There's something strange about seeing a discussion on whether UKFF has improved now there is less puro/indie elitism in a thread on Best Off-Topic
Poster although I suppose the argument is that said style of elitism also followed over to Off-Topic "back in the day" as well. So maybe it does make sense in the sense of looking down on mainstream music/entertainment/politics/etc.
that's true then I'd be inclined to agree that it's good people can admit to liking the stuff they like, even if it is popular with the general public. However...
PunkStep - Reading this, I first discovered UKFF around the same time as you did back in Spring 2002 - IIRC after Mo mentioned it in PowerSlam. Although I didn't start reading it regularly until a year later (the week of WrestleMania XIX) and didn't start posting until a few months after that.
It's funny because, not that you are 'wrong' but its just interesting to me, one of the reasons I started posting here was the opposite. That it didn't
look like it had that "ROH is the best thing ever" vibe that other forums did.
Or at least what I imagined other forums might look like.
Never was a big forum guy before - always stuck to the news sites - a few years before back when I was at uni the only ones I knew were Wrestling Classics, DVDVR and Kayfabe Memories but didn't really post much/at all at any of them. Oh, and teletext and the comments section on WWF.com as well. No idea what any of those places are like now but they didn't really see that many people who fit that stereotype either. Maybe the truth is the super smarky smark never actually existed?
Who says it's on its arse? Some of the bitter old guard, upset that SiMania & Terje Rindal aren't populating the thread with posts about how superior Puro is?
I'm pretty sure Terje's favourite wrestler is Bret Hart, and I don't think Simania has ever made any kind of puro elitist post ever.
It's Randy Savage
. Wouldn't normally like to speak on behalf of someone else, especially when said person doesn't seem to post here much/at all anymore but Terje might be the only person I've come across who loves the Macho Man more than I do.
He did make a great case for Bret Hart being the "Best Wrestler of All Time" a few years back which is still one of the better posts I've read. Know he wrote a big defense for Steve Austin in that which someone on here saved (unless it's in Gold?) because I've seen people quote him on it years later and was a fan/defender Kevin Nash as well. That said, I do remember him translating a few things from Japanese (something Carbomb later did).
Despite the face I must have read a bunch of his posts over the years I honestly couldn't tell you anything Simania said about puro. All I remember is that he plays rugby and likes Hardcore Holly and was pimping Bradshaw before it was 'cool'. Or as cool as it can be to support any wrestler.
I'm also surprised anyone hates JLM.
Oh, and I don't think the forum's on it's arse or dying or whatever. People have always said stuff like that and it's always silliness. I just felt those digs at Terje and Simania were very wide of the mark. I think there's too much emphasis on trying to stamp out elitism that doesn't actually exist.
I remember people saying it in 2003, so yeah for something that's "dying" UKFF is doing pretty well for itself.
I voted Gladstone but there are a number of worthy people on here.
2011 has probably been my favourite year on the UKFF by far. Both On and Off Topic have had their share of great threads and there are so many good posters that make this place part of my everyday routine.
Can't speak about Off-Topic but On has had some good stuff this year, yeah.
This place is cracking, I think the decent posters spilling over from TWCF helped.
Agree with that bit. There were a few times around 2004-05 where it seemed like there were hundreds of people coming over from The Wrestling Channel. As much moaning as there was on here at the time it did give the forum a different 'feel'.
Just loads and loads of new posters, a lot of them from TWC's forum. Some of them stuck around and became some of the more prominent posters on here. Some of them were never heard from again. By 2006 there was a really good mix between them and 'UKFF Originals' from the 97-03 days.
You know Dearly Devoted Dexter? Well when I first came on here, everyone was like that. The feeling was that WWE was bad, Triple H was a massive cunt and RoH was the best thing since a 'Jerry Brisco/Dory Funk classic'.
Re. WWE being 'bad' - The main criticism of WWE I saw on here (at least in 2003-04) was the booking, rather than the quality of talent. I think even back then even the smarkiest of fans would have admitted that they had some quality names on the roster.
Funnily enough, one of the criticisms of ROH I remember from the time was that it was a "fake" version of Old School wrestling. Not saying that applies to current ROH (which I haven't seen) but at the time it was indeed compared to old school territories/World of Sport and that comparison was as often used as a knock on it / that they'd "missed the point" of those things as it was a compliment.
And you shit on people who used to love ROH but then Punk and Danielson are two of the most high profile wrestlers in the World right now and AJ Styles, Samoa Joe and Paul London all went on to do really well for themselves in WWE/TNA so surely they must have been decent. I don't like the Indy stuff much myself but ROH was always a cut above.
Christopher Daniels, Brian Kendrick, Evan Bourne and Low-Ki as well. All did or are doing well in the Big Two or the major Japanese companies. Even if I'm not an indie wrestling fan nowadays or wasn't even a fan of the way ROH was booked back when I did watch it, I agree they had some incredible talent over the years.