Paid Members Psygnosis Posted August 10, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted August 10, 2011 Give Sangat TV an award - one camera, one van and two journalists have done better reporting than the BBC or Sky put together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Kaz Hayashi Posted August 10, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted August 10, 2011 (edited) Why the hell i have waited until now to voice my daft opinion, i dont know. Feel free to ignore, its only pointing out the obvious and my arse hurts from sitting on this big spikey fence    To be honest, in terms of 'Scum or Poor', i didn't realise it wasn't 'a bit of both'.  From the footage i have seen on TV, there seem's to be a mixture of 'people sick of being at the bottom of society' and simply 'Lets go and smash some shite up'. From what i have read on here, it seem's that some people are trying to say that it's one way or the other. "They are all scum".. or.. "No, they are just poor".  I think smashing up peoples homes and businesses is pretty pathetic and the rest of society have the right to label you as 'scum'. At the same time, there is blatently an issue with the reasoning for taking to the streets in anger in the first place. Its clear that the majority of people causing problems are from deprived areas, its an uprising that has been allowed to happen. On top of that, its clealy obvious that there is a large selection of opportunistic people wanting some free stuff and want to kick off because, who's going to stop them.  The thing with David Cameron. Yes he was away, why the fuck was Clegg not available to make decissions then? (i know the humorous obvious answer) but seriously, whay the hell is a back up plan not in place for this kind of thing? especially when you have a vice PM! Hypothetically, if these riots, were in fact some form of 'terrorist attack', would it be acceptable that measures wern't in order for such a situation? If Cameron was on holiday, would everyone be happy if fuck all happened and neither he, nor Clegg commented on the situation until 3-4 days later?  Reality is, this could have been sorted on night one, the vast majority of users on here seem to have agreed with that point earlier in the thread. Its the Governments fault that it didn't get sorted quickly, simple as that. Im not saying 'shoot everyone', because that is fucking mental, what i am saying is the clear point that there was clearly not enough coppers... the ARMY, NAVY, ANYONE who could add numbers to the police force SHOULD have been drafted in on night one not when its too late.  I have no idea why they wern't drafted in on night one, if that has been explained, sorry, i missed it. The only thing i could think of is that either, the government didn't want to make the call as they thought that the rioting would be over after the first night, or, they didn't want to make the call and decided to wait for Cameron to do so, after all, it would be on his head.  That last line is the main problem in my opinion, the government are too scared to make the call because they know they will be accountable in the aftermath. So they should be, but if you can't handle that kind of pressue, you should not be 'IN CHARGE OF A COUNTRY'. End of Rant.   Anyway, yeah completlely agree with the above posts, bar one or two complete bell ends who just love their fishing, its been a brilliant thread with some amazing info and debates. Its a shame its because of something as horrible as the riots. If only wrestling was as popular as riots.. ah well! Edited August 10, 2011 by Kaz Hayashi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Pitcos Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 1707: The BBC apologises for a live interview on its news channel - broadcast on Tuesday - in which presenter Fiona Armstrong accused guest Darcus Howe of taking part in riots. The Corporation said it had not intended to show him any disrespect. Here's the exchange between Mr Howe - a writer and presenter - and Ms Armstrong:  Armstrong: "You are not a stranger to riots yourself I understand, are you? You have taken part in them yourself."  Howe: "I have never taken part in a single riot. I've been part of demonstrations that ended up in a conflict. Stop accusing me of being a rioter and have some respect for an old West Indian Negro, because you wanted for me to get abusive. You just sound idiotic - have some respect." For all I know, he may well be a bit of a coco shunter too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buba3d Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 (edited) deleted Edited August 10, 2011 by buba3d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeg_&_The_Heads Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Thinking about other solutions what could help with the younger ones anyway. Â What about having victims of crime come into school to give a talk about how crime ruined their life plus maybe even school trip to a prison and have some of the prisoners talk to them and show them their future if they decide to take up a life of crime even if it only discourages a small percentage of the ones who may of been heading that way it would be worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members FLips Posted August 10, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted August 10, 2011 the jokes just keep flooding in Here they come, Running down the street, With the latest t.v, And a 3 piece suite,  Hey, hey its the monkeys  Wish we had a dam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King Of Swing Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 (edited) Yeah a great and very informative thread all around.  Hundreds of people across London got together and arranged to clear areas up before Dave managed to utter a single word in public about the situation. That's not 'having the bollocks to deal with the situation'. That's waiting for photo opportunities before doing anything about it.  Spot on, hearing "call me Dave" talking tough now while as far as I know he still won't officially class the events as riots is nausiating.  Anyway even though we have almost certainly seen the worst of the current situation you have to worry about what lies down the road especially when Government cuts finally start to really hit people. Edited August 10, 2011 by The King Of Swing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Kaz Hayashi Posted August 10, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted August 10, 2011 Thinking about other solutions what could help with the younger ones anyway. What about having victims of crime come into school to give a talk about how crime ruined their life plus maybe even school trip to a prison and have some of the prisoners talk to them and show them their future if they decide to take up a life of crime even if it only discourages a small percentage of the ones who may of been heading that way it would be worth it.   Why not, i didn't realise that didn't already happpen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators neil Posted August 10, 2011 Moderators Share Posted August 10, 2011 the jokes just keep flooding in Here they come, Running down the street, With the latest t.v, And a 3 piece suite,  Hey, hey its the monkeys Don't anyone post shite like this again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeg_&_The_Heads Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 (edited) Have the riots died down because of then Police because they were bored or because they had already looted pretty much everything worth nicking? Edited August 10, 2011 by Smeg_&_The_Heads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buba3d Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 sorry neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King Of Swing Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Have the riots died down because of then Police because they were bored or because they had already looted pretty much everything worth nicking? Â Combination of those two I would say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurryAngel Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Personally, I'd guess it's the former. The police would still be outnumbered and it's not like much notice was being taken of them by the animals to be honest. Â And, I just want to echo the statements on the quality of the thread. I even liked Whiskey1s post by and large. I think in a few months time a lot of his suggestions will generate a positive response on here. Â It does bug me when people seemingly read textbooks on sociology and believe you can apply the same rules to every situation. But apart from that it's been a pleasure to read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 (edited) I don't wish to discuss the sociological/political side of this any further to be honest, because as bobbins said, although there are some on here who can engage in constructive discussion there are also a number who fail to be able to. I will stand by the fact that to ignore the factors leading up to this situation is incredibly short-sighted and will only do more harm than good in the long term. Also, I think that most of you are aware of where I am coming from on this issue - even if you don't agree with me. Â As far as short-term solutions, which I have been asked about several times, I did post more than one suggestion. My main suggestion was to increase police numbers, which was done in London last night (not directly from my personal recommendation, I should add) and seemed to significantly quell the trouble there. Unfortunately other cities also experienced trouble - including Nottingham, where I live, where I witnessed hostility and vandalism from a number of youths. Again I will stress that I do not condone violence towards others or damage to others property and I was personally very angry at what I saw, and such blatant disregard for the safety of others. I understand that others are extremely angry also and that this anger will manifest in different ways and there will be many suggested solutions to quelling the trouble. Â I also mentioned water cannons, however given the changing nature of the riots and the fact that few fires were set in London last night (which can be the dual purpose of a water cannon), and the fact that these are not large groups of people confined to one area, I now believe that this would not be of any help. I also strongly disagree with the use of baton rounds which can cause great injury and even fatalities, especially considering the young age of those involved. Edited August 10, 2011 by Whiskey1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spurs 4 life Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Whiskey do you not think half the problem you have faced in this thread is you waded in straight away with the politics whilst Tottenham was still burning? Â That's not a dig by the way just a theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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