Mab Posted September 5, 2007 Share Posted September 5, 2007 When was this Foley-McMahon alteration? The last time I remember Vince nailing Foley was at Wrestlemania X7 when Foley was the guest referee for Vince vs Shane! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Stevie C Posted September 5, 2007 Share Posted September 5, 2007 Didn't the Dynamite kid say something to the effect that if Chris keeps copying his style that he was going to have problems in later life? I'm sure I heard/read a comment like that somewhere, in which case it makes this even more sad as he was so right but no one listened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Surf Digby Posted September 5, 2007 Paid Members Share Posted September 5, 2007 Didn't the Dynamite kid say something to the effect that if Chris keeps copying his style that he was going to have problems in later life? I'm sure I heard/read a comment like that somewhere, in which case it makes this even more sad as he was so right but no one listened.He's quoted earlier in this thread, ending his message with "I'm glad he's dead". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigBoot Posted September 5, 2007 Share Posted September 5, 2007 How touching of Dynamite twelve_grand - Thanks for the explanation. Not that I ever thought McMahon was a saint (he's a ruthless businessman in a sleazy business) but that's low. No it wouldn't stand up in court (and no Foley wouldn't be the person who'd want to do that), but it does give an insight into at least one example of what Vince considers acceptable behavior towards talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twelve_grand Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 This is very worrying. I've always considered a concussion as one of the minor injuries a wrestler suffers (with the exception of a few cases, ie: Bret Hart, Steve Blackman, etc..). It wouldn't be difficult to think back and come up with a lot of bangs to the heads of wrestlers that could have caused this kind of injury. Off the top of my head, there's Kurt vs Shane's street fight when he doesn't go through the glass and takes an unprotected bump onto his head on concrete, the announcers table collapsing as HHH tries to pedigree Kurt, Lesnar's WM19 SSP, TAKA's rumble elimination, and so on.Also, I've had 2 concussions so far, so go gently with me.Yep - I think I've been knocked out about 6 times (several of those at a very young age), as is the way of these things I think I was concussed a couple of times but not sure - so all good!What the evidence suggests (and most UK sports recognise) is that repeated concussions within a short period of time is an extremely bad thing. And having multiple concussions over a longer period of time increases risks. Therefore having undiagnosised and untreated (by rest periods in sports) is a very bad thing. Surprisingly enough the culture of wrestling in particular hits all of the boxes. Think how long the wrestlers you names above (and there are a huge number of non-obvious concussions in wrestling) took off after suffering those injuries! In fact most of them gutted out the match and took more impact moves.The latest research is producing strong evidence that head injuries (probably caused by concussions) in american football and wrestling can be linked with a wide range of psycolocial (sp!) symptons - which might hopefully lead to improvements in American Football (conpulsory sit out periods of 3 weeks for concussions similar to rugby). In wrestling I'd hope for brain scans to be introduced to the wellness test - however I suspect they might have to take the whole rota off the road so don't hold your breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 Did the Dynamite quote come from a reputable source? I mean I was under the impression Billington was a bit of a Lord Lucan ie untraceable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted September 6, 2007 Paid Members Share Posted September 6, 2007 That's the effect that wrestling 'Benoit style' for 20 years will have on the brain. This has to be about as extreme a case as you can possibly get. It's a bit melodramatic to say that you don't want to have any interest in wrestling anymore having seen this as if it happens to everyone who ever steps in the ring. Think how OTT Benoit pushed himself, you would almost have to litterally go out of your way to end up with results like that.Dunno about that. Concussions were absolutely rife on a nightly basis in ECW for example, or off the top of my head, Vampiro getting two concussions two nights running in WCW as one example out of a thousand, so there might be a hundred ticking time bombs out there. Probably not on as grand a scale as Benoit, but on the level of the Smothers post above, Dick Slater stabbing his girlfriend, Mike Awesome hanging himself, or whatever other wacky behaviour everyone just puts down to "ah, those crazy wrasslers."Yes, but to be fair, ECW's style was always hell-for-leather, much less restrained than the WWE or WCW styles. It was the template for RoH, which is a very "extreme" style as well.If you were to wrestle WoS, Memphis, WCW or WWF/E style, you probably stand less chance of receiving that many concussions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kayfabeusmonkeyus Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 Heehee, if I'm masata tanaka's wife and kids right now I'm bricking it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted September 6, 2007 Paid Members Share Posted September 6, 2007 Heehee, if I'm masata tanaka's wife and kids right now I'm bricking it....Most likely. Not just from ECW, but FMW as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kayfabeusmonkeyus Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 Heehee, if I'm masata tanaka's wife and kids right now I'm bricking it....Most likely. Not just from ECW, but FMW as well.He really was headshot-tastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Psygnosis Posted September 6, 2007 Paid Members Share Posted September 6, 2007 Heehee, if I'm masata tanaka's wife and kids right now I'm bricking it....Heehee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kayfabeusmonkeyus Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 Heehee, if I'm masata tanaka's wife and kids right now I'm bricking it....Heehee? Always heehee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted September 6, 2007 Paid Members Share Posted September 6, 2007 Heehee, if I'm masata tanaka's wife and kids right now I'm bricking it....Heehee? Always heeheeNot hoho? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiroNakamura Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 Does no one think its about time this thread was locked and put away to rest. Need to start moving on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted September 6, 2007 Paid Members Share Posted September 6, 2007 Does no one think its about time this thread was locked and put away to rest. Need to start moving on...Not really - there are still further developments to follow, it seems. It's not just about Benoit's death, it's about the impact he had, and the implications for the industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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