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That Warriors wrestling return which I was stoked for was 12 years ago, which predates my wife and 4 kids. That in itseld being 10 years since his last match!.... And he's been dead 6 years! 

Halloween Havoc 98. 

One can only imagine what insanity (and powder) was going on behind the scenes to churn out this! 

This is terrific in its badness and baffling lineup. Probably sporting the greatest wrestling roster in history at the time and you end up with:

Wrath, meng, Disco, Finlay, Wright, Saturn, Lodi etc on the card??? 

An utter mess form start to finish the highlight is of course the 8 years in the making rematch between Hogan and Warrior. 

A match they try and recreate spot for spot.... Badly! 

Warrior, about 30lbs shy of his 1990 self, a tonne of ring rust and 2 torn biceps has the timing of norman wisdom in there and Hogan (usually a reliable hand) is equally off. 

A highlight is an insane botch where Hogan tries to throw a fireball in warriors face but only manages to hit his own boat! 

The beauty of this ppv is that it was right in wcw hot period, features hogan, warrior, Hall, nash, steiner, sting, ddp, bret Hart, Goldberg  etc and yet is still prolapse inducingly bad! 

https://youtu.be/H2rQPSGbMkA

The sudden heel turn in a tag match is a great one. Especially when the heel is super smug in the act whilst the baby face looks devastated. 

It's so much better when youve got a megastar as the one getting screwed (ala Hulk) 

I love this one in particular. Just such a pure cuntish thing to do. 

Sid plays it to utter perfection! 

Jesus look at that right leg!!!! 

Guy doesn't age tho. Dye that hair and beard black and he's near identical to 94

On 1/5/2020 at 7:03 PM, IANdrewDiceClay said:

Holy fuck! 

Did he lose his Ddp yoga dvd? That weight can't be good for his back?? 

As stated its gloriously fucked up! 

12 hours ago, garynysmon said:

That's Hulk and not his mate Randy, believe it or not. 

Looks like a jacked up santa! 

Tenta at 29!!!! Above

And below aged 28  and 33 in 96!

One of my happiest 16bit memories was wwf royal rumble on the snes in I think 93. 

Got the snes super Mario lost levels console and pack and conned by dad into shelling out about 50 notes for RR. 

Literally played the shit out of it https://youtu.be/5VVT6rYG1nI

On 10/21/2019 at 4:23 PM, Accident Prone said:

I'll never get tired of seeing this game get flayed online.

Holy fuck. That's amazing. 

It does make me wonder  what the QC guy is up to???

It's unforgivable to release something as staggeringly fucked and broken as this. 

Given we are not looking GTA or Call of Duty level Of design, graphics, or mechanics it's unfathomable to me how this stuff is allowed through 

On 10/19/2019 at 2:06 PM, Gay as FOOK said:

Flair in 2k20. 

I burst out laughing. 

https://youtu.be/yXdylzI3U_c

HCTP is better 

It's dismal how nigh on 18 years in that they've barely made wrestling graphics better than what was on PS2. 

Utterly shameful! 

Is this seriously the graphics for the latest game? 

Fucking horrendous! 

F me Ian when you put it like that no wonder it didn't work out

He isnt Factom

Thats Joshua. 

Fury is smart, Wilder despite being Mr Ko hasn't captured the American public and can't sell out his living room. It just won't be huge in America even after the last fight. 

Fury wants the Wilder fight and for the Saudis to want it and pay over the odds to get it (ala Joshua vs ruiz 2). 

By appearing in wwe and  Fury will totally up his value there and I can see wilder vs fury in Saudi next year. 

2 hours ago, Louch said:

Your obsession over Bischoff using the budget given to him being all he had, and ignorance of Heyman using the bank of mum & dad as his funds, just blatantly ignoring anything creative Eric done. 

Heyman was Bowler with richer parents

If you look back through my posts you'll see that I've said that Eric has had the greater company achievement and Heyman the greater personal.  I haven't said 1 is better than the other. 

I will say though that what has eric achieved outside that amazing run when he didnt have the resources Turner 94-98 gave him? 

I will state it again though, Eric's budget enabled him to do what he did, without it you don't have nWo, you don't weaken WWF buy poaching it's talent and you cnat manipulate broadcasting schedules. 

Not saying nWo wasn't amazing. It was and did start the boom period. Unfortunately there was no succession planning. When nWo ran its course the wheels came off. 

In retrospect that big wcw run killed the business as the fall from grace was huge, they went out of business thereby removing any alternative working places for talent and allowing wwf to slowly get lazier and lazier due to lack of competition. 

Had there been a long-term plan and far better staff, finance and product management they may still be about now. 

For me nothing beats Showdown Legends of wrestling  for disappointment. 

The greatest roster ever in a game along with arenas and its so unforgivably shit. 

It's unplayable due to the controls, bugs and generally faulty game code. 

God if someone could recode that and sort the moves out I'd play it now

1 hour ago, Louch said:

The absolute lack of self awareness of just repeating wwe version of history isnt as funny now it’s kept going 

I'm the last person to go with wwe version of events. 

I'd love to know exactly what I'm wrong about

40 minutes ago, David said:

He didn't have unlimited money. He had a very good budget, and was able to offer deals that WWF at the time refused to match. Also, let's not pretend that WWF couldn't match them, WWF didn't want to match them. We're not talking about a company that was operating on a shoestring budget as Vince would have you believe. 

David do you really think Vince chose not to not match them and lose x amount of his biggest names overnight by choice? 

Look at the venues WWF we're playing in back then? Even the talent has said that cheques were plateaud, they were getting luncheon meat at venues and waiting for WM payoffs.

Turner was a billionaire then, owned networks, America football teams and all sorts. Him and Vince were at polar opposites financially back then. 

If you can afford to offer guys like Lanny  Poffo $500k to sit and home and never debut in 3 years then your pissing money. 

Im a massive fan of that period and Eric did hit paydirt however as has been said that 2 year fire period was totally undone in the next 2. 

When that nWo run culminated at Starcade and they botched the end with Sting that was in effect the death of WCW. After that it was all downhill.

Massive roster of superstars on megabucks and not a clue what to do with them, hence the horrific ppvs and shows they started knocking out. 

Hence the one trick pony. 

Vince did the same in the 80s for sure (buy talent) however he creates something that's lasted 40 years. 

Coming back to the Heyman vs Eric argument. 

Eric was already at a billionaire plaything with huge resources and money. Paul created a wrestling fed from scratch, landed a TV deal, figure deal, game deal and fed wwf with talent. 

Both wcw and ecw died so that's a tie however 1 was a one man band one wasnt. 

To achieve what Paul did in itself was huge. 

Onto places in the industry as I said one has the greater impact and legacy (eric), one has the greater personal achievement (heyman). 

As for names ( ring in rvd, hogan, Hall etc) not popping crowds and using tna as an example. It was a totally different time, tna had limited broadcast markets, the stars were far older, the product was chronically oversaturated and its been done before. 

Why aren't WCW still in business? 

Because

the product was dead by 1999,

they were paying c list talent huge money 

There networks merged and it became a product they didn't want

Eric was burnt out by 1998 and had nothing left in tank and was removed. 

Wcw had poached all the talent and by 200p the networks were not going to let them offer Austin, and rock stupid money. 

WWF with the influx of new fresh talent was better. 

. 

2 minutes ago, David said:

The key factor for me was that Bischoff's run actually helped turn a professional company around, rather than shafting talent with cheques that bounced and generally being shit at business like Heyman was.

Also, it wasn't "one good run" it was "the fucking definitive run" when it came to competing with the juggernaut that is WWF. That cannot be overstated.

I know Heyman is the darling of a decent chunk of the wrestling fanbase, and he has done some great things, but by fuck is his legacy seen through rose-tinted glasses.

I prefer Eric over Paul 10000% however the reality is that he:

Had unlimited funds 

Owner who owned the network (and could play funny business with timings)

 That's a huge factor whether anyone wants to believe it or not.

He could offer a much richer package than WWF. 

That was a amazing run but it wasn't sustainable and Whatsmore it pretty much did kill the company financially when the bubble burst. 

Im not saying its not incredible it is, however you have to look at what came after, and what they had to work with. 

Heyman has the greater body of work for an individual. 

Eric has the greater industry achievement. 

22 minutes ago, Louch said:

Love wwe version of history. Yeah absolutely everything was about the money and nothing to do with anything creatively in wcw or how they presented themselves. All about stealing wwf talent and nothing else 

The money is what brought them to the table. Does anyone really think that if Eric didn't have the money to buy talent that they'd have ever competed 

Yes the story lines early on where great and nWo was fantastic however it wouldn't have worked without the talent. 

Even with flair, rude, sting, vader etc wcw  was still always no 2. 

Whatsmore by 1998 wcw was done, stale and a mess. All the stars were still there it just ran out of ideas, stars became insane divas, money was spent on insane ideas and it imploded. 

Dont forget even when hogan, savage etc came over in 94 wcw was still miles behind.  Alot of wcw appeal was "who will jump from wwf" or appear next. Basically when wcw had bought all it could and that factor went they had little to play out once the nWo became stale and died. WCW BIG run was an amazing one trick pony. It didn't  know what to do after that trick was done. 

That's why I rate Heyman higher. He's had continued personal success in wrestling (not talking financial here)  with just himself and far less resources. 

I think Heymans legacy is actually far more substantial than Eric's and I like Eric. 

Manager in WCW

Created and booked ECW - which did get a TV, game, and figures deal. 

Mainstreamed hardcore wrestling. 

Resurrected alot if careers and fed the then WWF with alot of fresh talent. 

Writes for wwe creative and has done for years

Was on the wwf payroll when at ecw and prob has been in some way for last 25 years. 

Still a face on TV now 25+ years later. 

Heck of a lot for 1 guy, no matter how some of it ended up. 

Very very very smart man and I'm sure the kind of workaholic bastard Vince loves. 

Eric basically the only guy to have his company beat Vince in the TV ratings for 80 odd weeks.  Helluva achievement and only guy to do it.  - bankrolled by a billionaire who'd let him pay lanny poffo 500k a year to sit at home waiting on a call. 

Take out Turners dosh and it doesn't happen! 

Eric basically had 1 run for 4 years, 2 on top, which he bought with Turners money. 

That's it.

Heyman has had a whole career. 

Both massive legacys in there own way however I think Heymans is the more impressive from a 1 man achievement point of view. 

Shut your mouth was the most fun I've ever had in a wrestling game. Just for the nWo bit. It was just so much fun to play. 

Best overall game for gameplay wise and options for me was  'here comes the pain'

Personally don't think anything else has come close 

Tbh I think it's what used to make Wrestling great, everyone had a moveset that suited them, so each were different and that's how I think it should be.

Jim Brunzel had an incredible dropkick  by the way. The height he'd get was something else. 

Does Rude's "what I'd like to have right now" schick count. 

Just used to worship how he'd come in and insult everyone for no reason whatsoever just for his own personal gratification. 

Heenans 10000% Pro biased Commentary for Flair at RR 92 is also a thing of beauty!