UFC 238: Cejudo vs Moraes - Jun 8 🇺🇸

[Carbomb]

4 minutes ago, David said:

Not to go too far off topic, but the problem with Unions in my opinion, is union leaders. 

Depends on the union, but yeah. The big ones in particular have some right shits at the top - a lot of them are actually quite right-wing, and are more interested in their political profile than actually fighting for their members.

[David]

Just now, Carbomb said:

Depends on the union, but yeah. The big ones in particular have some right shits at the top - a lot of them are actually quite right-wing, and are more interested in their political profile than actually fighting for their members.

It kind of adds to my belief that the vast majority of people do what they do for themselves. Union leaders throughout history have been corrupt as fuck, and in many instances the wellbeing of their members has been nothing more than an afterthought.

[Carbomb]

Being from a very trenchant trade union family, I personally wouldn't go that far - I strongly believe that a lot of the benefits that we enjoy today in work have been a result of the labour movement banding together and fighting the employers tooth and nail for every inch we've gained.

But, by the same token, having seen the sheer fuckery pulled by a lot of union leaders (my own mum, who was head of legal in her union, MSF was on the end of some political shit by the former leader of the AEU when both unions merged), I understand all too well why people are cynical, and can see why many might write off the unions as being exclusionist and on the make, especially after the '70s, and after Scargill's shitshow in the '80s. 

That said, I still believe that we only have the power to affect things through solidarity and unity. The union movement is still worthy, and the principles are still sound.

[wandshogun09]

17 hours ago, jimufctna24 said:

I just hope it happens before Khabib's body breaks down, or Ferguson sustains a loss and gives Dana an excuse to remove him from title contention. 

Yeah, one of the many fucked up things about it is you just know the second Ferguson loses Dana would say ‘Well how can we do Khabib vs Ferguson, you fucking dummy? Ferguson just lost. He’s not even in the title picture’. Yet Conor gets ruined in his last fight and spends months tweeting vile shit like calling a Muslim woman (Khabib’s wife, no less) “a towel”...but a title shot for him makes sense? 

I really don’t want to see Khabib vs McGregor 2. For a bunch of reasons. 

1) The fight itself just isn’t that interesting anymore. It wasn’t even competitive last time and I’ve seen nothing from McGregor to make me think a rematch looks any different. Unless he’s planning to tweet Khabib to death. 

2) Conor flat-out doesn’t deserve a title shot. 

3) It would be complete fucking bullshit to bypass Tony Ferguson at this stage. If there were no other credible challengers for Khabib, then whatever, give Conor another crack. But there’s a few who deserve it. And none more than Ferguson.

And 4) and maybe most of all, it’s just going to get even uglier, this Khabib vs Conor thing. Can you imagine how bad and volatile that buildup and press conference would be? And how potentially dangerous the post-fight aftermath would be? It was bad enough last time. Since then the whole vibe of this beef between them has only got worse. Especially with Conor tweeting racist shite about Khabib’s wife and making headlines for all the wrong reasons with the rape accusations, smashing that guy’s phone up etc. The press conference will just be McGregor swigging his crap whiskey, shouting racial slurs and talking about his ‘broken foot’ in the first fight while Khabib just continuously calls him a rapist. And to make it even shitter you know that walking foreskin Dillon Danis is going to be all over the buildup as well. And more of Paulie Eyebrows (maybe fresh off getting his face broken by Artem) never shutting the fuck up about a sparring match from 2 years ago. It would be awful. And then Khabib would predictably crush McGregor again. The way things have played out, the UFC should be using this as an opportunity to distance themselves from that ugly Khabib vs Conor stuff. At least for a bit. By booking a straight immediate rematch, they’re just further encouraging it and just as the flames might’ve been starting to go out, they’re pouring fuel on it. And by giving Conor the fight ‘he wants’ again, it yet again sends the message to Conor that he’s untouchable and there’s no repercussions for his cunty behaviour. 

If you want Khabib vs Conor 2 over a Khabib vs Ferguson fight that’s been in the making since 2013, you probably also like Brendan Schaub, follow GAD on Twitter and need your hard drive seized. 

[jimufctna24]

On this subject, I recently found out that the UFC fighters don't get paid for appearing in the UFC's video games. When EA Sports did a non-UFC game in 2010, which featured fighters from Strikeforce, Dream, etc, the fighters were compensated. It's one of the reasons that Mousasi left UFC to go to Bellator. 

43 minutes ago, Carbomb said:

That said, I still believe that we only have the power to affect things through solidarity and unity.

Agreed. 

[David]

45 minutes ago, Carbomb said:

Being from a very trenchant trade union family, I personally wouldn't go that far - I strongly believe that a lot of the benefits that we enjoy today in work have been a result of the labour movement banding together and fighting the employers tooth and nail for every inch we've gained.

But, by the same token, having seen the sheer fuckery pulled by a lot of union leaders (my own mum, who was head of legal in her union, MSF was on the end of some political shit by the former leader of the AEU when both unions merged), I understand all too well why people are cynical, and can see why many might write off the unions as being exclusionist and on the make, especially after the '70s, and after Scargill's shitshow in the '80s. 

That said, I still believe that we only have the power to affect things through solidarity and unity. The union movement is still worthy, and the principles are still sound.

I would go that far. I had family who were union men in the Ravenscraig, and they got fucked over to some tune. The Union leaders did next to nothing, and were reportedly well-paid for their lack of trouble.

Like any organisation in human history, power is sought out by those who crave it, and usually by those who wish to benefit from it.

3 minutes ago, wandshogun09 said:

I really don’t want to see Khabib vs McGregor 2. For a bunch of reasons.

There really is zero reason for making that fight right now, other than the fact that it means money for White and those who make the decisions within the company. 

[wandshogun09]

51 minutes ago, Carbomb said:

I still believe that we only have the power to affect things through solidarity and unity. 

3 minutes ago, David said:

There really is zero reason for making that fight right now, other than the fact that it means money for White and those who make the decisions within the company. 

It’s times like this when I miss the days of the regular Dana White media scrums. I’d love to see someone Paxman him on this situation. Of course, it most likely wouldn’t happen anyway because most media members wouldn’t push Dana too hard because they know he’s a thin-skinned, tantrum throwing, pink-faced, sweary middle-aged baby who’d have their media credentials taken away for doing their job. But every now and then you get a Ariel Helwani or Kevin Iole who decide not to just lob softball questions like the rest. Usually ends with Dana spitting the dummy. 

I know we wouldn’t really get a proper answer anyway but I’d just like to see him try to explain why Conor McGregor should get Tony Ferguson’s title shot. That’s all. Just to see what convoluted nonsense he could come up with to avoid just saying ‘because it makes me even richer’. 

[Carbomb]

15 minutes ago, David said:

I would go that far. I had family who were union men in the Ravenscraig, and they got fucked over to some tune. The Union leaders did next to nothing, and were reportedly well-paid for their lack of trouble.

Like any organisation in human history, power is sought out by those who crave it, and usually by those who wish to benefit from it.

I get it. And I know a lot of people were fucked over. But there are also a lot of unions that have done a lot of good for their members. That's why I don't completely write off the union movement as a whole. And why also I believe that, if we really want to affect change in the union movement for the better, we need more people in it, not fewer. The minority shower of cunts in charge wouldn't be able to hold on if there was mass membership.

[David]

12 hours ago, Carbomb said:

I get it. And I know a lot of people were fucked over. But there are also a lot of unions that have done a lot of good for their members. That's why I don't completely write off the union movement as a whole. And why also I believe that, if we really want to affect change in the union movement for the better, we need more people in it, not fewer. The minority shower of cunts in charge wouldn't be able to hold on if there was mass membership.

Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying the union movement is a bad thing, I'm saying that the leadership is usually out for themselves. It's one of the reasons why I think that Socialism and Communism can never really work, and has never really worked. It's all great in theory, but when you throw in the fact that most humans, when given the opportunity, become power-hungry cunts of the highest order it all tends to come crumbling down.

Another discussion for another thread though.