Jason Mayhem Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 By quoting Bagga and Ravenhill and their Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderBag Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 Is that not precisely what the BWC was created for?The BWC has as much authority as Captain Crunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King Of Swing Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 Is that not precisely what the BWC was created for?The BWC as already pointed out was a crock of shit.As for this thread in general follow the rules and you won't be forced to cancel shows simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Ford Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 Public liability insurance, for a start. And I'm certain the venue needs to hold a license for combat sports or something similar, which is probably the license in question.I'm pretty certain, but frankly can't be arsed to look for anything to back this up, that no licence whatsoever is required, nor is public liability insurance. PLI may very well be desirable, but not a legal requirement.I suppose the point I'm trying to make is that if venues don't know. or care enough to find out about stuff like this, surely it lends itself to this kind of bullshit, where those that aspire to run "professional" businesses engage in just as much carny bullshit behind the scenes as the biggest money mark backyarder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diluted Dante Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 The BWC was a load of shite.Yes. But the theory of a body that can advise on things like the legalities of putting on a wrestling event is a sound one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Halitosis Romantic Posted May 9, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted May 9, 2012 The BWC was a load of shite.Yes. But the theory of a body that can advise on things like the legalities of putting on a wrestling event is a sound one.That way lies madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diluted Dante Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 Public liability insurance, for a start. And I'm certain the venue needs to hold a license for combat sports or something similar, which is probably the license in question.I'm pretty certain, but frankly can't be arsed to look for anything to back this up, that no licence whatsoever is required, nor is public liability insurance. PLI may very well be desirable, but not a legal requirement.Under the Licensing Act 2003, wrestling is listed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Chest Rockwell Posted May 9, 2012 Moderators Share Posted May 9, 2012 'the only way is suplex'? what a shit name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diluted Dante Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 'the only way is suplex'? what a shit name.If there is one thing I hate it's a shameless plugIt's certainly no How Do You Like Them Grapples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenhill Promotions Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Firstly, this show that got cancelled had nothing to do with me, the first time I even heard of this company was when the reporter asked me my opinion on the incident. However I do stand by my comments. Professional Wrestling is a business, and it should be treated as one. A show without relevent licenses is illegal, and if this 'guerilla' show that went ahead on the sunday was unlicensed, then the promoters should be held accountable - just like someone driving a car without a license would be held accountable. Especially after having the previous two nights shows cancelled, the promoters knew the laws going into the sunday show. However, I do hope for them that the sunday venue was licensed.Really though, one sentance sums this incident up: IF THE SHOW WAS LEGAL, IT COULDN'T BE CANCELLED. And anyone saying differently really needs to wise up and accept that in business there are certain laws and regulations that you must abide by. As for the BWC, well that's just a big con run by a bunch of clowns with the aim to make money off of other clowns. And i'll go on record here to say that everyone involved with the BWC is an absolute idiot!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diluted Dante Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Really though, one sentance sums this incident up: IF THE SHOW WAS LEGAL, IT COULDN'T BE CANCELLED. And anyone saying differently really needs to wise up and accept that in business there are certain laws and regulations that you must abide by.That isn't really the issue though. Unless you're willing to stand up now and call Steve Evans a liar, he's saying that he asked the venues if they held the required license, and they told him yes they did. If that's the case, and someone was aware that the venues were mistaken, I think it's a little shitty that they didn't tell Evans. What I think is more shitty is that they informed the venue last minute. Generally, it takes a while to organise these things, so it's highly likely whoever informed the venue knew well in advance, and chose to wait until the last minute. I do admit though that last part is speculation, but it seems likely to me.So when they switched to another venue, which also didn't have the right license, once again they were not informed, it was the venue who were contacted. All this served to do was give British wrestling a bad name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenhill Promotions Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Really though, one sentance sums this incident up: IF THE SHOW WAS LEGAL, IT COULDN'T BE CANCELLED. And anyone saying differently really needs to wise up and accept that in business there are certain laws and regulations that you must abide by.That isn't really the issue though. Unless you're willing to stand up now and call Steve Evans a liar, he's saying that he asked the venues if they held the required license, and they told him yes they did. If that's the case, and someone was aware that the venues were mistaken, I think it's a little shitty that they didn't tell Evans. What I think is more shitty is that they informed the venue last minute. Generally, it takes a while to organise these things, so it's highly likely whoever informed the venue knew well in advance, and chose to wait until the last minute. I do admit though that last part is speculation, but it seems likely to me.So when they switched to another venue, which also didn't have the right license, once again they were not informed, it was the venue who were contacted. All this served to do was give British wrestling a bad name.I'm not saying that Steve Evans is a liar, i'm simply stating a fact, and the fact is that if the venue wasn't licensed then the show can't legally be run, be it the venues or promoters fault it doesn't really matter. However, if the sunday show was unlicensed, then that is Steve Evan's fault, as he clearly knew by then what license the venue had to hold.And this hasn't given British Wrestling a bad name at all. I'm pretty certain that very few outside of this forum even know that this incident took place. And as for the council that was involved in all of this, all its done is serve to educate them on the documentation that needs to be in place to run wrestling events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diluted Dante Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 To any that were attending the event it did. It doesn't reflect well at all. Shows that are cancelled last minute do not leave a good impression on the people they affect.Yes, I agree that if the Sunday show was unlicensed, it's probably Evans fault. Does anyone actually know where the event was held in the end? Or is everyone keeping it secret? These would be pictures from the event, if anyone can work it out.Anyway, this is straying far from the point. I don't dispute that unlicensed shows shouldn't happen. I dispute that active sabotage is something anyone should be engaging in. I dispute that promoters shouldn't be working together to build the British wrestling industry into something big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenhill Promotions Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 To any that were attending the event it did. It doesn't reflect well at all. Shows that are cancelled last minute do not leave a good impression on the people they affect.Yes, I agree that if the Sunday show was unlicensed, it's probably Evans fault. Does anyone actually know where the event was held in the end? Or is everyone keeping it secret? These would be pictures from the event, if anyone can work it out.Anyway, this is straying far from the point. I don't dispute that unlicensed shows shouldn't happen. I dispute that active sabotage is something anyone should be engaging in. I dispute that promoters shouldn't be working together to build the British wrestling industry into something big.In all seriousness now, can you give me a logical reason as to why I would want to do that?Outside of wrestling I own a security company, and believe me, I don't help other security companies with their business. So why would I do that in wrestling? I'm in business to make money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrokeNCYDE Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Didnt you do this with 2 shows in wales? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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