ishihara vs Kyung Ho Kang should be an entertaining one for what it is. I quite like Ishihara. Heâs never going to climb far up the ladder, probably wonât ever get off the prelims, but heâs fun to watch in his little spot on the undercards. Bit of a Japanese Bruce Leroy. Heâs not much use though. Heâs lost 4 of his last 5 including defeats to a shot Gray Maynard and Artem Fucking Lobov! Not good. In his last fight, Petr Yan smashed him. Another loss here will probably be it for him, I reckon. And Kang will likely beat him and send him packing.  Rani Yahya vs Ricky Simon is one Iâll be keeping an eye on. Actually Iâm hoping this gets on the main card and they fuck Buren vs Martinez down to Fight Pass instead. Yahya deserves a higher spot on the card. Really underrated fighter and a tremendous grappler. Heâs won 7 of his last 8 and submitted his last 3 opponents. Heâs been around forever and fought everyone from KID Yamamoto to Gesias Cavalcante to Mark Hominick to Mike Brown. Really good fighter. Not sure if Iâve seen Ricky Simon, donât recall it, but heâs a solid 14-1 and won his last 7. Decent fight. Hope it at least makes the televised middle prelims.  Thatâs your lot, sheilas. Harold Bishop with the rear naked choke... Edited February 9, 2019 by wandshogun09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members ColinBollocks Posted January 12, 2019 Paid Members Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 For the sake of the division, I hope Gastelum batters Whittaker. Good fighter and that, but I've long moaned about how dull I tend to find Whittaker. The boy has all the charisma of a Poundland cotton dishcloth. Silva v Adesanya is the real main event, in my eyes. Despite clearly being on the slide and ruining his legacy with all the PED issues, it's fairly impossible not to get excited when you see Silva is fighting - he's the complete opposite of Whittaker. You imagine the winner of this gets the next title shot. It's a bit of a win win for the UFC, in that regard, because either they use what's left of Silva to boost Adesanya, or Silva gets one last crack at the title, which is an easy sell. I do hope Adesanya come out of this looking impressive, because he's the future and this will be huge for the old highlight reel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted January 12, 2019 Paid Members Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 that's not the PPV main card surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted January 12, 2019 Author Paid Members Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) Seems so, Egg. Seems so. Unless theyâre going to add something good last minute in the next week or so this is our lot. Suppose the bout order could change slightly but however they shuffle it up they donât have a great deal to work with. Best main card I can come up with out of that lot would be something like; Whittaker vs Gastelum Adesanya vs Silva Kara-France vs Paivan Yahya vs Simon Err...Crute vs Spann I mean, thereâs not much you can do. Below the top two fights it really is Fight Pass Fight Night stuff. Not terrible fights in themselves but it feels like a C-level card. Doesnât help that they just had a card in Australia last month so they used up most of the regular Aus card guys then like Tuivasa, Pedro etc and Volkanovski and Megan Anderson were on 232. If they had just a couple of them on this they could make a solid main card out of it. Edited January 12, 2019 by wandshogun09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted January 13, 2019 Paid Members Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 yeh, the Down Under regulars have all fought recently so there probably there isnt a lot they could have done in that regard. actually, whats Elvis Sinosic doing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Silky Kisser Posted January 13, 2019 Paid Members Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 The top 2 fights are fantastic but it's such a lop sided card. They need to dig up G-Sot and Tony Perosh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted January 13, 2019 Author Paid Members Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 Fucking hell. Sinosic, Sotiropolous and Perosh. Three names Iâd completely forgotten about. Although anytime I do think of Perosh (it doesnât happen often), StubHubâs utter fail here is the first image that pops into my head; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted January 13, 2019 Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 I may be the only person here who has absolutely zero interest in seeing the Adesanya vs Silva fight. Silva is 43 years old and currently sitting at 1-4-1 in the last 5 years. If this was Anderson vs Nick Diaz then yeah, I'd be interested, but he's going up against someone who's 15-0 and in their prime. It's a fight that really shouldn't be getting made, and when Adesanya wins via stoppage we'll no doubt hear the commentary team lay it on thick about how he "beat Anderson Silva!!!" as if it's some sort of big shock or something. Silva is a reflex and speed fighter who's reflexes have dulled with age and who isn't fast anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimufctna24 Posted January 13, 2019 Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 57 minutes ago, wandshogun09 said: StubHubâs utter fail here is the first image that pops into my head; His ears are burning: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted January 13, 2019 Paid Members Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 40 minutes ago, David said: I may be the only person here who has absolutely zero interest in seeing the Adesanya vs Silva fight. Silva is 43 years old and currently sitting at 1-4-1 in the last 5 years. If this was Anderson vs Nick Diaz then yeah, I'd be interested, but he's going up against someone who's 15-0 and in their prime. It's a fight that really shouldn't be getting made, and when Adesanya wins via stoppage we'll no doubt hear the commentary team lay it on thick about how he "beat Anderson Silva!!!" as if it's some sort of big shock or something. Silva is a reflex and speed fighter who's reflexes have dulled with age and who isn't fast anymore. The thing that could be interesting about it is that Adesanya may go out of his way to try and out-Silva him if that makes any sense. I think Adesanya will try to show he's an improved and updated version of the Silva, such confidence could get him in trouble but i dont think it will. I quite like the fight. Silva's still an attraction so it'll be a treat for the Australian fans and it has that boxing feel where a real prospect is fed an ageing veteran to get their name on their record, it isn't for everyone but i like it. I think a big win sets up Adesanya to fight the winner of the main event too, imagine if Adesanya & Whitaker wins? that sets up the biggest domestic clash in the regions history. Fans down there went mental recently for a boxing mis-match beteen Jeff Horn & Anthony Mundine imagine how they'll react to Adesanya/Whitaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted January 13, 2019 Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Egg Shen said: The thing that could be interesting about it is that Adesanya may go out of his way to try and out-Silva him if that makes any sense. I think Adesanya will try to show he's an improved and updated version of the Silva, such confidence could get him in trouble but i dont think it will. What he'll more than likely prove is that he's a younger, quicker fighter, which isn't hard when you're facing a guy who's almost 44 years old. If this was Silva in his prime I'd be all over it, but it's not, so I'm not. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted January 13, 2019 Paid Members Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 that's fair enough, you're not the only one that feels that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted January 13, 2019 Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 There's a lot of fans who feel sorry for Silva, for some reason, as if he's been forced into taking this fight, or forced to even fight at all. I don't feel sorry for him, he's walking into this for financial gain and possibly under the misguided belief that he's still got a run in him. I just think it'll either be a bit of a shitfest, with both fighters cutting angles, posing, waving their arms around and shit like that, or it'll end with Anderson being stopped after looking slow and old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members ColinBollocks Posted January 13, 2019 Paid Members Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 Silva has that GOAT ego. You don't get to be as good as he was without being somewhat possessed by an insane level of self-belief. It's why we had to see the corpse of BJ Penn get picked apart over the last few years. 100% he fancies he still has another run in him. Plus, the story is the UFC are giving him another title shot if he wins this. If you're Silva, once possessing an undeniable level of greatness, you'd probably fancy it too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted January 13, 2019 Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ColinBollocks said: If you're Silva, once possessing an undeniable level of greatness, you'd probably fancy it too. If I'm Silva I've been retired since the fight with Diaz four years ago, and now spend my time doing seminars, living the good life and enjoying my health and wealth. At best I'd drop in the possibility of a comeback if the numbers were right, and would consider another fight against someone with a name and who's on a similar standing in their career. Basically, I'd come back for another Diaz fight. Edited January 13, 2019 by David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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