Boxing Thread

[mikey]

Are you kidding me on? Haye has been running his mouth for months. It doesn't matter that he "sold the fight" - he is not a promo guy. See, this is the problem with wrestling fans. Haye should be embarrassed by the way he's conducted himself. He didn't have the tools to back up his ludicrous bravado and lost quite convincingly on the night. He has also further disgraced himself by blaming the loss on a relatively superficial injury.

 

I fail to see how Wlad can be considered a bigger cock than Haye in this circumstance.

 

What I am saying is that Wlad was fairly graceless in victory, talking down his opponent, which flies in the face of the idea that he's classy. He's a boxer, it's the dirtiest and sleaziest of sports and both men made enough from Saturday night to support themselves for a long time.

[David]

Are you kidding me on? Haye has been running his mouth for months. It doesn't matter that he "sold the fight" - he is not a promo guy. See, this is the problem with wrestling fans. Haye should be embarrassed by the way he's conducted himself. He didn't have the tools to back up his ludicrous bravado and lost quite convincingly on the night. He has also further disgraced himself by blaming the loss on a relatively superficial injury.

 

I fail to see how Wlad can be considered a bigger cock than Haye in this circumstance.

 

At what point does that make him a hater? He thought (as did I) that Haye wouldn't have a shot, and in what circumstances was Haye not shit?

I wouldn't bother too much with Mikey's comments. He was big on Haye winning the fight, or at least putting in a good showing, neither of which happened.

 

He's also got a cheek to talk about "haters", especially since he's spent the past few months talking negatively about Wladimir in this thread, and insists on continuing to do so.

 

Wladimir has come out of this looking like a total professional, giving Haye the little respect he deserves in this situation, whilst Haye has made a total arse of himself.

Edited July 4, 2011 by David

[Patrick "Madman" Kelly]

I'd be surprised If this did actually did 1.2 million buys. I work at Sky and when I left at 2.30am on Sat morning the buys were at about 130,000 however that may have been for that days intake. I'll probably find out the number later today and let u guys know what it is.

 

As for the fight itself well it showed that Haye lacks the substance to back up the style. He is of the Ricky Hatton bracket of being a very good fighter but will never be a great one as tip fighters have exposed them. It also showed how insecure the fucker is. He couldn't get that boot off quick enough to show everyone his broken little toe. it was a pretty pathetic and classless showing that he couldn't just accept that he was the lesser fighter on the night

 

I'd be surprised If this did actually did 1.2 million buys. I work at Sky and when I left at 2.30am on Sat morning the buys were at about 130,000 however that may have been for that days intake. I'll probably find out the number later today and let u guys know what it is.

 

As for the fight itself well it showed that Haye lacks the substance to back up the style. He is of the Ricky Hatton bracket of being a very good fighter but will never be a great one as tip fighters have exposed them. It also showed how insecure the fucker is. He couldn't get that boot off quick enough to show everyone his broken little toe. it was a pretty pathetic and classless showing that he couldn't just accept that he was the lesser fighter on the night

[David]

As for the fight itself well it showed that Haye lacks the substance to back up the style. He is of the Ricky Hatton bracket of being a very good fighter but will never be a great one as tip fighters have exposed them.

Christ, don't compare Haye to Hatton. At least Hatton came to fight, and he was beaten by the two best pound for pound fighters of his era.

 

He also gave respect, and recieved respect in return. Losing to both Manny & Mayweather is no shame.

[Van Dammer]

What did Haye actually say or do that was that bad? I dont recall comments about the Klitschko's old dear or anything sinister like that.

[wandshogun09]

On the fight, it was pretty good. Better than I expected going in. Wlad was just too much for Haye. Like most of Klitschko's opposition he couldn't find an answer for that big jab and Wlad was pretty much picking him off with the old one two. Haye went for it a bit in the 12th but I'd have liked to have seen him try that from around the 9th or 10th. Too little too late.

 

The broken toe thing came off as poor sportsmanship to me. His toe did look fucked but bringing that up made him look worse imo. One broken toe wouldn't be the entire reason he lost, he'd have been better off just saying 'yeah I lost, I'll come back stronger...' or whatever.

 

hGood fight though and the atmosphere was amazing. Liked the little mind games from Haye making him wait and stuff.

On the fight, it was pretty good.

Good fight though

Well i thought the fight was pretty shite! How much of what Haye promised did he actually deliver?

 

Well I didn't go into it expecting Haye to batter Wlad and by Wlad's usual fighting style I wasn't expecting a Holyfield/Bowe type war. I went in with realistic expectations of the fight and enjoyed it for what is was. I never said it was a great fight or anything just good for what I expected. Different opinions.

 

I suppose the fact it only cost me

[Bus Surfer]

I'd be surprised If this did actually did 1.2 million buys. I work at Sky and when I left at 2.30am on Sat morning the buys were at about 130,000 however that may have been for that days intake. I'll probably find out the number later today and let u guys know what it is.

 

As for the fight itself well it showed that Haye lacks the substance to back up the style. He is of the Ricky Hatton bracket of being a very good fighter but will never be a great one as tip fighters have exposed them. It also showed how insecure the fucker is. He couldn't get that boot off quick enough to show everyone his broken little toe. it was a pretty pathetic and classless showing that he couldn't just accept that he was the lesser fighter on the night

the lesser fighter on the night

 

According to Sky's Twitter they were having problems processing an 'unprecedented' amount of last minute orders and Tweeted that fans should go to the pub.

[wandshogun09]

^ fancy encouraging boozing like that, no wonder this country is in the state its in

[denzel_maggiore]

I'd be surprised If this did actually did 1.2 million buys. I work at Sky and when I left at 2.30am on Sat morning the buys were at about 130,000 however that may have been for that days intake. I'll probably find out the number later today and let u guys know what it is.

 

As for the fight itself well it showed that Haye lacks the substance to back up the style. He is of the Ricky Hatton bracket of being a very good fighter but will never be a great one as tip fighters have exposed them. It also showed how insecure the fucker is. He couldn't get that boot off quick enough to show everyone his broken little toe. it was a pretty pathetic and classless showing that he couldn't just accept that he was the lesser fighter on the night

the lesser fighter on the night

 

According to Sky's Twitter they were having problems processing an 'unprecedented' amount of last minute orders and Tweeted that fans should go to the pub.

 

That excuse/reason is just as bad as Haye's broken toe.

 

Hopefully Patrick "Madman" Kelly will find out some info for us.

[Patrick "Madman" Kelly]

Trying to find out what the buys are and it's a but sketchy as there is no conclusive numbers here. Been told about 5 different numbers so far. I know the demand was that big that it crashed the systems so if anyone tried booking on the phone after 7pm they were knackered. That is why the fight was show. For free the following day which would have put a decent size dent in the numbers.

[Van Dammer]

Do that many people still order SBO stuff over the phone?

[jimufctna24]

Do that many people still order SBO stuff over the phone?

I do

 

For some reason I cant order through the TV, ordering over the phone is piss easy as well.

[David]

What did Haye actually say or do that was that bad? I dont recall comments about the Klitschko's old dear or anything sinister like that.

He never said anything out of line, it's simply the fact that he spent two fucking years talking about how he was going to knock Wladimir & Vitali out, and how he was much better than both of them, that they were both frauds and so on.

 

Now, that's all well & good. So long as you can at least come close to backing up what you say.

 

If Haye had went in there, and managed to rock Wladimir a few times, maybe knocked him down or something but lost the fight then I'm sure there would have been a lot of interest in a rematch.

 

As it was he went in and did fuck all, exept continually throw himself to the ground to try and get points taken away from Wladimir. Did the Sky Box Office commentary team mention the fact that Adam Booth (Haye's trainer) had spent most of the fighter information seminar the previous day going over & over the idea of Klitschko holding and pushing opponents around illegally with the referee? As one US commentator put it, when Klitschko got a point taken away it was a point won for Haye by Booth the previous day.

 

Top all of that off by him immediately taking his boot off after the decision was announced to show everyone his broken toe, and you have a pretty cringeworthy performance all round by Haye.

 

When you compare him to the last great heavyweight from these shores it really is sad. Lewis was a classy guy and a superb fighter. Haye's a moron.

[Van Dammer]

What did Haye actually say or do that was that bad? I dont recall comments about the Klitschko's old dear or anything sinister like that.

He never said anything out of line, it's simply the fact that he spent two fucking years talking about how he was going to knock Wladimir & Vitali out, and how he was much better than both of them, that they were both frauds and so on.

 

Now, that's all well & good. So long as you can at least come close to backing up what you say.

 

If Haye had went in there, and managed to rock Wladimir a few times, maybe knocked him down or something but lost the fight then I'm sure there would have been a lot of interest in a rematch.

 

As it was he went in and did fuck all, exept continually throw himself to the ground to try and get points taken away from Wladimir. Did the Sky Box Office commentary team mention the fact that Adam Booth (Haye's trainer) had spent most of the fighter information seminar the previous day going over & over the idea of Klitschko holding and pushing opponents around illegally with the referee? As one US commentator put it, when Klitschko got a point taken away it was a point won for Haye by Booth the previous day.

 

Top all of that off by him immediately taking his boot off after the decision was announced to show everyone his broken toe, and you have a pretty cringeworthy performance all round by Haye.

 

When you compare him to the last great heavyweight from these shores it really is sad. Lewis was a classy guy and a superb fighter. Haye's a moron.

 

Every boxer in history has said before a fight that hes the better man and he will win. Is Audley Harrison a moron for saying he would knock Haye out? Well maybe actually.

 

Booth didnt win Haye a point, Wladimir kept putting his arms over the top of Haye and pushed him down and even threw him on one occasion, he was rightly penalised.

 

It really annoys me that the British public automatically see anyone that loses in Sport as a failure, everytime an England team returns home trophyless its a 'debacle', everytime a boxers loses a fight hes a 'fraud' and every time any British team loses in Football, Rugby, Cricket etc they are seen as hopeless, despite them usually getting to finals and achieving more than most other teams.

 

Sport has to have a winner and a loser in most cases, David Haye hasnt got to where he is because hes a 'moron', hes beaten alot of guys and boxed very well in the process. He was beaten on Saturday by a very good boxer who by most peoples books boxed one of his best fights to date. Haye landed some good blows and so did Wlad and in the end Wladimir was the better fighter. No more, no less.

[Taylorslade]

What did Haye actually say or do that was that bad? I dont recall comments about the Klitschko's old dear or anything sinister like that.

He never said anything out of line, it's simply the fact that he spent two fucking years talking about how he was going to knock Wladimir & Vitali out, and how he was much better than both of them, that they were both frauds and so on.

 

Now, that's all well & good. So long as you can at least come close to backing up what you say.

 

If Haye had went in there, and managed to rock Wladimir a few times, maybe knocked him down or something but lost the fight then I'm sure there would have been a lot of interest in a rematch.

 

As it was he went in and did fuck all, exept continually throw himself to the ground to try and get points taken away from Wladimir. Did the Sky Box Office commentary team mention the fact that Adam Booth (Haye's trainer) had spent most of the fighter information seminar the previous day going over & over the idea of Klitschko holding and pushing opponents around illegally with the referee? As one US commentator put it, when Klitschko got a point taken away it was a point won for Haye by Booth the previous day.

 

Top all of that off by him immediately taking his boot off after the decision was announced to show everyone his broken toe, and you have a pretty cringeworthy performance all round by Haye.

 

When you compare him to the last great heavyweight from these shores it really is sad. Lewis was a classy guy and a superb fighter. Haye's a moron.

 

Every boxer in history has said before a fight that hes the better man and he will win. Is Audley Harrison a moron for saying he would knock Haye out? Well maybe actually.

 

Booth didnt win Haye a point, Wladimir kept putting his arms over the top of Haye and pushed him down and even threw him on one occasion, he was rightly penalised.

 

It really annoys me that the British public automatically see anyone that loses in Sport as a failure, everytime an England team returns home trophyless its a 'debacle', everytime a boxers loses a fight hes a 'fraud' and every time any British team loses in Football, Rugby, Cricket etc they are seen as hopeless, despite them usually getting to finals and achieving more than most other teams.

 

Sport has to have a winner and a loser in most cases, David Haye hasnt got to where he is because hes a 'moron', hes beaten alot of guys and boxed very well in the process. He was beaten on Saturday by a very good boxer who by most peoples books boxed one of his best fights to date. Haye landed some good blows and so did Wlad and in the end Wladimir was the better fighter. No more, no less.

 

If Adam Booth hadn't of spent most of the week leading up to the fight kicking up a fuss about Wladimir's tactics of leaning on a guy, then that point deduction would not of taken place. This is just one of many tricks which trainers, managers etc always do, especially when their man is boxing away from home.

 

Listen, as I said before the weekend, I've been following David ever since the World Amatuer championships, I was there and saw him lose to Odlanier Solis to come home with a Silver medal, but I knew he was a bit special just by seeing certain moves which he made, so I kept my eye on him ever since. I've seen him fight at the York Hall also, and was there in France when beat Jean-Marc Mormeck and the Macarinelli fight, so it's fair to say that I can give a fair comment here. I've been in Boxing all of my life, my dad and all of his five brothers boxed, three of them turned professional, and my great-grandfather was one of the "House Seconds" for the historic National Sporting Club, and during his time there he worked the corners of such fighters as Ted Kid Lewis, Bombardier Wells, Jimmy Wilde, Micky Walker...you get the point. The reason I'm including this in my post, is just to show that I'm not the sort who gets carried away with current fighters when they have a few victories and jump on their bandwagon without knowing any better. I attend quite a lot of top level amateur shows and have done for years, competing in some of them during the years of 1996-2004, so I've seen a few guys who have become stars, and I almost always remain impartial when it comes to watching these fighters who I have kept an eye on for a few years, but with David Haye, I'll be honest, I always thought he was very special and would fulfill his goals, one of the main things he had going for him (but no control over) was the timing of his career. He came along at just the right time and I felt that he had a brilliant opportunity to grab what he wanted.

 

While it is true that all fighters do indeed say they are going to win, that they will do this and do that but unfortunatley for David, he himself left very little room for failure with some of the things he said before the fight.

 

The worst thing, I believe, is that David spent years telling anyone who would listen that he would not be another one of those guys who would just give up after the first few rounds and just let Wladimir pepper him with the jab and hypnotize him with it.

 

The tactics were ALL WRONG. When you are fighting a guy who's whole game is about controlling the pace, commanding the centre of the ring, and always needing to be "on top"....then why on earth would you allow him to do those things, Haye needed to jab with Wlad (and if you think that is nonsense, then re-watch rounds 3-5, where Haye was out-jabbing Wlad) use more foot-feignts and throw more body punches to move Wlad back. Whenever Haye advanced, Wladimir done what he always does and cannot change...he got scared and begins to panic.

 

Wladimir is a very good technician, but he wasn't doing anything special that forced Haye to perform in the way he did. If Klitschko was, for instance, throwing that solid straight right hand through the middle whenever David advanced or came forward, then that would be fine and it would explain such a non-effort from Haye, similar to Hatton Vs Mayweather, Ricky couldnt get going and get inside properly because Floyd was shaking him right down to his boots with right hand leads whenever he moved forward, a few rounds went by and Ricky more or less gave up because he couldnt implement his plans because Floyd was killing them before they could even get going. He got careless and we know what happened there. If that was the case for Haye against Wladimir, then fair enough and we would be able to say Haye tried his best but he was up against a better fighter who had the superior physical, mental and technical ability to execute his game plan.

 

You can not go into the ring with a man of Wladimir's size, proportions and ability, without the correct tactics and the physical and mental toughness to execute them. I like Adam Booth and I think he has a very good boxing brain, but the tactics that David was using were basic, to say the very least....crude and rudimentary....downright STUPID is more accurate. Having said that, I would be shocked if those were indeed the tactics which the Hayemaker team came up with. David blames his toe for not being able to execute the plans he had, well....Ive had the same injury and it's no fun at all, but I also know what the adrenaline rush from boxing infront of a crowd feels like....not to mention the syringe full of Lidocaine that the Doctor apparently whacked into it 5 minutes before the fight, so that excuse doesn't fly for me. His toe did look in bad shape, but it didn't seem to bother him during the public workout a couple days before, and like I say, adrenaline and the Lidocaine would surely of been enough.

 

I posted in this boxing thread last week that I was concerned about Wladimir's speed. There was lots of talk and rightly so, about Haye's speed, but I think that Wladimir's speed is massivley underrated, both hand speed and foot speed. He turns that right hand over like a bolt of lightning. So I think David was shocked himself with the speed of Wlad, and it knocked his confidence all over the place because David was supposed to be the fast one and it was one of the only ways for him to win.

 

Winning and losing aside, though, if you asked people before the fight what they felt would be the worst outcome, for the sport of boxing....then I'm fairly sure that almost all of them would say something like "We really do not need another farcical fight, not with the state the division is in right now, and definatley not with such a massive worldwide audience watching....we need this fight to shine and show that Heavyweight boxing is still something special."

 

Another interesting observation I had in the Stadium, was the ring-walks. I watched the video of the fight when I got back from Hamburg, and the ring-walks looked as dangerous as they did when I was there....well, David Haye's ring walk, I should say. Haye and Klitschko walked to the ring through two different pathways once they emerged from those makeshift TV sets that provided those elaborate ring entrances. Well, as everyone noticed who watched the fight on TV, it was chaos when Haye made his way through the crowd, the security were seriously unprepared, and because the few security guys were trying so hard to just move forward with eachother, they left Haye un-protected, which is why one of the crowd members wrapped his arms around Haye's waist and lifted him up, it was crazy. I've never seen such a breach in security, and certainly not in a situation like that. They were lucky really, because this could've turned ugly as it only takes one person to start fighting in a crowd and it soon spreads. Anyway, there were no barriers separating Haye as he made his way to the ring, but there were barriers in place on Klitschko's route and much more security, so with this being a K2 promotion, it might've been a little skull-duggery, I'm not saying this effected the fight, but it was very dangerous and someone could've been hurt.

 

I will post my analysis of the fight later tonight or tomorrow, because for now I'm going to dig into my "Archive", as I call it, which is my spare room that I converted, which houses my fight footage collection, I have a few thousand VHS, about 400 DVD's, but my favourites are my film reel collection, it's not often that I get the projector out and take the reels out of their tins and run them, but I'm going to immerse myself in some of my favourite fights from the pre-war period, and try to remove the sour taste from my mouth that I received in Hamburg.