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7 minutes ago, Your Fight Site said:

Why? That’s his name…?

Because "Boris" is a persona that he's cultivated to disguise the fact that he's a really nasty prick.

It makes him sound like a loveable oddball, who is daft as fuck but means well really, as a opposed to an entitled, careerist wanker who only cares about himself.

Am I the only one who thinks Brandi is okay as a performer? It's just that everything she does tends to contradict everything else she does and none of it ever seems to lead anywhere. It's not like she's Jade Cargill on the mic or anything. She just needs to decide who she actually is.

7 hours ago, garynysmon said:

In a way its quite intriguing how this will all end up. Surely at some point Tony Khan will reach a stage where he doesn't want one of his main attractions diluting himself by appearing on another company's tv and headlining their PPV's every few months, but then how does Callis continue being his manager as well as an Impact executive without that crossover?

That's got me curious as well. Normally arrangements like this fall apart because of the politics and mistrust between the companies but, in this case, there's a level of trust between Omega and Callis that goes far beyond business, and both of them clearly have the trust of their employers.

It DOES make me wonder what's going to happen once Kenny starts to actually wrestle for Impact though. You've got to think he's beating Swann, to keep the storyline going, but what happens after that? He's going to have to start dropping titles at some point and that could cause some real awkwardness. Are AEW really going to let one of their top guys lose to an Impact wrestler on TV or PPV?

48 minutes ago, Little Johnny said:

 

Wouldn't both parties get obliterated under First Past The Post, leading us right back to where we are today? For me, your best hope is the Tories becoming so complacent that they contrive to choose a leader less electable than Theresa May. Does that alone give you more than one term in power though? I don't think it does.

Maybe. Depends on how they split. Labour's right has more in common with the Tories than they do with Labour's left wing. That's why they spent years undermining Corbyn's leadership, even to the point of sabotaging at least one election campaign. I can only imagine that divide would be even greater if they weren't hindered by each other.

Scotland might be the best example whereas rather than the left wing vote being split between the SNP and Labour, the Right vote is split between Labour and the Tories. The only way either of them win seats up here is when they tactically vote for each other.

I'm not suggesting either split Labour Party would necessarily beat the Tories but something needs to happen because Labour, in it's current form, isn't even an effective opposition. The current batch of Tories are the fucking worst, and are barely even pretending to be decent people. The fact that we're even discussing Labour - in a thread called "The Tories Are Cunts" - in a year when the Tories have been at their absolute cuntiest really says it all.

They are getting away with murder, because no one is calling them to account. I don't even mean that as an exaggeration either. They are literally killing people. 

1 hour ago, patiirc said:

It's the fact that Labour doesnt know what it is , what it wants and is continually at odds with itself. It needs to split and regroup else nothing will change. 

I disagree with you about the media's influence but I do think this is a good point. Since Blair, Labour have no real reason to exist aside from "getting in power". It's not really surprising that they'll constantly fight over the best way to achieve that.

Aside from "Stopping the Tories" why would you vote Labour? What would they do if they actually got into power? They don't even really use "Stop The Tories" up in Scotland anymore. They are all about "Stopping the SNP!" here, even though that's a different thing entirely, Aberdeen Council is made up by a coalition of Tories and Labour Councillors, who've just voted to ignore Devolution and ask for funding directly from Westminster. Labour have suspended them, granted, but imagine voting for a Labour candidate and then seeing them essentially defect to the Tories? Fuck that.

I do wish they'd get their shit together, because as it currently stands, they really are unelectable. Imagine them trying to campaign for an election now? They've created a narrative where "Labour is rife with anti-Semitism" is an undisputable fact and any attempt to play it down, or defend the Party is enough to get you suspended. How the fuck are you supposed to address people's concerns on the doorstep?

They really need to stop fucking about. This is the worst, most destructive Government in my life time, possibly in history, and Labour, in it's current form, are giving them an easy ride, if not actively assisting them.

10 minutes ago, hallicks said:

Further to that, Mogg accuses UNICEF of "playing politics" and making a "cheap political point." It's better to let the kids starve, presumably.

Accusing everyone else of "playing politics" seems to be their catch all response when they've got no other way to defend the indefensible. The SNP got it recently over the Tories' refusing to let them give NHS and Carers a £500 bonus without taxing it or deducting it from benefits. Starmer got it when he asked Johnson why he was ignoring scientific advice about implementing a two week circuit break lockdown. It's just a way to avoid an actual answer.

You'd think they'd limit it to actual politicians though. Unicef aren't even blaming the Government. They are blaming the pandemic.

17 minutes ago, BomberPat said:

I'm not sure what the stats would be now, but less than ten years ago there was a survey that showed something like 2% of WWE viewers could name another wrestling promotion. Before you get into any sense of them "learning to work WWE style", or suggestions that Vince actively works to undermine talent he's paying large sums of money to sign, you have to factor that point in - someone coming in from WCW, AEW, TNA, NJPW, or anywhere else, is a nobody to the vast majority of people watching.

You can't just throw them on TV as a done deal and have them walk straight into the main event, they need to be built to that position. That said, WWE's production quality and amount of TV coverage, is in theory good enough that they could accomplish that build within a few hours of someone debuting, and they often choose not to.

That's a great point.

It's also worth nothing that, from all accounts, WWE is booked for a target audience of one person: Vince McMahon and he is an aging workaholic who simply doesn't care about the world outside of WWE. He didn't know who Captain Jack Sparrow was but we expect him to know the best way to book Shinsuke Nakamura?

Plus, as I said in another thread, it's hard to claim that "Vince is bitter and sabotaging his own product" when the booking is shit for absolutely everyone. How come it's only bitterness when they misuse Goldberg or Sting but not Aleister Black, Rusev or Braun Strowman?

3 minutes ago, TomJones233 said:

Cage. That dude has Vince written all over him.

He's got "Suspended for breaching the Wellness Policy" written all over him.

Just now, LCJ said:

The Pat Patterson episodes of Something to Wrestle with Bruce Prichard were quite good listens. There were some funny stories that Bruce told. Was still quite sad overall though and Bruce gets upset towards the end.

Aye. I loved them both. The story about the two of them ribbing Jerry Jarrett made me burst out laughing in the middle of Lidl.

An unintentional highlight of the second one was Conrad scoffing at the idea that anyone watches adverts now. Makes me feel far better about skipping all of his.

12 minutes ago, LCJ said:

My original point was that people best known as the top guys in WCW (in this case, Sting) were prone to being buried (or at least under utilised) by WWE. There may have been a few exceptions (Flair being the obvious one) but as a whole, I would say that WWE have a history of burying and jobbing out the top guys from WCW. Vince saw Crockett/WCW as the enemy and he’d use any opportunity to job out WCW’s former top guys and make his promotion look like the superior brand.

Is that really true though?

Flair, Big Show, Booker, Benoit and Goldberg all got title runs at one point. Even Dusty, in the short time he was there, was working almost exclusively with top heels like Dibiase and Savage. That's hardly a burial is it? They also took really good care of him when he retired and even named a tournament after him.  I'm sure a lot of guys would love to be buried like that.

WWE misused Sting but his treatment was really no worse than a lot of people in WWE over the last ten years. Remember when they had Reigns CRY in the middle of the ring? Or when top heel Seth Rollins spent his first WWE Title run looking totally out of his depth and being constantly berated by HHH and Stephanie? Even fairly recently they had him piss his pants at the mere sight of The Fiend, as a top babyface. That's far more of a burial than how they used Sting.

Sometimes bad booking is just bad booking.

5 hours ago, wordsfromlee said:

From a kayfabe point of view, why would AEW hire that jobber who faced Abadon? It said it was her AEW debut and that she had a 0-5 record for 2020. You wouldn't see UFC signing a fighter who is on a 5-match losing streak. 

Speaking of Abadon, has there ever been a proper 'horror' gimmick done before in wrestling? There's been lots of spooky and supernatural gimmicks, and I know we have people like The Fiend and in the past guys like Kane, Undertaker, Boogeyman, but I wouldn't class them as horror as they were always presented like they were slightly toned down a bit.

Horror in wrestling always seemed to be done slightly campy and tongue-in-cheek. Like it was part of a comedy bit rather than trying to get actual scares.

Abadon has only made, what, four appearances? At that point Kane was a pure horror gimmick. He was an unstoppable masked monster who didn't seem to feel pain. It evolved past that, sure, but only because there's only so far a character like that can go.

Cornette certainly thought the Boogeyman was meant to be legitimately scary too. That's why he slapped Santino for not acting scared.

39 minutes ago, LCJ said:

WTF? How condescending. WWE don’t exactly have a history of treating former Crockett/WCW guys that well. Dusty Rhodes was made to wear polka dots and did more than his fair share of jobs (not to mention the gimmicks given to his sons). Vader was pushed as a badass in the main events in WCW but floundered in the mid card for most of his time in the WWF. DDP didn’t exactly have the greatest run in WWE either.

While that is true (at least some of it. Goldust is one of the best gimmicks of all time) it hardly proves that WWE were willing to sacrifice millions of dollars in potential revenue for "revenge" or to prove a point. They've always booked as if their fans are unaware of wrestling elsewhere and that people jumping ship need to be introduced within the context of WWE's current product. Ric Flair in 1991 is the only real exception, I can think of. Even the Invasion was a result of the Shane vs Vince storyline. It's not "revenge" as much as that they genuinely believe their hype.

I think they've also got the opposite problem that AEW do. While AEW seem to have different people booking different storylines, which can lead to things feeling disjointed (See the Dark Order reverting back to being a sinister cult for the Dustin segment, after months of being pure comedy) WWE has a big group booking everything, which means every decision is a compromise between that group. It's not surprising that they'd go with the simple, boring option of "Sting's from WCW. Let's make this WCW vs WWE!! Oh and we can bring out the NWO and DX!" rather than try to fight for anything that'd actually be creative or authentic to Sting's character.

16 minutes ago, waters44 said:

Is she getting payslips? Furlough pay has its own line on our payslips, no idea if that’s standard or just something our company does 

It appears on mine as well.

@Keith Houchen If she's not getting payslips then I'd get her to check her Income Tax at https://www.tax.service.gov.uk/check-income-tax/income-summary (though you need to sign up) and she'll be able to check what her employers are declaring that she's being paid every month.

It does sound really really dodgy though. Are they paying her any sick pay or anything? How do they expect her to live?

4 hours ago, Liam O'Rourke said:

Yeah, hopefully nobody falls for any of that bollocks. They were looking for reasons not to veer away from Hogan. That's all it is.

Oh totally.

It was one of those cunty bits of sabotage that end up being self-fulfilling too. They decided he "wasn't ready" so cut his balls off and killed his momentum, then when his title run wasn't great, they could be like "See! Told you he wasn't ready, brother!" Even if he really wasn't ready to carry the company, they could've put him over strong that night, kept his momentum going and then taken the title from him another time.

Same with Bret to an extent. They barely did anything with him that didn't include a reference to Montreal and then they were like "Yeah. Bret never got over Montreal".

2 hours ago, The Cutting Edge said:

Interesting that wcw was planning turning Sting into a crow character before the nwo, I wonder if they had any plans How'd they get him to the character, the nwo and wcw betrayal made sense although a bit emo and ott but got the job done.

His storyline with Luger could easily have led that way.

Luger was a heel, managed by Jimmy Hart and in the Dungeon of Doom, but Sting kept defending him and couldn't see his faults. Even when Luger was clearly fucking him over, doing stuff like signing them up to wrestle the Road Warriors, and then pulling out, so Sting had to team with Booker T in a match that went on forever.

If the Outsiders hadn't come in, it was only a matter of time before Luger turned on Sting. He kind of did anyway. It was Luger's mistrust of him, after Sting had shown him nothing but loyalty, that led to the gimmick change.

1 hour ago, westlondonmist said:

Regarding Starrcade 97, Sting may have been out of shape but that isn't (or at least isn't the only) reason it's shit. Hogan had been scared on Sting for months, then he basically beats the hell out of him for 10 minutes and pins him. The fast count got screwed up and then Sting wins. So Hogan got screwed over. Crappy booking from Bischoff and he's just blaming Sting to protect him and his mate. From what I remember every Hogan match in WCW was the drizzling shits bar some that involved Ric Flair or Randy Savage, and even some of them sucked balls; is Sting at fault for them too?

I think you might've got the wrong of the stick.

No one blamed Sting for the match quality. Bischoff's excuse for the shitty match lay out was because that they had to change it on the fly, because Sting wasn't mentally ready for the position that they were prepared to put him in. The fact he hadn't been working out and didn't have a tan were just the two examples he gave to back up that view.

It's also worth mentioning that I once read an interview with Nick Patrick where he said he'd been told to count normally.

That was weird.

Impact made themselves look so small time with all the hype for Omega and AEW. It felt exactly like old school TNA when they'd shit over their own roster every time an ex-WWE or WCW guy would turn up. It was full on "A Proper Star is here" tonight!! stuff. Omega comparing their titles to comic books that he's not particularly arsed about having is one thing, because he's an obnoxious dickhead heel. But having Rich Swann, their supposed top guy, doing the "Don't you know who I am?" bit to the security guard just made him look like a loser. What was the point in that?

I *know* Swann isn't on Omega's level, and Impact isn't on AEW's. I don't want to be reminded of that when I'm watching Impact though!

11 hours ago, Gay as FOOK said:

This sums it up. 

Sting's not on that much. Not even in retrospect. He doesn't get that Rolls-Royce Network treatment. I'm pretty much always happy to see him come out doing the Sting thing. 

On the subject of that Nitro book, it was interesting to read in it that part of the booking uncertainty in the hours before Starrcade 97 allegedly had to do with Sting not exactly showing up in the best of shape. I'd never really noticed it watching before (it's been years) because of how crap everything else is in that match. He's managed to keep his dark days under pretty respectful wraps. You end up landing on Christian news websites trying to hear a word from him on it. 

Bischoff talks about that on 83 Weeks all the time. They even sell a T-Shirt based on it. 

He doesn't go into much detail about what Sting's issues actually were but it doesn't come across like it was a drug problem. It was more that he was literally out of shape. He hadn't wrestled in years, hadn't been going to the gym, wasn't tanned and generally didn't look like he was" mentally ready" to carry the company

Of course that reasoning kind of lacks credibility since they still put the title on him and gave him a run. They just decided to cut his balls off first, and took Bret's too just for good measure.

1 hour ago, AVM said:

I'm sure this has been addressed before, but I'm feeling lazy.. How has Sting and his employers over the years been able to get away with riding so close to the Crow I.P.?

Depends on the company. A lot of them just don't give a shit. Konnan got his name off Conan The Barbarian, and even used the full name in Mexico, but the only time he heard anything about it was when he tried to trademark it. Even then he just got told not to take the piss.

Plus, as Tommy said, it would also have involved a long, costly, legal battle against Turner that they might not have won. Sting was obviously inspired by The Crow but there's enough unique characteristics (the baseball bat, the scorpion motif, not talking, descending to the ring from the roof, etc) to argue that it was a distinct character in it's own right.

42 minutes ago, Chest Rockwell said:

He really sounded like he was crying with laughter. He is one of the worst public speakers I've ever seen; why is he in this role?

I've had that exact thought so many times during this pandemic.

The Government are all shit but at least the rest of them try to hide it, or are kept away from the public eye as much as possible. Hancock is everywhere and he makes an arse of things every single time he talks. He can't even pretend to take things seriously and gets really arsey over even the most justified of criticism, like him spending £50,000 on takeaways or hugging his mate in Parliament, which he angrily defended because "I hadn't seen him in a while!"

He doesn't seem to have even a tiny bit of self-awareness, which is bizarre for a politician. 

It's been about ten years since I watched with any regularity. Maybe more.

WWE seemed to fall into a pattern where they'd do something incredible and I'd HAVE to watch to see how things played out and then they'd fuck it up, or just flat out abandon the storyline mid-way through. Nexus, Punk's Pipebomb promo, the ECW return, Awesome Truth, Kevin Owens megapush, Ryback and the Wyatts megapush all left me feeling like a fucking idiot for getting invested in the first place. It got to the point where I just stopped being arsed. I think the last time I watched regularly was during Seth Rollins awful first title run, which seemed to be booked solely to give Triple H and Stephanie an ego boost.

I would occasionally subscribe to the Network for the older stuff, NXT and/or Wrestlemania but Ashley Massaro's death put an end to that. Reading her statement was when it really hit home just what a shitty, immoral company I'd been supporting. I thought about all the other stuff I'd chosen to ignore - Nancy Argentino's murder and the Saudi shows being the main ones - and decided that I wasn't going to give them money ever again.

Strangely, I'm probably watching more wrestling right now than I have done at any point in the past. AEW's been great and I've finally started to get into NJPW after subscribing at the start of the year. I took out a free trial on Impact Plus as well, so I've watched the last few weeks of that too. There's so much accessible and affordable wrestling around that I really don't miss WWE at all.

14 minutes ago, JNLister said:

A) It was at the least implied that Callis "dropped" the mic by deliberately chucking it to Omega.

B) Omega specifically requested a gentleman's agreement not to use any weapons.

Fair enough about the Gentleman's agreement, I suppose, I just don't think the stuff with Callis came off as well as they'd hoped. It felt like the Commentators went from "Callis is showing concern for his friend, and rightly so" to shouting about a screwjob really really quickly. It doesn't even make sense from a kayfabe point of view either, since he was asking the Ref to stop the match. What if the Ref had listened?

Doesn't help that the microphone bit wasn't even the finish, which is something AEW have been guilty of before.

I appreciate I'm nitpicking here though. It was still an amazing show, and, even if the execution was slightly off, Callis being all "Fuck you guys! See you on Impact!" as he and Kenny ran to a waiting car makes it obvious that they'd planned something.

That was just great.

That was one of my favourite Battle Royals ever. I popped massively for Hangman and the Dark Order and Miro finally looked like a star. It was a good way to further the Inner Circle storyline as well. The only real negative was JR and Excalibur missing an elimination because they were too busy shilling insurance. Schiavone must be knackered carrying that team

I stupidly went on Facebook this morning and got the Main Event spoiled for me. I'm so glad that was the only thing, because Sting debuting was such a great moment and I'd have been gutted if I'd known it was coming.

I get that Abadon is scary but Shida is coming off like a cowardly heel Champion, which is an odd direction to go in. I'm guessing we're just supposed to forget that they've wrestled before and Shida won?

I was really enjoying the Main Event until the weird spot with the chairs, which really threw it off. The finish felt a bit off as well. Callis was trying to get the match stopped, dropped his microphone when Moxley punched him and Omega hit Moxley with it. How is that a screwjob?

Nitpicking aside, it was a good match over all and it is an interesting twist. I also noticed that they were name dropping and putting over New Japan guys on commentary as well, so it looks like something is going to come from that relationship too.

1 hour ago, DavidB6937 said:

Out of interest, when was the last time you watched it? It's been a really solid show over the past few years, even if no one watches it. I don't have time to watch it regularly but I've dipped in and out. They've really benefitted from just doing their own thing and not really being under the pressure of competing with WWE.

I've watched it the last couple of weeks. They recently teased that AJ Styles was coming back and delivered 

Not a great move for a company that's infamous for making big promises and not following through.

Omega apparently jumping now means that they've got THREE World Champions. Three! 

2 minutes ago, Tommy! said:

To play devil's advocate on that isn't it a wise tactic to try and use stealth and sneak in, especially when the initial party gets fucked? 

Isn't it also a common theme that within that world men are easily corrupted, dwarves are greedy & elves are elitist and selfish. It therefore the innocent purity of the hobbit that offers the best chance? 

Agreed. It was a political move.

None of the more powerful races like each other, and none of them would agree to let any of the others have the ring. Frodo was a safe choice since he was politically neutral. Especially with them all accompanying him. Plus he's a Hobbit. If the the ring DID corrupt him then just take it off him? What's he going to do? Mobilise the Shire?

The flying thing was a major plot hole though.

I'd be very surprised if Kenta was the attacker, just purely from a business point of view.

If they give the spot to a regular member of the AEW Roster then they've got a match, or a storyline, that they could potentially use to make money. If it's Kenta then they'd be using it to make New Japan money. It's a bit hard to build to a match which is already happening in another promotion. What does AEW gain from putting more eyes on WrestleKingdom?

I can see the two promotions working together on some level but cross-promoting storylines like that seems a step too far.

16 minutes ago, LaGoosh said:

Archer should be a babyface in the sense that his character is exactly the same, the only difference is he's beating up heels instead of babyfaces. They don't need to change anything. Big mental bloke who kills everyone works perfectly either good guy or bad guy.

Reading that actually made me realise what I disliked about that segment. I get that Archer doesn't like Kingston but rushing out specifically to save Pac really doesn't fit his character at all. He could've gone after Eddie at any point, while he was doing commentary, but he only came out when Pac was getting battered. It made it feel like a pure babyface move from a guy who, like you said, should just be going around killing everybody.

It felt like it could've done with a bit more build up and some explanation as to why he picked that particular moment. I mean, looking it up, it's been a month since Kingston, Fenix and Penta attacked him after his match with Moxley!

Like Hobbs last week, I've no problem with the turn itself. It's just felt like it was missing something in the execution.

It's such a small thing but I absolutely loved that Omega instinctively went for the belt rather than trying to attack Moxley or even protect himself. It just shows how obsessed he is with it. For a guy who was hyped for his in-ring work and long, epic matches, his ability to tell a story and make even the most minor details mean something is genuinely incredible.

I agree that Hobbs arrogant sneer was a bit silly and I was a bit disappointed that their follow up of him turning was.....nothing. They couldn't have him explain WHY he turned? Even if it was as simple as him being offended that Cody didn't include him in his expansion of the Nightmare Family? Instead Cody wasn't even bothered about it and they've made the feud about him, Taz and the FTW Title belt, instead of Hobbs.

Not sure Cody should be getting choked out by a guy who hasn't wrestled for 18 years either!

As great as John Silver has been recently, it does make me wonder what they are going to do when Brodie comes back. The Dark Order has basically become all about Silver since Brodie's been out and it's working really really well. It'll be a massive step back if they go back to just being Brodie's lackies BUT the alternative is splitting them up and/or turning them babyface. Hangman potentially joining complicates it even further. Nice problem to have though. I really didn't expect to ever be this invested in the Dark Order.

A nice wee touch was that Hagar and Wardlow were staring each other out in the background, even though you could barely see them. I really want to see them as a tag team who hate each other.

Like Hobbs turn last week, I don't know how to feel about Lance Archer at the end. I get that it was a receipt for Kingston and crew saving Moxley from Archer a few weeks ago but it felt like a babyface move, and that could've done with a bit more build up than that. Especially since two of the guys he saved were Kingston's mates when they attacked him!

3 minutes ago, BigJag said:

 

Could you expand on "the red wall crumbled". I'm a bit of a luddite when it comes to some of this.

Another thing that comes up from my colleagues is a seemingly unshakable opinion that Corbyn is a wrong un. It's even been mentioned on a Rogan podcast. I keep trying to figure out what he's done that is so wrong. He does seem to have handled the anti- semitic investigation improperly.  Is that what they've hung their hat on with Corbyn?

Supposedly safe Labour seats in the North of England went to the Tories last year.

Corbyn's had years and years of the worst media coverage of any politician I can remember. Everything he did was twisted, by the media, The Tories and the Labour Party itself, to try and make him look bad. For example, saying he'll reverse austerity and reverse Tory cuts became "HE'LL BANKRUPT THE COUNTRY!!!" Supporting a second EU referendum AFTER a deal has been negotiated became "HE'S TRYING TO SABOTAGE BREXIT!!!" Loads of focus on whether he was bowing deeply enough at the Cenotaph or whether his poppy was big enough, while Johnson turned up looking half cut, and the BBC ran old footage of him instead. He even once got heavily criticised for meeting with "the wrong kind of Jews".

After all that constant negativity, it was inevitable that some of it would seep into the public consciousness. It's the whole "repeat a lie enough times and it becomes fact" thing. Meanwhile the Tories just keep on killing people.

8 hours ago, BomberPat said:

I just don't understand what the narrative arc of a Hulk Hogan movie will be. It's not going to cover his whole career, so will likely end at WM3 by the sounds of things. But it's not like he's Bruno overcoming childhood infirmity and surviving the Nazis, or Flair coming back from the plane crash, he's a huge bloke who was very quickly a star everywhere he went and then remained that way - in the scope of the movie, there's no real threat to his position. So where's the stakes, where's the peril?

Surely it'll just be the old "Wrestling only existed in small, dingy clubs and was run by crooks before Hulk and Vince came along and made it mainstream" story? You'll get Hogan as the nice guy who just wants to entertain people and put smiles on kids faces, fighting against the politics and bullying of the wrestling business. Big scene at the start will be Hiro Matsuda breaking Hogan's leg on his first day of training, because he just wouldn't quit, brother. There will probably be a bit where an old school promoter refuses to give Hogan "The Belt", despite his popularity, because he's "not a real wrestler" and end it with him proving everybody wrong at Wrestlemania 3.

Jesus. I've got no words @Suplex Sinner. That's absolutely horrific.

Sending my condolences to you and your family.

17 hours ago, Vamp said:

2) JR sounds like he doesn't want to be there.

Oh he doesn't.

I feel sorry for J.R. I used to listen to his podcast regularly but it was impossible to ignore his bitterness towards the wrestling business, and how he got treated in WWE. He's constantly on the defensive, sarcastically apologising to anyone who criticises him, or even people who might potentially criticise him. It's a really painful listen.

He's my favourite play by play guy of all time but wrestling has changed and now he's trying to put over a product that he doesn't care about. He's Bobby Heenan in WCW basically. He also seems to have fallen into the trap of thinking that most of the viewers share his opinions, and that it's not a big deal to mix up wrestlers names, etc, because nobody really cares about them. He was openly shitting on New Japan while doing New Japan's commentary, which is insane really.

He's said that wrestling is all he has now that his wife died, which is really really sad. They'll never fire him but they'd be best keeping him for pre-taped backstage interviews and hype packages.