Guest Tidus Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 Just like to say, fair play to Burch for at least handling this maturely. Unlike several of you.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Surf Digby Posted October 24, 2003 Paid Members Share Posted October 24, 2003 I think the worry is that BYWers are influenced by pro-wrestling, and there will be a knee jerk reaction to this with people saying "we don't want pro wrestling on TV, 'cos it'll influence our kids to start mimicking it and get hurt". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgie Pin Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 I think Drazic's eyes are pretty much what most people will think. backyarding iswrestling's dirty little cousin that its hard to see backyarding objectively.Most people watching that will know immediately that BYW is not pro-wrestling.It can't harm industry that actively speaks against it and has wrestlers doingtalks at schools warning kids of the dangers of attempting BYW.As a documentary the programme was entertaining and informative. Itpresented BYW as exactly what it is. For those of us who have zero experienceof BYW now we have seen for ourselves exactly what these kids get up andhow dangerous what they do really is. It makes it more important to us toencourage kids who have tried BYW or are thinking of it to go and finda school to train in. Hey, if not wrestling school then find a martial arts gym - justsomething that will channel all that energy.To those who felt there was no moralising by the producers, I will answer thatas a person involved in filmmaking for the last 15 years. Its not the job of the documentary filmmaker to moralise, only to inform - you make your ownmind from the information presented.The kids themselves seem to be lonely types looking for a group of mates theycan fit into.... Whatever happened to the youth clubs? Perhaps if local councilsdidn't close them then there would be less reason for BYW groups to start upin certain areas. My point being that there are other reasons other than beinga fan of wrestling why BYW groups start up. We would all like BYing to finish.The only way we can help stop BYW is to look at the reasons why kids mayget into it a little more objectively. The hostility towards the kids will onlyactively encourage them. Don't forget teenagers are just that - teenagers, withthe temperaments and emotional ups and downs teenagers are known for.What may seem logical to you as an adult isn't so rational to a teenager. Sorry Elisar but I think it can harm wrestling. I've already had 'Did you see that program about wrestling last night?' Not backyard wrestling; just wrestling. Wrestling is not taken seriously in any way and it will take more than a program like this to change that view.No-one knows that wrestlers have spoken out against it or that the industry is against it because no-one outside of wrestling fans have any contact with it. That to most people is just another form of pro-wrestling.Yes, teenagers will always do silly things when they're bored. However, I don't condone nicking cars and maiming your mate in a crash anymore than I do backyarding. They claimed to be wrestling fans and desperate to be wrestlers - well then show some commitment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazhsw Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 I find it laughable that people are on this forum saying that the documentary shamed wrestling and harms chances of getting wrestling on TV. Where do you think TV execs get their ideas from wrestling - the WWE and old notions of World Of Sport - not some doco made for C4 late Thursday night. Furthermore 90% of people who watched it are probably into wrestling anyway - any casual viewers at that time probably have preconceived ideas about wrestling.What I am trying to get at is that perhaps we should show more concern over MAINSTREAM wrestling like WWE. Recently we've seen Guerrero spraying 'shit' on the Big Show, Vince beating up his daughter and Austin as a face beating up women who are faces. How a multi million dollar company can legitimise a convicted wifebeater for no apparant reason - the beatings of Stacy (and Moolah a few months ago) is beyond me. We',ve had the Katie Vick storyline and Bischofs sexual assault of Linda too. Need I mention the blatant rascism every week. (Tajiri, FBI, Teddy Long, La Resistance - all 'foreign heels')The amount of outrage wasted on spotty teenagers who no one gives a flying fuck about while the WWE presents the most morally repugnant product possible is laughable.I enjoyed the program, thought they were a bunch of nobheads mostly but it really isn't important in th scheme of things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacrificeman Posted October 25, 2003 Share Posted October 25, 2003 Put one of those kids in the ring in a legit shoot-fight against someone like Doug Williams or Flash Barker. Then they'll see just how tough they are....not! Just trawled through thirteen pages of postings ... Quite a job i can tell ya Personally id like to see them in the ring , against ANYBODY from the uk scene , who has put in their time , and paid their dues , and loves what they do above anything else in this life ( "hardcore" match or otherwise) because without a shadow of a doubt , the guys who have been doing this for years , would murder-ize them and leave them begging to go back to their own little yard so that they could be called a leg-end again.Theres having fun , and theres having respect for / with the wrestling business .... just make sure you NEVER get the two mixed up .Sorry .... had to get that off the pecs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvd777 Posted October 25, 2003 Share Posted October 25, 2003 i thought it was a good show with burch, Selby & a couple of the welsh lads comming across quite wellA lot of you are being WAY to harsh on them here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XPW Kid Posted October 25, 2003 Share Posted October 25, 2003 I reallly liked it. Was good to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Galaxy Posted October 25, 2003 Share Posted October 25, 2003 Do these people have lives? A 19 year old doing backyard wrestling, shouldn't he get a job? Plus he's 19, been doing it for years and still can't cut a decent promo on the Nature Boy! The crap American accents made me laugh, especially, as somebody said earlier, when that commentator said in the worst accent ever "Er Are you hurt or faking that shit", I cracked up. Made me laugh that guy who is writing his own autobiography, and what the hell was wrong with that Mum of Blade who says she fears a call from the hospital saying her sosn broke his back yet she still lets him do it? At least that guys Dad tried to get him away from it by taking him to a wrestling school but even he should have realised earlier that his kid was comming home with peices of glass in his back. These kids need to get Lives and fast, I have no problem with a bunch of mates throwing fake punches and crap rock-bottoms, just mucking about, but to use some of the weapons there using, and to do what there doing with them they need to realise what danger there in. And WELSHFEST looked like the most shittest thing ever, they didn't even have a ring for god's sake and had an interviewer who couldn't stop moving his head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the time lord Posted October 25, 2003 Share Posted October 25, 2003 If American indy groups had no ring, no equipment and no anything they would just be the same as these kids, just give them a chance. I think they have bottle to go through that, just last night i was talking to a kid not involved in BYW and he as joined a wrestling school.He is quite big and would like to specialise in Mat/ Submission, but on his first few lessons what as he HAD to learn CARTWHEELS, come on and you wonder why these kids do this because they feel as if they are not needed. We have so much undiscovered Talent out there and if these kids were given the chance they would train and become better then any of the yanks you see in RENTBOYS ON HEAT Oh sorry i think you call it RING OF HONOUR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Galaxy Posted October 25, 2003 Share Posted October 25, 2003 What r u on about? Those indy feds have wrestlers who are just that WRESTLERS. They are trained and know how to land and how to protect their oppponents. These kids don't. I have a respect for other peoples opinions but I'm sorry your comment was pure shit. These kids and lets not forget most of them still r kids, go out without any training and hit each other with weapons and drop each other on their back and risk serious harm. Even pro who have trained for 2 or 3 years still have a lot to learn about bumping and looking after opponents what makes a 16 year old boy who's had no training think he can do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chris-Bell Posted October 25, 2003 Share Posted October 25, 2003 (edited) yeh most of byw is not about hitting each other with light tubesFunny, The documentary showed BYW as being "Ultra-Violent"... " Hardcore" & above all else from what I've seen thumbtacks, light tubes & a baseball bat with barb wire on it.... so how can you say BYW doesnt use light tubes???I smell bull crap WTF would Backyard wrestler's know about: Wrestling/ Ring Psychology, putting on good technical match's, & above all else charisma in promo's......???????As far as I go backyarder's know jack-all about anything about being a pro wrestler & from what I've seen BYW is all about spots B spot Y spot W For flying fuck sake. Ok I am sick of trying to speak normal to you people because you obviously are not taking this in.This is what I am trying to say.You all think you know what backyard wrestling is because you saw that documentary and believe what wa son there is exactly what we did.Well I am telling you now it is wrong. Yes those kids used light tubes but we don't all use light tubes, I have never used a lighttube befor enor a pizza cutter for that matter.When I do a backyard match I like to wrestle in the sense of takedowns submission chains, yues they may nto be pro standard but I realise that and yes I am tryign to emulate it becaus ei like it and ic anta fford to go to taringin I have been to two session scos it wa sfree I know people who ar etrained pros an dhave had a match with a high profile british wrestler. But the point is I may not be excellent so what, when u play sunday league football I aint gonna insult youa nd go oh yer crap, but I dont use this ultra violence which you seem to think every single backyarder does.We don't exactly know all the perfect points of pro wrestling of psychology etc but then neither do many of the people just aringin to be pro but I think I have a good grasp of the concept of psychology and do try to use it, you dont smell bull crap, because osm edo, ye syou have your spot to spot wrestler but you have them in the pro point being some of us backyarders do try to have a go at it so stop being so stereotypical.Sorry, was asked to remove the link I'd posted because of bandwidth worries. Edited October 25, 2003 by Chris-Bell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest OutcastVideo Posted October 25, 2003 Share Posted October 25, 2003 I think they have bottle to go through thaterm...no. I'd happily get whacked with lightbulbs if i loved wrestling, i was getting paid and was doing it for thousands in attendance, millions were seeing it on TV and it meant something to a storyline or feud, ie. Foley/HHH at Royal Rumble 2000.This just goes back to Fadda's old arguement of indy wrestlers throwing each other off buildings for a couple of hundred people who will forget about it in a week.How a multi million dollar company can legitimise a convicted wifebeater for no apparant reasonSo why do people still buy R Kelly records? You can't compare WWEs faults to that of BYW.I'm gonna try and find out the viewing figues for 'Lock up your Kids' and see how many people actually watched it. Afterall how badly percieved can wrestling be after being seen by a few thousand non-wrestling fans watched that. And how many of those would have been considering attending a wrestling event (ie. FWA) and will now decide against it if they think its all blood and weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chris-Bell Posted October 25, 2003 Share Posted October 25, 2003 But peopel could think that simply due to the footage of CZW a pro fed which creates all this ultraviolence. that is what they will think pro is bnecause that is what they saw.Oh but wait what you saw on that program must be the generalisation mustn it after all what you saw about BYW must be the generalisation.Can no body actually friggen understand this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Posted October 25, 2003 Share Posted October 25, 2003 But peopel could think that simply due to the footage of CZW a pro fed which creates all this ultraviolence. that is what they will think pro is bnecause that is what they saw.Didnt they also see pro wrestling trainners and trainee pro wrestlers saying that BYW is crap and a disgrace? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest OutcastVideo Posted October 25, 2003 Share Posted October 25, 2003 Can no body actually friggen understand this?That second sentence you attempted? No sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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