Tsurutagun

7 hours ago, RedRooster said:

Cole and Tazz were great in the early years of the brand split, and I think it's something they deserve credit on. Maybe Vince's eye was more off the ball with Smackdown,

I heard (from Cole I think) that Heyman was coaching Cole and Tazz a lot during that time. The commentary of the Brock/Taker HIAC was really good. 

2 hours ago, tiger_rick said:

Didn't he come out with something preposterous during the 1995 Rumble like "Dick Murdoch is going to WrestleMania!"

Vince was so hyperbolic that Rumble I'm pretty sure he would have said that Jimmy Del Ray would be going to WrestleMania had the intervals been 2 minutes instead of 1. 

Having been in a Southern States territory binge watch late last year, Gordon Solie is just magnificent especially his time in Continental Wrestling in Alabama. Lance Russell was tremendous in selling the heels being dickheads in Memphis. Lance getting pissed off at Tommy Rich and Austin Idol when they beat Lawler in a hair vs hir match is a must listen. Of the current lot, Rich Bochinini (?) who commentates on MLW is quite good

As for worst, World Class never had good commentators. Roddy Piper at SummerSlam 90 actually might be worse than Superstar Billy Graham at 88. 

Corey Graves sounds like something from a WWE 2K game. 

The Sheamus turning on Drew moment was everything that is wrong with WWE. The commentary was like something out of the WWE 2K games. The moment of the champion's best friend turning on him lacked any drama whatsoever. 

2 minutes ago, tiger_rick said:

Seen tweets from people suggesting it was an all-time great Rumble. While I think they should be sectioned, I'm quite envious of anyone who can enjoy it this much at this point. I'd have to go back 20 years. And I'd love to quite honestly.

You didn't enjoy the one Nakamura won?

Unlike a lot on here, I quite enjoyed the Rumble but with a quite a few but.... moments

Drew beating Goldberg was what it should have been but as someone said earlier if people's reaction is "thank god Goldberg didn't win" thats a problem. It shows mistrust in those in booking that they can create stars

Carmella/Sasha was fine. Sasha vs Bianca should be great

The womens Rumble was OK with the last 10 mins being awesome. Ripley looked strong. Belair doing the Flair run including tears in her eyes was a good way to make her legit. She can be a star but this is WWE we're talking about. Also, lol at the people who thought bringing Jillian Hall would be a big deal. Betting that she would have got the Carlos Colon pop from the 93 Rumble?

Reigns and Owens was great until the end. That handcuff business was hilarious. To be to Cole who had a shocker with the "No. 3 is a bad number" stuff but he was right to say that it was a "key of some sort". It was a key, just not the right one. 

The mens Rumble told a great story with Edge going from the start to the end. The story of Edge trying to win the title he never got beat for will be fun to watch. 

The biggest problem however was that only 2 of the 30 in the men's Rumble were under the age of 30. That's a huge problem going forward. In 5 years who are going to be the guys to be the top guys and with the Peacock deal at 200 million a year and the brand being bigger than the wrestlers mentality, WWE television is going to be very meh in the next decade. 

8 hours ago, RedRooster said:

I really hope we’re not about to get Braun vs Reigns at Wrestlemania

Don't be ridiculous. 

It's obvious Cena is winning this thing and saving the WWE universe from Roman Reigns 

For some reason I'm unable to post any pics on here 🤷‍♂️ but there's a picture of Vince Mcmahon giving the go ahead for Jushin Liger to make his entrance at the Tokyo Dome. It's from the Wrestling summit which saw WWF, New Japan and All Japan put on a joint show. 

Watching it the other week, it's bonkers in hindsight. 

Shane McMahon is refereeing a Kenta Kobashi match, Tito Santana is playing heel, Bret Hart and Mitsuharu Misawa in his Tiger Mask II have a dull 20 minute draw, Hulk Hogan has a brawl with Stan Hansen unlike anything he ever had in WWF (the 10 year old me who was collecting Coliseum Home Video tapes was weirded out by this) plus you have Stan Hansen turning face for life by knocking over Mel Phillips over pre the Hogan match. 

Depends on what you mean by under the radar. 

My favourite match of all time is a Misawa/Kobashi/Kawada vs Tsuruta/Fuchi/Taue 6 man tag. In the Kings Road canon it hardly ever gets talked about but it has the Dave Meltzer 5 star approval. So many great things in this match. Call backs from previous matches in the rivalry, the best sleeperhold ever, Kawada giving Fuchi the middle finger, Fuchi being awesome, Kobashi being the best face in peril that isn't Ricky Morton. 

For all the articles/podcasts/YouTube essays about the June 8, 1990 match between Misawa and Tsuruta, there is an argument that the match they had in September of that year is better and no one talks about it

Bull Nakano no selling multiple kendo stick shots with her arms stretched out is the coolest thing and no one ever talks about it

2 hours ago, Statto said:

There was Saturday Morning Slam, which was basically Velocity for kids:

This episode has Kofi Kingston commentating on a Ziggler match and he notes that they've "had about 999 matches".

Was that the show where they had Daniel Bryan on commentary once and he spent the whole show talking about bears

12 minutes ago, Chris B said:

Genuinely makes me think a spin-off show with kids as managers etc could work. The inherent silliness of wrestling, the elements of dress-up and pretend fighting, but with an added element of it basically being kids playing with action figures, but for real. Like wrestling-based Pokemon.

We tend to take wrestling so seriously, that if AEW were to do a wholesome show aimed directly at kids, with people like the Dark Order, Luchasaurus, Luther, etc, it could be sort-of revolutionary. The kids getting kayfabe so much could be great.

I mean, obviously with the history of wrestling, it'd all descend into horrific scandal. But handled well and professionally, I really think there could be something there.

Basically a bigger budget version of this? 

2 hours ago, The King Of Swing said:

The last owner got into massive debt and committed suicide didn't he?

Definitely looking forward to that and XPW. 

Add the fact that it's a wrestling promotion in Japan so the yakuza are going to be involved 

2 minutes ago, FlushFunk said:

I believe it’s universally accepted that nobody could have played or made the Undertaker work as MC did.

Not one reply so far has changed my opinion that this is just a bunch of pissed of gamers offended by the truth.

Would be you offended by the truth that you seem like the guy who masturbates to knife magazines 

9 minutes ago, Devon Malcolm said:

There hasn't been a new poster on here for about six years.

*Coughs*

12 hours ago, Supremo said:

Anyway, yeah. It’s madness how much potential one couple can have in Bianca Belair and Montez Ford. Imagine if they ever have a kid? That’s the key to the next boom period right there.

Cue 2046, where you'll have fans yelling at Triple H, in his seventies and gloriously out of touch, to push the second generation athlete over Jay White who is in his 12th reign as Universal Champion 

In other news Rhea Ripley is still on NXT

38 minutes ago, The Cutting Edge said:

Cage and Starks vs Sting and Allen in a Street Fight has been announced for Revolution.

 

Money on that being a cinematic match? 

13 hours ago, Chili said:

I do love the enhancement crew with gimmicks or unique looks. Nick Comorato has a great look. Like a WWE All Stars render of Hercules Hernandez. Taz thinks he looks like a caveman. 

I'm happy to have Alex Gracia on every week so long as I get her sweet Franz Ferdinand rip theme. 

 

AEW Muisc guy: "So Alex, what are your two favourite songs. 

Alex: "The Immigrant Song and Take Me Out" 

AEW Music guy: 🤔

5 hours ago, Chili said:

It just sounds SHIT doesn't it. 

El Australiano. 

I'm guessing his original name wasn't happening in AEW

2 hours ago, LaGoosh said:

MLW is a weird one. Seems like a good place to go for experience if you're a wrestler but it's almost a void in the wrestling scene

There is a lot i like about MLW, Salina Del La Renta being the majority of those. The brawl between Contra and The Von Erichs a couple of years ago was something out of Continental Wrestling in Alabama. Also seeing La Park's attempts to be able to be seen from space is enjoyable 

On 1/18/2021 at 2:40 PM, TomJones233 said:

I have a soft spot for this tune. Can't believe its almost 10 years ago in April.

 

The only song to be the Super Sunday theme and the Wrestlemania theme unless my wish comes true that this becomes the Wrestlemania 37 theme

WWE proudly presents Wrestlemania 

Exclusively live from Tampa Bay. Daniel Bryan vs Roman Reigns in association with Skittles

Hereeeeeee we go, hereeeeee we go

Here we go, here we go, here we go, here we go. 

THIS IS IT! 

Easily would be this generations My Way

27 minutes ago, Chili said:

He's alright, but still finding his way. 

I'm sure he'll do well and as long as he's not an arsehole he'll be fine. I have to say that while he's not done anything to really make him a favourite, I do smile when he hits that Air Pillman clothesline absolutely spot on like his old man. Moves like him too.

A Loose Cannon rehash. No, but if Bri Jr, went down that route it might be more as douchy cocky wanker, enough people have failed trying to do Brian Pillman.

I guess the reason is national exposure  and maybe more money, but moving from MLW where he was doing great to being in a jobber tag team seems one of the weirder career moves in wrestling history 

The only highlight of the show was Randy Orton wearing The Destroyer mask. Can we have Randy giving out in matches like Destroyer always did when wrestling in Japan 

Peyton Royce is just terrible. Billie Kay might be rubbish in the ring too but at least she makes me laugh with her ott personality. Peyton is just terrible at everything 

After Matt Riddle sold Lashley stomping on his foot despite Bobby being nowhere near it, is his new gimmick that he's Jack Grealish. 

If the WrestleMania announcement was supposed to get mainstream buzz it shows how out of touch the decision makers actually are. 

The only payoff that is borderline acceptable after The Dirt sheet is Goldberg literally spearing Miz in half

The camera cuts actually made the awesome finish to Ricochet/Styles look ordinary 

This Alexa nonsense is what happens when you have the writers look online and see the Alexa/Sister Abigial fan fiction rubbish 

Garbage show. 

1 hour ago, Statto said:

Things may have changed, but back in October/November I recall the governor of Florida approving 100% full stadiums, leaving the decision on how to restrict attendance (or otherwise) to the individual organisations.

Holding a show at anything more than 30% would be bad optics. Sponsors would be tearing their hair out with 100% capacity at a stadium while Coronavirus is still a major thing

1 hour ago, tiger_rick said:

WWE are still running that stupid Thunderdome thing to the detriment of their product when they could have had fans in some form for ages. I don't honestly think that's fair criticism. 

In reality they still can't have fans in an arena. Correct me if I'm wrong but the NBA and NHL are still operating without no fans in attendance. Also aren't the NXT "crowd" paid extras

2 hours ago, Supremo said:

Do they use the 8K cameras to shoot the actual action in the NFL? I can imagine that could make for some interesting footage, particularly if you slow it down.

So far it has just been for celebrations after touchdowns and when the players are in the huddle pre snaps. 

1 hour ago, Supremo said:

Still, this show needs to be seen just for the 8K cameras they used for entrances. As if it wasn’t the creepiest, most haunting show already with the Black Mirror fans and piped in chants. They’ve now got guys somehow giving Uncanny Valley vibes with their own actual human faces. I don’t know why, but 8K makes everyone look less real, like a video game character.

I love the 8K cameras. They've been a regular feature on NFL broadcasts for the last month and a bit and they look phenomenal. Think this might be the second "sport" that FOX have used these cameras on which is a sign of how seriously FOX takes WWE 

4 hours ago, Nick James said:

I could totally buy Omega Vs Everyone and that would be a great way to go, but doesn't understand why the Two Tony's have been running the paid adverts on impact running the promotion down. As mentioned earlier, I get the idea they ran with the angle before they actually worked out what they were doing with it, which is why it feels disjointed.

EDIT: Just noticed BomberPat said it better.

The way I've read the Two Tonys or what they are trying to achieve is that to the Impact fans Khan is the arrogant owner of AEW who's spending money (the £100 from his mom for Christmas) for ad time and being a dick while doing it while Callis is trying to rule the wrestling world (the world outside WWE) by having Omega win all the belts he can

There are elements of Vince McMahon's interviews in Memphis in 1993 when I watch the Two Tonys

15 minutes ago, Supremo said:

It’s no wonder even a grumpy prick like Jim Ross can see the money in Jungle Boy. It’s undeniable.

Guy ticks every single box. He’s the perfect plucky babyface. I don’t think there’s a demographic he wouldn’t appeal to. Whether it’s your mum, your little sister or the smelly knobheads in their, “I HATE CENA,” shirts. Nobody is booing Jungle Jack.

Non-threatening, boyband good looks that you can plaster on posters, nice, friendly demeanour that would charm everyone in interviews, Hollywood backstory and mainstream connections, brilliant, fun gimmick, and most importantly - he actually looks and feels young. It’s something I brought up about Dominik Mysterio before he and his push vanished into thin air. Not enough people in the top promotions actually look young. Especially now, when younger demos are more important than ever. Everyone works ten to fifteen years on the independents and grows out their dark black hair and beard before getting a look in. It’s a huge deal when someone comes along that kids can actually see themselves in. It’s a huge part of Rey Mysterio’s success and Rey didn’t even have a pet dinosaur. He’s a marketing department’s dream come true.

Plus - he’s really fucking good. It was partially forgotten about after what a great year AEW had, but that Jungle Boy vs. MJF match in the Summer was outstanding and really set in stone what gems they’ve got with both of them. Real Triple H vs. The Rock in 97/98 vibes, where you know this is going to main event pay per views in years to come. That Jungle Boy is already this great of a worker at twenty three? With that gorgeous flowing hair? Now with that singalong entrance?! Gangbusters.

The way Jungle Boy is being booked has shades of how Kenta Kobashi was booked in Ajpw when he started. Kenta lost his first 80 matches, would always be the face in peril in the Super Generation vs Tsurutagun 6 man's and only got his first win against an ex-Triple Crown champion in 1993. 

The moment Jungle Jack gets a big win against one the big names, it'll be huge like when Kenta beat Terry Gordy in 93