JakeRobertsParoleOfficer
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I give up with you lot!
This forum has always been a w**k fest for a few Mods with a god complex but in last few years it's become rediculous.
There's about 6 posters on here that basically make this forum up and if it doesn't fit with there opinion of wrestling it gets derision and cained.
May as well just close the forum to new users.
To whomever has the authorisation please delete my account.
Oh and this isn't a petulant, rant or sulk, I'm just fucking off!
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I still find it hard to believe that no one can see that by not changing up his image and colours that a cash cow in merchandise was lost???
If you own a black sting shirt why buy another one??? If there's a palette of colours and variants of design it just opens far more options and sales potential.
It's why cena kept changing colours, Mysterio changes masks etc.
Someone like sting with the paint and symbol was a total missed opportunity given it was part of his character, and not something like Austin and Rock whom had a locked in look but a massive amount of catchphrases to blast accross shirts.
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The BFG look was what I was trying to get at.
If he'd gone that way and changed up the colours etc you'd pretty much have a continually great look.
It he'd broke out 'crow' Sting when needing to go dark and 'wolfpac' style Sting when he needed to crazy you could have had the equivalent of the 3 faces of Foley (BFG hybrid, Crow, wolfpac) which would have been far more interesting.
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That was my point.
Did his lack of "oopmh" in that dept cost him a big wwf Contract earlier?
All those other changes lasted a very short time, either 1 event or a couple of months at most... In 23 years!
At the least it must have hurt merchandising, fan interest and potential options.
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I think Hogan is the exception. His look ha seen iconic twice
Red/yellow and nWo
He also has far more crossover appeal than Sting and an iconic look whereby probably more people recognise him globally than the US president.
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Hi guys
Sting became the Crow in what 97 with The white/black and Barring a short run as red 'wolfpac' Sting
He has kept the same look until WcW shut in 01.
After that Barring his 2006 semi 'hybrid' surfer,/wolfpac/Crow vs Jarrey at BFG
And 'Joker' Sting in 2011
Its pretty much been this:
Since 1997 (only the hair has receded)
Was it laziness and comfortability that stopped him updating it as I always found face painted wrestlers interesting as they could keep changing up their look. Sting did it pre Crow and if there was one thing you can Say about Warrior but fuck his image was amazing and he always changed his paint and gear up.
I think if he'd changed his look up (always loved Wolfpac version) and kept it exciting like Warrior, WWF would have been more inclined to make him a BIG offer as he'd have been a hot property as though he did some great stuff in TNA it wasn't 'BIG' scale and he kinda became stale and 'part of the furniture' as opposed to the wow 'look at Sting'.
Yes wwf brought him in but that was really a cash out by Steve in a "I'm 55, I think I'll get the HOF, DVD and Wm payday now that tna can't pay me 400k pa" deal and his look (and hair) didn't scream effort.
He arguably phoned alot of it in during his tna run and by default his look has been outdated from the 90s as the 'Avenging angel' had nothing to avenge after wcw and the nwo died.
What do you think?
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50 minutes ago, Chris B said:
But does it make him look more like a wrestler than 99% of the talent today?
It would if it was his dad.
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1 hour ago, IANdrewDiceClay said:
Because he's shit, has no charisma, unlikeable and his Dad's a pain in the arse to work with.
Ian just nailed it:
He's literally everything his dad wasn't.
He shouldn't wear his dad's stuff as it just further emphasises hows what an utterly shit Scott Hall copy he is.
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1 hour ago, IANdrewDiceClay said:
His snooker waistcoat looks like a gun holster belt. Didnt he get a pacemaker fitted soon after this and never worked since? I dont know if many wrestlers have this picture up on the gym wall for inspiration.
Hi Ian. Almost.
Epic bender during the week after this. There was some vague reference to getting on the gas to get down to 254lbs on one of his "last call with Scott Hall" vids he was doing on YouTube when he'd joined TNA, prior to this appearance.
If I recall he had a massive drinking binge that went on for a few months after this (probably realising he'd fucked his last chance) culminating with him getting hospitalised near death.
Could be a combo of gear + being 50 and on drink/drugs, a lifetime of doing drugs and booze, or a combo of all 3!
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Also says alot that despite being in his 50s here:
And.... Far from his peak he still looks 99% more a wrestler than most of the guys today
The last time I marked out.... And got conned:
Looks the shit! Best he's looked in 8 years! The Razor hair back........everyone creams themselves over it...... So he decides to celebrate the plaudits with a 2 day bender, manages to upset everyone in tna, upset aload of patrons in the florida bars, get arrested and sacked!
All that... And still luv the bastard!
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I wish someone in the last 10 years could have delivered something 1/4 as good as this shit:
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Razors edge will always be my favourite finisher!!
That whole Razor run with his look, cool as fuck theme music, physique, promos everything! Just basically the definition (for me at least) of what I want/imagine a wrestler to be... Larger than life to not look like a regular human but not so over the top its rediculous (Adam bomb etc)!
Hairy, greaser guys wearing gawdy shit just shouldn't look this fucking boss!!!
Does say alot. About how awesome Scott was in the role as he looks amazing here:
And then you see this guy
Who Rip the fella but looks a tit (what were they thinking)
The gimmick could have been a lame duck but Hall nailed it!
Quite odd that I could name you so many of his wwf Razor matches, and alot of there content but virtually fuck all of his WCW run.
In one of my 'sliding doors' fantasies he returns to wwf in 2002/3 as Razor with a slightly less 96 neon pink type attire.
Actually razor vs rock, Austin, Angle etc would have been gold and the pop he'd have got winning the 'big' one would have been Huge!!!
A motivated Hall vs Angle if written well could have been proper promo and vignette gold. Angle working himself up Into an utter frenzy trying to get to him and Razor being macho cool and disregarding him repeatedly could have been amazing.
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This will always be my defining Scott Hall moment:
Loved the Razor character
Whilst he was compensated well and was integral to kickstarying the Monday night Wars, creatively I thought it was the shits for him.
Burried balls Deep in his own arse, obnoxious, booze and coke up un managed Hall ala:
Did nowt for me!
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He was 43/44 in 02. Still looked the part physically:
Still had the hair (still does now) & style lent itself to longevity. He could conceivably got another 10 yrs out of wwf if he'd kept it together. Looking back I'd have preferred it if he'd came back as Razor.
That 18 months after that wwf run he looked like this shows just how badly he let it go
That he looked decent again in 2010 after caining it for 5+ years was a miracle... Tho we all know. What happened after.
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Hi guys
Where has time gone? Can't believe it's 10 years since the quasi Wolfpac/nWo reunion in TNA.
Now 62 I think Halls last match was 2010.
Looling back, where do we rate Hall??
Personally loved his Razor 'run'. Still remember staying up silly late to watch live wwf Povs on Nynex. Pinning Backlund, the whole 123 kid stuff.... Ladder match. Couldn't get enough of it.
His later Wcw stuff I was in/out of as preferred 'razor' over Hall, tho acknowledge there was alot of crossover at times.
Remember being thrilled when he returned to wwf in 02 but didn't last long then tried to follow his later runs via Internet and tape traders.
I was so pleased when he showed up to tna looking like this:
Genuinely thought he had one last good run. Shame he fucked it literally the following week!!!
So where'd you rate him? Was he the modern Rick Rude? Should he have held the World title?, did he reach his limit??
I think he was a super worker that achieved his limit. I just can't see him as a world champion, yet I can see Warrior and Goldberg as one???
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I seriously doubt that we'll get even 5% of the utter wrong'un stuff that's gone on. For one thing there are so, so so many people dependant on wwe for their income, potentially future income or next gens income that they'll be unlikely to say:
"Back in xxx Vince made me mainline Tren for fun, gift my wife to him sexually, abused me royally Infront of my peers an demanded I work 300 days in a row with 2 broken legs etc etc"
What the majority of us want to known is the 'real' sinister, bent shit as its what we've all been quasi fact fantasising about for years.
Given what we already know (and how bad it is) and didny bother to all out quash one can only wonder about the real 'shit' they've had to cover up/payoff/blackmail out of.
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Don't they have Google over there???
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I'd image a HUGE amount.
Tbh, you only have to look at the dynamite and davey, one minute there 15-16 and about 100lbs each. 5 years later rock solid 240-250lbers!!!
130lbs of muscle in 5 year's!!! Christ pro bodybuilders can't do that, and they're not' on the road' and competing in a cardio extreme industry.
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8 hours ago, Egg Shen said:
the documentary is worth a watch, its an entertaining 90mins and Arquette comes off well.
It does baffle me that so many fans have a hatred towards him cause he was written into a show to win a fake title. Never quite understood how fans take it all so seriously.
I think its because we all like to suspend disbelief and something like this utterly breaks the wrestling 'bubble'
By default the 'champion' is this 'super hero/villain' who exists in their own world.
When something from another world enters it, it kind of breaks the 4th wall and feels wrong.
It's akin to Arnie showing up as the actual terminator and winning the title. It would feel rediculous. Same as if an actor does it.
It didn't feel great when wwf tried it with Zeus and the whole "no holds barred", debacle and jeez Zeus was a Huge roid monster who looked the part.
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I absolutely hated ready to rumble, and anything associated with it.
Quite how Wcw took the greatest assembled roster of all time and still managed to top itself is beyond me.
I know we can blame aol/time Warner merger, however looking back some of that shit is so irredeemable and unwatchable that u just know its the result of drug supported creativity.
Looking back its another key moment warrior was involved in. Going maverick and cunting up prime time live TV did wcw no favours did it!
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Always hated the 'make it real as poss' ethos.
If you want a career as a wrestler as your living surely longevity is the goal and being able to work day??
Killing yourself in front of a hall holding 30 people for fuck all makes no sense.
The biggest stars and earners in wrestling for. The most part were:
Hogan
Warrior
Rock
Austin
Cena
Sting
Common denominator, is all worked a style you could do nightly and made it based on character and wrestling style that worked for them.
Wrestling appeal was it was always a suspension of disbelief and the characters excitement etc.
I wouldn't want to watch 'rigged' mma and you may as well watch the real stuff.
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I have to agree.
Owen was flashier than Bret with a more diverse moveset however, for all the reasons mentioned above he wasnt better.
Bret could have belters with everyone from 123 kid to bam bam, whereas Owen didn't have that versatility.
Would it have come.... Don't know. I think if it was going to happen it would have.
As an aside, we all know Bret loves himself. I'll give him absolute credit for his ring work, he was fantastic, however what he's never seemed to grasp (bizaarely) is that someone like Hogan was a great worker in that what he did was successful, worked and brought in mega money and attention to the sport.
As pure as his ring work was, no way does wrestling take off in the 80s the way it did if u had a Bret as Champ.
Love him, hate him or indifference to him, wrestling took off because you had someone who looked like this
A real life fucking cartoon character.
Hogan:
Look:10
Promo:10
Work: 10
That Bret doesn't see it just shows that sadly he missed the whole point of wrestling (spectacle) which has been the subject of many previous posts
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10 hours ago, AndiRush said:
Mate, he got bummed in prison and sold it like a pro, surely deserves an extra point on the promo and work scale for that alone?
I fucking loved those summerslam prison vignettes.
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Things like this never reflect reality as its so subjective.
Warrior would be
Look:10
Promo:1 or 10 (depending on what you go for)
Work: 1
So he scores either 12 or 22 and yet earned far more than anyone not named Hogan from about 89-98 and still had Vince trying to reverse sacks of cash onto his driveway in 98 due to star power.
Everyone dogged on Warrior yet I doubt none wouldn't have traded places with him in a heartbeat!
Scott Hall passes away
in UK Fan Forum
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Havent posted here in a long time.
This hit hard. Hall as Razor for me was my wrestling bubble when I obsessed with it 92-96.
Had it all, and gutted how he went out.
I was lucky to have a few DM with him when he started ddp yoga and I was balls deep in it.
To make matters worse it's how my mum went, though not exactly. Broken hip then dead 6 months later.
Wasn't mates with him, didn't know him, or hang around with him yet I feel like my life will be bizaarely less without him there??? (same with rich piana)
I hope he finds peace!!