Familiar_To_Millions Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Haye is not the popularity-wise superstar he might think he is, but he is without doubt the Boxing superstar he thinks he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_the_Lion Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 (edited) But Joe would be 6-7 years younger, fitter and stronger as well. Â It's a meaningless argument, though, because they didn't fight 6-7 years ago. Mike Tyson in his prime would have smoked the Muhammad Ali who was still fighting in 1982. What does that prove? Â I was a fan of RJJ in his prime as well, but he took the fight and got absolutely dominated by Joe. 6-7 years ago anything could have happened, but unless you've got that prototype time machine in your shed it seems such a bad way of discussing boxing. Â So by that logic I would be right in assuming that you have no opinion on the following "Samuel Peter would beat Joe Louis"? Edited November 14, 2008 by Joe_the_Lion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Famous Mortimer Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Not particularly. If the only difference was time, then maybe, but it isn't. Just like the Olympic gold medal track athletes of Joe Louis' time wouldn't get through their national trials today, so Joe Louis would almost certainly be beaten handily by Samuel Peter. He'd struggle against journeymen guys from 2008 too, which doesn't make him any less brilliant or them any less average Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted November 16, 2008 Author Paid Members Share Posted November 16, 2008 well Haye/Barrett had come and gone...and i have to admit, it was probably the most entertaining heavyweight fight in years. From the moment Monty fell over the ropes on his entrance i knew we were in for a classic. Â It was a good ol' slug fest, stumbles, knockdown, bombs landing. It was great stuff, and the o2 crowd was f'n electric. I ain't heard a boxing crowd like that in some time. Â With all the shit about Haye not being able to sell tickets, the guy delivered. It wasn't the most artisically pleasing performance but it was fucking great to watch. I don't think he'll be having as many problems selling tickets next time. Heavyweight boxing needed this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikey Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 First, he wants to be a promoter and spits a reported Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larryboy Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 Are you Frank Warren, Larry? Â No, just a guy who knows a bit about boxing. I specialise in translating what boxers/promoters are saying into what they actually mean. Â Haye's management lined up young up-and-comer JD Chapman who is ranked 12th by the WBA and 7th by the WBO and Chapman backed out due to money concerns. Due to his crushing defeat to Ruslan Chagaev, Skelton is currently unranked. Barrett is 6th by the WBO. Â The sanctioning bodies rankings are absolutely worthless. I'm assuming you checked the guy ranked above Barrett by the WBO is still alive? Because you never know with them. Then there's the WBA and WBC, who don't have Wladimir Klitschko anywhere within their rankings. How can you not have the man who virtually everyone on earth acknowledges as the best heavyweight boxer in your rankings? Well, he's a rival organisations champ, so he apparently doesn't count. WBA/WBC/WBO/IBF rankings should not be used to suport any argument. The IBO do fairly good ones. But using the common sense rankings, Matt Skelton who lost his last match by UD to an undefeated world title holder with and olympic gold medalist should be ranked higher than a guy who got KO'd in 2 last summer by Cliff Couser, a journeyman 25-12-2 at the time. It's not like he's beaten anyone of consequence since, just some 7 foot basketball player. So while technically David Haye can fulfill this agreement he has with Setanta sports to only fight top 10 contenders or whatever it is, Barrett isn't a contender in 2008 and I'm sure he knows it. Â Warren doesn't have that much pull and he's not that good a promoter. Why would Haye's management put him in with a dirty, old boxer whose most famous fight saw him attempt to headbutt his opponent inside the first 10 minutes. Â I disagree, I don't like Frank Warren much but he knows how to promote a card, look at Haye vs Maccaranelli, they fight was everywhere and it sold out. If I wasn't a boxing fan I wouldn't have known this match was on. Â Why would they put him in with Skelton? that's a fair point, Haye was looking to make a spectacular statement and get a match with either Vitali or Wladimir ASAP, and he'd have a hard time doing that against Skelton, not so much with Barrett. And it looks like it worked, So the long term plan was a good one. But look at the right now, Frank Warren offers good money and he'd be the promoter, taking the financial risk for the cards success. If the place was only half full, even with buy one get one free tickets, he'd be losing money. I wonder how Hayemaker promotions made out in the end. And if he knocked out Skelton, who's never been knocked out or even dropped to my knowledge, it'd send a real statement rather than a KO over Barrett, who has been KO'd by champs, contenders and journeymen in his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted November 16, 2008 Author Paid Members Share Posted November 16, 2008 David Haye should avoid Skelton at all costs, he's the definition of a fighter that it's hard to look good against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted November 16, 2008 Author Paid Members Share Posted November 16, 2008 Barrett's Entrance, haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikey Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Against Williams the first time, it took Skelton ten seconds to try and put the nut on him. The point of Skelton was that he would keep winning until he got to the top. He got to the top, proved his durability but also proved he wasn't good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted November 17, 2008 Author Paid Members Share Posted November 17, 2008 he also proved he's an awkward person for anyone to fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted November 17, 2008 Author Paid Members Share Posted November 17, 2008 i was in the chippy today and overheard a conversation between two guys, it kinda annoyed me how clueless some people are. The one was talking like he was a boxing expert the other guy was just asking questions. Â Guy 1: "David Haye was great, that guy he fought was fucking awful though" Guy 2: "i heard Haye is going to fight that russian fella now, 7 foot tall he is, what's his name?" Guy 1: "errr, (changes subject) he's gonna fight Klitchsko next, he wont beat him Klitcsko will spark him out he's a big hitter" (which one?) Guy 2: "You think Calzaghe is going to retire?" Guy 1: "nah, no way they are on about him fight Klitschko now, no way Joe would beat that guy" Guy 2: "i heard something about Froch is it offering Joe 5million pound to fight?" Guy 1: "Froch yeh, he's too young for Calzaghe though, he's only 24". Â i was just standing there biting my lip. Boxing is one of them things where not many people who watch the odd fight thinks they're an expert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stylin_and_Profilin Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 Whats the thoughts for Hatton tonight then chaps? Â Seems a very lowkey and subdued buildup especially for a Hatton fight. I know the Haye fight got a lot of attention but this seems to have just graduallly crept up and stayed low on the media radar compared to normal. Aside from Mayweather i think this is going to be the biggest test of his career and Malignaggi is no mug. I actually find his quite entertaining, like the way he moves around and has cracking hand speed. Unfortunately he is powderpuff in terms of punching power compared to Hatton and from memory - although i have not seen his last two fights - cuts very easily especially over his eye following a nasty one he got a few years ago in the Cotto fight. Â Fancy Hatton to win by stoppage in the later rounds by wearing the guy down but should be a good fight and looking forward to it. Won't be buying it however Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted November 22, 2008 Author Paid Members Share Posted November 22, 2008 yeh i agree the build up has been low key. It's kinda like the Hatton bubble burst after his Mayweather loss, before it was like him and Calzaghe shared the honor of being Britain's best, now Calzaghe in most people's minds is the only boxer britain has, shame really. Â i have work tomorrow so i won't be watching this live on box office (forked out for the last one, im having a freebie this time)..i just hope some douche don't spoil it for me in work tomorrow. I see Hatton winning on points. I've actually ever only seen Mallignaggi fight once so it's hard for me to comment, and that was in the god awful performance in Manchester last time, i take it he's alot better than what he produced that night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergio Bellend Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 I've also been told that after fleecing folk for that they are doing another SBO in a fortnight for the De La Hoya / Pacquiao fight.........unreal  As much as I am a Hatton fan, I find it absolutelt disgusting that on top of paying nigh on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted November 22, 2008 Author Paid Members Share Posted November 22, 2008 problem easily solved then, watch Froch for nowt, then download the PPV the next day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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