METAL ON METAL Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Fedor is back in negotiations with the UFC. Reportedly his first opponent being lined up is Cain Valesquez. File under 'Whatever, if it happens..' Â Nah, I call bullshit. Â UFC don't need/want him now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted November 22, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted November 22, 2011 The Fedor fight reminded me a lot of Liddell vs Horn. You could tell after the first round that there was no way Monson was going to win that fight. His stand up is no match for Fedor and he didn't even come close to a takedown. Credit to Fedor because his leg kicks looked good, and his hands looked decent, so it's a nice win for him to keep him motivated hopefully, but Monson looked like shit, looked like he was fighting in slow motion. i just saw it. Yeh, it's pretty obvious that Jeff Monson was brought in to lose, he's basically a perfect matchup for Fedor, plus he some kind of name recognition so it was a nice little comeback fight. Fedor looked good, but was unthreatened and unsurprisingly fought a safe fight. Interested to see what happens next. Â I'm glad he's back with a win though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted November 22, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted November 22, 2011 Posted this in the FOX 2 thread but I'll stick it here aswell. Sonnen vs Munoz and Sanchez vs Ellenberger are rumoured to be headlining the 2nd FOX event in January. Â I truly believe that when they fight the next time Silva's going to completely show him up. How many people (I can't be bothered trawling through the thread) on here were claiming that Okami was going to trouble Silva since he had the wrestling & the 'Sonnen' gameplan had exposed Silva's weakness etc. etc. I agree that Chael probably poses the biggest challenge but IMO a healthy Silva vs a clean Sonnen will be a different fight altogether. Anderson's just that far above everyone else in the division. Â If a Silva vs Sonnen rematch happens (it's got to at some point) I think Sonnen has a very good chance. I understand all the shit with the failed tests and Silva's ribs but Chael's style still poses a real threat to Anderson. Silva's the best fighter in MMA but I think it's fair to say wrestling is his weakest area. The fact Sonnen will be coming in 'clean' won't mean he'll forget all the years of wrestling experience. Just like Anderson's ribs healing won't mean he can suddenly stuff all of Sonnen's takedowns. The problems Chael offered in the first fight are still there. Â The Okami point is one I kinda fell for. I didn't pick Okami to win but I figured he would at least try to use his size and his upper body clinch to take Silva down and control him which could have worked well for him. As it turned out, once the fight started he seemed intimidated, looked to have no real gameplan and just stood there while Anderson picked him apart. Â For all Sonnen's faults one thing he won't be is intimidated. I think that was a big part of his success in the first fight, he didn't stand around giving Silva time to get settled, he just bullrushed him right off the bat and went right at him relentlessly. Â All that aside, I picked Anderson by submission last time just because of Chael's history of getting caught and subbed in fights, even when he's winning. That will also still be very likely this time. Submitting Brian Stann doesn't turn you into Marcelo Garcia overnight and Silva will still be just as dangerous off his back. Â I'm not sure who I'd pick to be honest. If Sonnen can tighten up his submission defence and be less reckless on the ground I think he could deffo pull off a decision. I'd probably end up picking Anderson to submit him again to be honest. 5 rounds is a fuck of a long time to avoid a triangle if your name's Chael Sonnen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted November 22, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted November 22, 2011 Sonnen-Munoz for Fox, noooooo! it's putting our rematch in jeopardy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted November 22, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted November 22, 2011 The Fedor fight reminded me a lot of Liddell vs Horn. You could tell after the first round that there was no way Monson was going to win that fight. His stand up is no match for Fedor and he didn't even come close to a takedown. Credit to Fedor because his leg kicks looked good, and his hands looked decent, so it's a nice win for him to keep him motivated hopefully, but Monson looked like shit, looked like he was fighting in slow motion. i just saw it. Yeh, it's pretty obvious that Jeff Monson was brought in to lose, he's basically a perfect matchup for Fedor, plus he some kind of name recognition so it was a nice little comeback fight. Fedor looked good, but was unthreatened and unsurprisingly fought a safe fight. Interested to see what happens next. Â I'm glad he's back with a win though on another note regarding the M-1 show...Benny Ricardo is the worst commentator ive ever heard, he clearly has no idea what he's talking about. I never want to see him near an MMA event again, shocking. Â The whole production was ruined by the commentary, it was like it has been tagged ontop of the footage, the actual arena sound was basically mute, all you could hear was commentary, horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TildeGuy~! Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Rampage has tweeted to say UFC have decided to not put him on the Japan card. Â Hes Pissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Dead Mike Posted November 22, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted November 22, 2011 Posted this in the FOX 2 thread but I'll stick it here aswell. Sonnen vs Munoz and Sanchez vs Ellenberger are rumoured to be headlining the 2nd FOX event in January. I truly believe that when they fight the next time Silva's going to completely show him up. How many people (I can't be bothered trawling through the thread) on here were claiming that Okami was going to trouble Silva since he had the wrestling & the 'Sonnen' gameplan had exposed Silva's weakness etc. etc. I agree that Chael probably poses the biggest challenge but IMO a healthy Silva vs a clean Sonnen will be a different fight altogether. Anderson's just that far above everyone else in the division.  If a Silva vs Sonnen rematch happens (it's got to at some point) I think Sonnen has a very good chance. I understand all the shit with the failed tests and Silva's ribs but Chael's style still poses a real threat to Anderson. Silva's the best fighter in MMA but I think it's fair to say wrestling is his weakest area. The fact Sonnen will be coming in 'clean' won't mean he'll forget all the years of wrestling experience. Just like Anderson's ribs healing won't mean he can suddenly stuff all of Sonnen's takedowns. The problems Chael offered in the first fight are still there.  The Okami point is one I kinda fell for. I didn't pick Okami to win but I figured he would at least try to use his size and his upper body clinch to take Silva down and control him which could have worked well for him. As it turned out, once the fight started he seemed intimidated, looked to have no real gameplan and just stood there while Anderson picked him apart.  For all Sonnen's faults one thing he won't be is intimidated. I think that was a big part of his success in the first fight, he didn't stand around giving Silva time to get settled, he just bullrushed him right off the bat and went right at him relentlessly.  All that aside, I picked Anderson by submission last time just because of Chael's history of getting caught and subbed in fights, even when he's winning. That will also still be very likely this time. Submitting Brian Stann doesn't turn you into Marcelo Garcia overnight and Silva will still be just as dangerous off his back.  I'm not sure who I'd pick to be honest. If Sonnen can tighten up his submission defence and be less reckless on the ground I think he could deffo pull off a decision. I'd probably end up picking Anderson to submit him again to be honest. 5 rounds is a fuck of a long time to avoid a triangle if your name's Chael Sonnen.   I can't see Sonnen/Munoz going any other way than Sonnen taking him down & holding him down for 5 rounds doing just enough to avoid the stand-up, essentially what he's done in every of his bouts except the Stann fight. Maybe getting a sub if Munoz gasses as much as I think he will in the later rounds. I don't rate Munoz' takedown defence or guard highly enough to think it'll go any other way. I think they key difference in the Silva/Sonnen rematch (health & PED's aside) will be that Silva absolutely knows what Sonnen's going to want to do (see above) whereas Anderson is so well rounded he can finish from every position. He's had Chael on top of him for 5 rounds & knows he can take whatever Chael can throw at him. Anderson has the psychological advantage going into the fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted November 22, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted November 22, 2011 yeh but what if Munoz comes in with the intention of making it a wrestling match, am i right in thinking that Munoz is a higher level wrestler than Chael? i know it's still a fight but i think Munoz is the kind of the guy that could be very succesful by being very dull if he wanted too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Bus Surfer Posted November 22, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted November 22, 2011 I'm surprised they made Chael/Munoz, its definitely the riskiest fight. Munoz has good Wrestling and heavy hands, this could really derail/dampen this proposed rematch in Brazil. Wanderlei Silva was my pick, assuming he'd be ok to fight in January. The fight would make for a great build to Anderson/Sonnen II. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Sonnen-Munoz for Fox, noooooo! it's putting our rematch in jeopardy. Â Agreed. Â Really looking forward to Silva/Sonnen II because of what happened in their memorable first fight. I want to see what will be similar if anything or different the second time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Dead Mike Posted November 22, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted November 22, 2011 Do we really think Munoz has got a good chance against Sonnen then? Maybe I'm doing him a huge disservice but I see this fight as a bit of a given for Chael, almost humouring Munoz for his recent wins but without seriously considering him as a viable contender. Got to think that if Bisping beats Miller he's got to be in the frame too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted November 22, 2011 Author Share Posted November 22, 2011 If Sonnen agrees to take another fight rather than wait on Anderson to heal up then he's only got himself to blame if he blows his title shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted November 23, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted November 23, 2011 i'm not sure Sonnen has much of a choise, he's looking at a near 1 year lay off if he waits for Anderson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members wandshogun09 Posted November 23, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted November 23, 2011 Yeah he doesn't wanna end up having a Rashad Evans situation. Sitting out tends to lead to a bunch of problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Bus Surfer Posted November 23, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted November 23, 2011 Yeah, Sonnen is coming off a big layoff himself, so it figures to keep active. I'm just surprised it's Munoz. Out of the rest of the the MW contenders, I say he gives Chael the toughest matchup. Â In other news, Tito has stated that after the Lil Nog fight, he wants Rich Franklin. Â "I would love to [fight Rich Franklin]. I'll take any fight. Put 'em in front of me, I'll fight. UFC wants me to fight him? I'll fight. Rich Franklin, you wanna get broken off some? I'll break you off some." Â It will probably happen at some point with Franklin only wanting certain fights now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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