Sgt. Ducky Posted December 22, 2003 Share Posted December 22, 2003 Thanks for that BB, contrary to the opinion of a few, I will always try to answer a question that's put to me. I think that asylum, immigration and race will be one of the most important issues of the next 20-30 years myself. Unless something is done soon, I believe that this country will reach breaking point, after all, there's only so much rubbish you can put in a black sack before it splits wide open.As the problems increase, more extreme views, such as the BNP, will become more popular, as people who are fed up with the traditional parties and their failure to deal with the situation turn to more radical alternatives.The rise of the PC brigade and their banning of Xmas decorations etc will only serve to anger people and trivialise the race and multiculturalism issue. I do believe that the problem will worsen, and that we will likely witness severe race riots. For example, if British Muslims find themselves in a situation where they have to choose between their God and their country, then Allah will win, not The Queen.Like it or not, Great Britain, like many other countries, is a multicultural community which should embrace all its cultures equally. As I've said before, we should celebrate Christmas, and we should also celebrate Diwali, Passover, Eids etc. Let people learn about the other cultures around us, to increase their knowledge and prevent the ignorance that racism is born out of.As the best selling record of the year says:But if you only got love for your own ways Then you only leave space to discriminate To discriminate only generates hate And when you hate, then you're bound to get irate Madness is what you demonstrate And that's exactly how anger works and operates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members nfc90210 Posted December 22, 2003 Paid Members Share Posted December 22, 2003 English, with Spanish second, is the most spoken language in the whole world maybe people wish to come here because they are able to speak the language. If things were to go bad here I would much prefer to go to Ireland or America as opposed to Germany because I would be able to function better within Irish or American society because, from the get go, I would be able to speak the language. A lot of asylum seekers aren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members SpursRiot2012 Posted December 22, 2003 Paid Members Share Posted December 22, 2003 a basic grasp of the English language. I wouldn't call, "Ciggerette, Ciggerette" a basic grasp of the language.I kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members SpursRiot2012 Posted December 22, 2003 Paid Members Share Posted December 22, 2003 how the fuck do i join already www.bnp.org.ukI'm sure it tells you there Ralph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbins Posted December 22, 2003 Share Posted December 22, 2003 Which leaves us with the Conservative Party. So if there was an election tomorrow, the only realistic alternative to Labour are the Tories in my opinion.Bloody hell Ducky. As much as I disagree with a great deal of Labour's policies, I'd take a long look at the Conservative party's history and their current policies before you ever consider voting for them ahead of Labour. Any problem you have with the Labour Party will be magnified ten times by the Tories. The Conservatives would be far stricter on immigration, would be even more supportive of unjust wars (their backbenchers wouldn't protest) and public services would once again be ditched in favour of lower taxation for the rich.It'd be a better idea to support a radical left-wing party to try and drag the political spectrum back towards the left.There's a lot of things wrong with the way the country's run at the moment, but voting out Labour is certainly not the solution.Personally, I'm going to keep on voting Labour and wait out for the Blair heart-attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Posted December 22, 2003 Share Posted December 22, 2003 (edited) English, with Spanish second, is the most spoken language in the whole world...Nah, mate, I'm pretty sure Mandarin is the most spoken language on the planet.___________________________I voted no because the BNP are fundamentally racists and, even if you agree with some of their policies (which I wouldn't be surprised at because they are opportunistic and they pin-point areas of concern for a lot of people), they are simply a veil for their ultimately racist goal of a 'pure' (almost Aryan), non-secular society.If you vote for the BNP because you like their polices on asylum and the like, you also vote for their policies of racial segregation, whether you like it or not. Edited December 22, 2003 by John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ducky Posted December 22, 2003 Share Posted December 22, 2003 Which leaves us with the Conservative Party. So if there was an election tomorrow, the only realistic alternative to Labour are the Tories in my opinion.Bloody hell Ducky. As much as I disagree with a great deal of Labour's policies, I'd take a long look at the Conservative party's history and their current policies before you ever consider voting for them ahead of Labour. History shows that Labour are simply not a governmental party. Until Blair won his second term, post-war Labour had never been in power for more than one term, and going by the mess that Labour have made of this country would tell me that it was only the lack of a viable alternative that won them the last election. I don't agree with all of the Conservatives' policies, but in looking for a political party to support, you must see whose policies match your's most closely. A political party is, after all, a coalition of interests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbins Posted December 22, 2003 Share Posted December 22, 2003 I don't agree with all of the Conservatives' policies, but in looking for a political party to support, you must see whose policies match your's most closely. A political party is, after all, a coalition of interests.Indeed. Does the Conservative party's right-wing viewpoints match your radical left-wing views closer than Labour's, the Lib Dem's or the Socialist Labour Party's? I mean really?As bad as Blair is, if it came down to a choice between him and the BNP, I wouldn't vote BNP just because I think Blair's a poor PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Burchill's Buddy Posted December 22, 2003 Paid Members Share Posted December 22, 2003 thanks Ducky / Bobbins........I think we have dragged this thread out of the gutter of pointless flaming and have actually made it a decent discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbins Posted December 22, 2003 Share Posted December 22, 2003 thanks Ducky / Bobbins........I think we have dragged this thread out of the gutter of pointless flaming and have actually made it a decent discussion. Fuckoff you Nazi piece of shit. Haha. Irony, you see. Yes. Irony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishDave Posted December 22, 2003 Share Posted December 22, 2003 going by the mess that Labour have made of this country would tell me that it was only the lack of a viable alternative that won them the last election. Dude, Labour are trying to fix what the Tories wrecked- it had too get worse before they can make it better. If we vote the Conservatives back in then we're going to end up back where we started- a broken country. And how will we fix it? We'll vote Labour, and in 10 years this thread will reapper with the same views on Labour and the Tories.On the issue of the BNP, I have good friends and relatives who are non-cocassion, so I would rather they didn't get within an inch of power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members nfc90210 Posted December 22, 2003 Paid Members Share Posted December 22, 2003 Nah, mate, I'm pretty sure Mandarin is the most spoken language on the planet.Actually I hadn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Posted December 22, 2003 Share Posted December 22, 2003 ...I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbins Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 ...I’ll modify the point, English is the most spoken western language.Actually, Spanish is spoken more than English, although most of that can be accounted for in Southern/Central America so, in a way, you're right that it's the most spoken language in western culture.LOL, I'm a prick aren't I?John No. Facts are good. Even if they contradict someone's beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members JNLister Posted December 23, 2003 Paid Members Share Posted December 23, 2003 where do you think the line will be drawn on the immigration issue? if things DO continue the way they are and in 10 years time there are 10 times the amount of illegals in this country, will the things we are saying today still be the same?If by 'illegals' you mean asylum seekers who don't have a legitimate case, then by definition the number cannot grow ten-fold in ten years. After a certain amount of time claiming asylum, either they will be judged genuinely in need of asylum (at which point they are reclassified as refugees and allowed to work, so they no longer get 'handouts' - and they aren't eligible for most benefits until they have worked/paid national insurance for a certain time) or their case will be rejected and they'll be deported. So in the long-term, the number of 'illegals' will remain relatively constant.If you mean that more people will enter illegally each year (and there isn't any statistical trend that leads to a ten-fold increase in 10 years), and we assume that every asylum seeker enters the country illegally (which they don't), you're suggesting there'll be 750,000 illegal entrants a year. I'd be interested to know how more than 2000 people are going to sneak into the country every day.Of course, there will be an added cost to supporting these people while they are awaiting the outcome of their claim for asylum. Taxes would have to go up. In fact, if the amounts paid the asylum seekers remained at the same leve;, the average taxpayer would find the basic tax rate rising by 0.01 percentage points, or put another way, their gross income would fall by 0.0009%, or slightly under one-thousandth.People would, in fact, be working 25 seconds a day just to pay enough money for Britain to support asylum seekers.Oh, and assuming the number of asylum seekers in the world remains constant, Britain would have gone from housing 2% of asylum seekers in the world (the actual proportion we deal with at the moment) to 20% - which would be almost as high as the 25% figure which was the average (incorrectly) estimated by British citizens in a recent BBC survey.So if the number of 'illegals' rose ten-fold in the next ten years, the situation would in reality be 'better' than the false picture people have today.Oh, and to quote Columbo, one more thing:Somebody on this thread mentioned that they support the BNP's anti-immigration stance and then tied it in to how it's unfair they have to pay tuition fees for university.Let's step into this fantasy world where the two issues are linked. Oh, and let's pretend we haven't spent all the asylum seekers money on pensioners as per the BNP slogan.Instead, let's kick out all asylum seekers and spend the cash on funding students in further and higher education.Thanks to this radical policy, we can now reduce tuition fees from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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