Paid Members bAzTNM#1 Posted August 5, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted August 5, 2012 Pat Fenlon's coat has got to be on a shoogly peg after that 3-0 loss against Dundee Utd. He should have left after that embarassment of a Scottish Cup Final defeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jock Knew Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 It's probably a bit too early to tell how good Dundee Utd will be this season but in the space of a week, I've watched them twice and I've been thoroughly impressed both times. Hibs are woeful but Utd were well worth a 3-0 win. They could have had a similar scoreline against Dinamo Moscow the other night because they were bloody excellent. So unfortunate to lose two goals (especially one so late on) but they'll take heart from the performance. Â Some quality players in that side. Mackay-Steven is obviously the pick of the bunch. If I was Neil Lennon, I'd look at signing him now and loaning him back to Utd for the rest of the season. Someone is going to get a bargain there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 I know it isn't on the same scale as Rangers but if clubs are fiddling the numbers for tax reasons, shouldn't they be punished? Â They should be, but the cost of an investigation would put them in negative figures as it's not exactly huge numbers, and they can easily claim exemption on the basis of people sneaking in. Also, it's really unknown if they give the wrong figures to HMRC or not. Â United have started their annual bigging up of players so they can try and sell them on with Whitney saying they will only sell Russell and GMS for "silly money", but they'd be gone if a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazz Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 I know it isn't on the same scale as Rangers but if clubs are fiddling the numbers for tax reasons, shouldn't they be punished? Â They should be, but the cost of an investigation would put them in negative figures as it's not exactly huge numbers, and they can easily claim exemption on the basis of people sneaking in. Also, it's really unknown if they give the wrong figures to HMRC or not. Â United have started their annual bigging up of players so they can try and sell them on with Whitney saying they will only sell Russell and GMS for "silly money", but they'd be gone if a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jock Knew Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 This interesting wee news cutting from 1967 turned up on a Celtic forum I visit: Â Â Caught my eye for three reasons. On the basis of the scorers at the side, Celtic must have been banging them in for fun at this time. Also, look who lurks in third place behind Joe McBride and Stevie Chalmers. Sir Alex probably gets under-rated as a striker. That's some effort for playing in a side that wasn't at the top at a time when Scottish football was pretty damn good. That leads me to the third and perhaps most baffling thing. Killie were in a European semi-final Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Nana Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 What's even more confusing is that acording to the "wee red Book" that match was a quarter final they got through that game and met leeds in the semis. Â http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966%E2%80%93...ities_Fairs_Cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted August 6, 2012 Author Share Posted August 6, 2012 I know it isn't on the same scale as Rangers but if clubs are fiddling the numbers for tax reasons, shouldn't they be punished? I'm not sure if there's any way of proving it to be honest, as most clubs outside the Old Firm don't deal in actual tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stylin_and_Profilin Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 This interesting wee news cutting from 1967 turned up on a Celtic forum I visit:  Caught my eye for three reasons. On the basis of the scorers at the side, Celtic must have been banging them in for fun at this time. Also, look who lurks in third place behind Joe McBride and Stevie Chalmers. Sir Alex probably gets under-rated as a striker. That's some effort for playing in a side that wasn't at the top at a time when Scottish football was pretty damn good. That leads me to the third and perhaps most baffling thing. Killie were in a European semi-final   That was actually Dunfermlines golden era, Liquid. Two Scottish cup wins and a semi-final of the cup winners cup. Ferguson played in probably the best Pars' team ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jock Knew Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 This interesting wee news cutting from 1967 turned up on a Celtic forum I visit:  Caught my eye for three reasons. On the basis of the scorers at the side, Celtic must have been banging them in for fun at this time. Also, look who lurks in third place behind Joe McBride and Stevie Chalmers. Sir Alex probably gets under-rated as a striker. That's some effort for playing in a side that wasn't at the top at a time when Scottish football was pretty damn good. That leads me to the third and perhaps most baffling thing. Killie were in a European semi-final   That was actually Dunfermlines golden era, Liquid. Two Scottish cup wins and a semi-final of the cup winners cup. Ferguson played in probably the best Pars' team ever.  Ah, apologies. I stand corrected. Still, I'm interested in Ferguson's playing career. He seems to get put into that category of "not so good player, brilliant manager" which I think might be unfair. My granda says he was a great striker. He also has a pretty prolific record at all the clubs he played for. It seems bizarre that Rangers dropped him off the back of one bad mistake. I think everyone's seen the clip of him losing Billy McNeill at a corner in the 1969 Scottish Cup final but I'm sure that would have happened fairly often at the time. I wonder what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stylin_and_Profilin Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 This interesting wee news cutting from 1967 turned up on a Celtic forum I visit:  Caught my eye for three reasons. On the basis of the scorers at the side, Celtic must have been banging them in for fun at this time. Also, look who lurks in third place behind Joe McBride and Stevie Chalmers. Sir Alex probably gets under-rated as a striker. That's some effort for playing in a side that wasn't at the top at a time when Scottish football was pretty damn good. That leads me to the third and perhaps most baffling thing. Killie were in a European semi-final   That was actually Dunfermlines golden era, Liquid. Two Scottish cup wins and a semi-final of the cup winners cup. Ferguson played in probably the best Pars' team ever.  Ah, apologies. I stand corrected. Still, I'm interested in Ferguson's playing career. He seems to get put into that category of "not so good player, brilliant manager" which I think might be unfair. My granda says he was a great striker. He also has a pretty prolific record at all the clubs he played for. It seems bizarre that Rangers dropped him off the back of one bad mistake. I think everyone's seen the clip of him losing Billy McNeill at a corner in the 1969 Scottish Cup final but I'm sure that would have happened fairly often at the time. I wonder what happened.  He was quite open about it in his book IIRC that he perceived there to be a vendetta against him from senior figures at Ibrox simply because it became knowledge he was married to a Catholic. I don't know if he mentioned any names as it was years ago when i read it but it got a fair bit of press at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daaaaaad! Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 He was quite open about it in his book IIRC that he perceived there to be a vendetta against him from senior figures at Ibrox simply because it became knowledge he was married to a Catholic. I don't know if he mentioned any names as it was years ago when i read it but it got a fair bit of press at the time. Er, no. He says in his book that Rangers were well aware of his wife's religion beforehand and that his leaving Rangers was almost entirely to do with the Cup Final mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary v1 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Kilmarnock should never have been in the fairs cup that year! Clyde should have qualified as they came third in the league but you were only allowed one team from each city in the Fair's cup and Rangers had already qualified so the place went to Kilmarnock. If Killie made the semis Clyde I'm sure would have easily made the final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Nana Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Do you mean Europe or the Fairs cup, because Rangers don't even seem listed in it.  also the 1965 66 table has kilmarnock in 3rd and Clyde 11th  wrong year?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1965%E2%80%93...ottish_football  edit: it was: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966-67_Scott...Football_League  sorry to sound cheeky but to play in europe in 67 you have to qualify in 66.  Second edit: also Kilmarnock didn't even compeate in the folowing fairs cup (67,68) so what are you on about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary v1 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Do you mean Europe or the Fairs cup, because Rangers don't even seem listed in it. also the 1965 66 table has kilmarnock in 3rd and Clyde 11th  wrong year?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1965%E2%80%93...ottish_football  edit: it was: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966-67_Scott...Football_League  sorry to sound cheeky but to play in europe in 67 you have to qualify in 66.  Second edit: also Kilmarnock didn't even compeate in the folowing fairs cup (67,68) so what are you on about?  You're quite right, I was a year out and it was Dundee rather than Killie who took our place and who also made the semis.  Apologies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Nana Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Who also intrestinly lost to leeds. must have been a golden era for scottish football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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