WU LYF 4 LYF Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 (edited) Nonetheless, the idea that communism wasn't desinged, and implemented (however badly) is kinda rubbish. Â Yeah, I should have been more clear, and said something more along the lines that 'all successful western societies and beaurocracies have been the product of evolution rather than instantaneous creation'. Communism was certainly designed, yet I believe they weren't able to implement the design and instead what they achieved wasn't as dissimilar to what went before as concrete terms such as 'communism' and 'capitalism' would suggest. Autocratic socialist rule rather than communism, then, which isn't all that different to the autocratic monarchic rule that preceded it. Â Then again, I'm of the opinion that communism is it's essence is just a work of nineteenth century utopian fiction (it's theories actually share much in common with More's sixteenth century Utopia), and is unlikely to ever work unless society was started from scratch and people have no expectations/perceptions/conceptions. Which of course will never happen. Â However, while it's helpful to bear it in mind to get you through the day, it's important not to use it to ignore the vast social inequalities and injustices that exist within this country. Â Again, true, but I tend to take a more passive response to social injustice, in the belief that little will change. There are always people at the top and people at the bottom in life. It's unfair, unjust, unequal, yet I do not see a solution that will be palatable to all society, and thus there will always be those who fight against change, and it will be those currently at the top with the most power. Edited October 4, 2011 by RIP Diva Sunny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted October 4, 2011 Author Share Posted October 4, 2011 Again, true, but I tend to take a more passive response to social injustice, in the belief that little will change. Let's be thankful that such people as Keir Hardie, John MacLean & James Connolly didn't share such an attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patiirc Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I see David Starkey is still shooting himself in the foot  Emily Maitlis is disgraceful, apparently  Clearly not done with being an odious twat, he is trying to alienate all and sundry for good measure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King Of Swing Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Does David Starkey like anyone other then perhaps Oliver Cromwell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big mickey Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I don't blame Starkey for lashing out, so one (albeit worded very badly) observation is enough for people to turn on you & declare your career over? Really?Is that how we are in 2011?Scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King Of Swing Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 (edited) Have you even seen David Starkey on TV mickey? the twat had made a reputation for himself long before his racist comments over the riots.Hardly suprised to see you defending him though mickey.EDITStarkey is also one of the rudest people I have ever seen on QT constantly cutting people off and shouting over them (heck Dimbleby had to tell him to shut up one time) so for him to cry over how he was treated on TV is fucking hilarious. Edited October 5, 2011 by The King Of Swing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big mickey Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Yeah, can't say I like the guy he is a nob.But like I say I can understand why he's lashing out over this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Apocalypse averted! Â http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15193726 Â Palin's not running for the Presidency in 1012. Have that, Mayan calenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiffy Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 I don't blame Starkey for lashing out, so one (albeit worded very badly) observation is enough for people to turn on you & declare your career over? Really?Is that how we are in 2011?Scary.It's how things have been for ever, if you have stupid ignorant opinions the majority of people will think you're a cunt. This really shouldn't come as new news to you mickey.Re Palin not running, I don't see it as particularly positive I have to say. A tea party candidate was about the only thing that'd stop the republicans getting in next term, if they choose a candidate that comes across as less insane you can pretty much guarantee obama's out. Which I can't help but think is a shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big mickey Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 I don't blame Starkey for lashing out, so one (albeit worded very badly) observation is enough for people to turn on you & declare your career over? Really?Is that how we are in 2011?Scary.It's how things have been for ever, if you have stupid ignorant opinions the majority of people will think you're a cunt. This really shouldn't come as new news to you mickey.Without retreading old ground he did make a reasonable point, he just put it badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Chest Rockwell Posted October 6, 2011 Moderators Share Posted October 6, 2011 (edited) Yeah, but people aren't jumping on him for "one observation" are they? It's because he always acts like a dick and everyone knows it. This was just yet one more example. You said yourself you don't like him - what could that possibly be based on if not an opinion formed on a collective view of all the things you've heard him say?Stop backtracking your bullshit defense of him. Edited October 6, 2011 by Chest Rockwell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiffy Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 For some reason I'm not entirely surprised you feel it was a valid point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Starkey is the Flaming June of the BBC ;)I quite like it when he's on QT as often his historian's perspective on modern politics can be enlightening; however he's definitely started acting more of a dick as his fame has increased. He enjoys being controversial I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big mickey Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Nah your right, I'm not really defending him at all, more the reaction to his comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiffy Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Yeah, he said gangsta culture was a black thing, and therefore kids being gangsta's where being black, whereas blacks not involved in crime were being white.People are always gonna think you're an ignorant racist cunt for things like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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