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Iran is critisizing the UK over our human rights violations as far as the rioters go.

IRAN!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/0...condemns-police

I agree that their interests currently don't go beyond having fun and stealing things, but they are not 'trash'

I'd say that they are. You go out and steal and destroy 'for fun' then you're trash.

I've seen figures like this thrown around on Facebook & Twitter;

 

 

Any truth to them? Anyone know?

Numbers are true, but the vast majority of them are straightforward cases of ODs taking time to finish someone off, some suicides and uncaught injuries. That sort of thing.

Its a real shame we cant talk about Phoenix till a news item pops up ( there will be something in the newspaper on Sunday though ). Cause what went down today in court is fuckin' hilarious

If you get the urge to share please feel free to PM me.

Remember Barcode Battler? I found "Barcode Beasties" on the Android Apps Marketplace. Still pretty glitchy, but a load of fun. Scanned a sliced loaf and got a Werewolf.

 

EDIT: Best to download a proper barcode reader app, though - the game one is pony. If you get a decent one, you can scan QRs too.

You star! This has made my evening.

Interesting. Its a kind of predestination paradox. The Doctor chose that name because of the meanings behind it (according to The Master, amongst others), meanings that came around due to his actions. I quite like that.

I loved this episode. Smith at one point looked quite scary, not a bad feat for a skinny man in a bowtie.

On the other hand I know very few smokers, seems to be dying out around here.

Yeah basicly. Its a lot of stuff about the hows and whys of myth, their place in history and the influence they had on culture (and that culture had on them). In fact a couple of days ago I finished my final essay for that bit of the course, a 3000 worder on the evolution of the Achilles myth. Its not great, but such is life.

If you're interested I could certainly do with it reading through for feedback to make sure it makes sense before I send it in.

Its through the OU, and was surprisingly hard in places.

There are certain interpretations of history, and what is allowed on Wiki is not necessarily the gospel truth, but it's good you recognise that. What that bit of the article fails to point out is that just because the Arabs rejected the UN plan does not mean they were being unreasonable - hundreds of thousands of people were to be uprooted and shifted somewhere else; if the Jewish community accepted the plan, it would have been seen as a horrible betrayal by the Arabs. Why should they give up their homes?

 

Either way, throughout the history of the conflict, the actions of the Israeli government and its right-wing have been those of an oppressor and an invader, rather than those of a nation trying to find its own bit of the world.

 

Anyway, I really don't want to get too further into this, although I appreciate the discussion - like I said, the Israel/Palestine discussion never ends well, if it ends at all.

Of course, I'm a history student so Im fully aware of interpretations and wiki. Though my history is Greek myth and Falklands Islands mostly, though also a smattering of Napoleonic Europe and military warfare pre 1900 in general.

But Wiki also points out, on a page linked to that bit of info, that the Arab reaction to the plan was that the Arab leaders threatened the Jewish population of Palestine, speaking of "driving the Jews into the sea" and ridding Palestine "of the Zionist Plague". I'd call that unreasonable myself. And given the historical persecution of the Jews I would say that its utterly and totally understandable that it would be enough to make them more hardline since, especially as Hamas have continued the stance since.

Mind, hopfully Hamas will soften and that will also make Israel come to the table properly.

But I guess we can leave it there if you want, no worry mate.

Sorry, I still dont understand why you're saying

My point was, in terms of parties who are still actively involved in the conflict, the Israelis' actions are what started this whole conflict and created such resentment.

If it was started by the invasions by the Arabs in 1948, then the threats from them later on, why is it their actions that started it? They, as far as I can see, werent the ones who forced the Arabs out, that didnt happen until after the invasion of Israel by the Arab countries forces. This is just what I have gotten from Wiki, so obviously could be bollocks.

After 1945, Britain found itself in fierce conflict with the Jewish community, as the Haganah joined Irgun and Lehi in armed struggle against British rule.[67] At the same time, thousands of Jewish refugees from Europe sought shelter in Palestine and were turned away or rounded up and placed in detention camps by the British. In 1947, the British government withdrew from the Mandate of Palestine, stating it was unable to arrive at a solution acceptable to both Arabs and Jews.[68] The newly created United Nations approved the Partition Plan for Palestine (United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181) on November 29, 1947, which sought to divide the country into two states

Palestinians have greivences so what, sitting their sulking like a 5 year old about them whilst plotting death to Israel has got them fuck all. Israel has to be the one to make concessions without pre conditions whilst it still comes under attack, whilst those around it plot its distruction and refuses to recognise it as a legitimate state.

 

And yes - Israel IS the one who has to make concessions, because they're the one with all the weapons, all the finances and all the power. Let's not forget, also, that it's their actions that have led to all this in the first place.

 

 

Maybe I missed this in the thread, but wasnt it British actions that started it (by splitting the country) rather than Israel? Please correct me fi Im wrong, but I thought that the first signs of agression came from the Arab forces massing at Israels boarders.

 

Yeah, I did mention it was the British empire who started it all off, but let's be realistic here: just how involved are the British in the Middle East now? There's nothing we could do to salvage the sitution, and if we went in, we'd make it worse. Not only that, if it came down to conflict, there's a good chance we'd get our arses kicked - the Israeli army are among the best-trained in the world (seeing as we trained them initially), and they're much more experienced.

Yeah, but that didnt really answer what I was asking. Maybe I wasnt clear about it, my written/typed communication skills are dire. You said that Israels actions that have led to this, I was asking if thats fair as it was the British who split the land, and then the first signs of agression came from outside Israel.

Im not too clued up on this one, as you may see.

The arabs lost the 6 day war and Israel gained territory as a result with any other country its to the victor go the spoils of war but when its Israel different rules apply.

International law since at least the end of WW2 has stipulated that no country can legally gain land as a result of war, not even if fighting as defenders.

Palestinians have greivences so what, sitting their sulking like a 5 year old about them whilst plotting death to Israel has got them fuck all. Israel has to be the one to make concessions without pre conditions whilst it still comes under attack, whilst those around it plot its distruction and refuses to recognise it as a legitimate state.

 

And yes - Israel IS the one who has to make concessions, because they're the one with all the weapons, all the finances and all the power. Let's not forget, also, that it's their actions that have led to all this in the first place.

Maybe I missed this in the thread, but wasnt it British actions that started it (by splitting the country) rather than Israel? Please correct me fi Im wrong, but I thought that the first signs of agression came from the Arab forces massing at Israels boarders.

So why then do a small minority of non british Muslems come to UK if they do not wish to intergrate.

You tell me.

 

All I will say mate is that I have already won my side of the arguement where as you have not even bothered to argue your's.

As an onlooker who doesnt give a shit about this 'argument' between you I have to disagree.

I hate seeing someone crease the spine of a book. I always try to avoid it.

Anti-kindle/pro-book sentiment is intolerable.

I read in the bath, so books are far better for me, cheaper to replace if I drop one in the bath. Can you tolerate that one?

Im reading all sorts of stuff for my final essay on my current course, Ovid, Homer, Shakespear and Hesiod. Fun.

Oh I 100% agree that the building is utterly stupid. Israel shouldnt have done anything with the land, at the very least once international law was against them.

No I agree. But Hamas need to soften their stance. Using your IRA example, they werent given the positions (as far as I am aware) until the IRA had agreed a ceasefire.

Once Hamas stop the 'Israel must be destroyed' rhetoric and change it to a stance about the recovery of their lands then I would be behind them 100%. But I cant blame Israel for not wanting to back down while they are being threatened at this level. They are surrounded by nations that historically want to destroy them, they cant risk looking weak!

Yeah, rather predictably not according to Israel.

Hamas have said, on multiple occasions, that they want to see Israel wiped off the face of the planet (or words to that effect). So why would they see Hamas getting more political power as a step forward? Until Hamas give up their terror tactics (and maybe this will be the thing that gets them to) then I cant blame Israel for not wanting to cave in to the demands of the Palestinians.

edit: Thats not to say I find Israel innocent either.

Im just watching a TV show about four police officers from around the world (Columbia, Australia, Samoa and Zambia) learning UK policing techniques (and actually working the beats). All four officers are amazed by how much crap the UK police take and how little respect they get from the 'youths'.

edit: seems if I bothered reading back a page others have mentioned it.

Probably yes. But if you cut all the social work and all that 'lefty shite', the chickens come home to roost soon enough and you get higher crime rates; which would lead to more people being put in prison except the Conservatives now believe (not completely without justification) that prison is a waste of money. People will care about that stuff soon enough. The fact of the matter is though that even the southern states in the USA are starting to realise that throwing increasing amounts of people into prison for increasingly long stretches isn't really very economic.

 

And as for LGBT coordinators - people who identify with being 'LGBT' pay taxes as well. In most cases they don't have children, so they are not particularly burdensome on the state and a couple of outreach coordinators is not going to change that.

Who said anything about cutting social work?

 

I don't accept that 5 a day co-ordinators etc are responsible for reducing crime.

 

If prisons are a waste of money it is because of the amount that is spent on luxuries for the prisoners. Make them into proper prisons again and you will not only save money but they might actually be a deterrent to anyone that spends time inside and to some that have not and do not want to.

 

Which prison did you serve in? Do you have friends or family in jail or are you just repeating tabloid shite again? If prison isn't a deterrent to a person it says more about their standard of life on the outside. Prisons are fucking horrible.

My brother said that his cell was better than his flat. The TV in his cell was far better than anythign he could otherwise afford.

But he's a twat.

Now this I find very interesting regards council tax - [url="http://www.tpuc.org/content/wirral-council-

Alien Vs Predator. The Marines mode is tense, the alien mode confusing as hell and the predator mode cool as fuck.

Also... Get Fit With Mel B. DONT JUDGE ME!

A dictator? You realise he was voted into power? Twice now. He's only a few steps away from dictator for sure, cant deny that, but he is in power fairly right now. He doesnt deny being anti-American and anti-British, he doesnt deny having very socialist views and policies, he doesnt deny that he holds tight reigns over the media. The human rights in Venezuela have mostly improved under Chavez.

Mass murder of political opponants has no tangiable evidence.

I admit that some of the more recent activities of his and his little gang of cronies has come close to turning him into a dictator though. I wouldnt be shocked for him to take the final steps in the next year.

edit: Either way, shes a twat.

I've clearly missed something, but why has someone nominated the president of Argentina?

Because shes an utter cunt (yes I nominated her, no I'm not a Falklands vet, Im far too young). From calling the British 'Pirates' on Twitter to having her warships threaten Falklands fishing ships inside of Falklands water the woman is a twat of the highest order. I've been following the news in the South Atlantic for the better part of two years and this woman is worse than Hugo Chavez, at least he doesnt try to hide what he is.