2012/2013 Scottish Football Thread

[Daaaaaad!]

Griffiths is injured - not enough to keep him out but enough to make sure he shouldn't play a full game.

[Fatty Facesitter]

Just seen this on the Beeb, should be interesting to see if it goes through-

 

SPL/SFL Restructure

 

The 30 Scottish Football League clubs have unanimously voted to propose a new three-tier league structure of 16, 10 and 16 teams for season 2014-15.

 

Its top-flight would be called the Premier Division, the second the Championship and the third would be called the First Division.

 

The plan involves a merger between the SFL and the Scottish Premier League.

 

SFL chief executive David Longmuir's plan would require agreement from the SPL and the Scottish FA.

 

Following a meeting at Hampden, the SFL is also proposing a new format for the Scottish League Cup based on a seeding system similar to the Champions League.

 

Longmuir's original proposal had raised the possibility of second sides from Celtic and Rangers being added to the bottom tier to take the total to 18 teams.

 

But a number of clubs had voiced their opposition to the idea ahead of Wednesday's meeting.

 

The SPL presently has 12 clubs, with their governing body progressing its own plan for a 16-team top flight, although there is also an option of two top leagues of 12.

 

SPL sources have suggested there is no prospect of the SFL plan receiving the support of the 11 clubs required for such change to be accepted by the present top flight.

 

But Longmuir argues that the plan would benefit all clubs in the senior Scottish game, with many clubs and fans having espoused the benefits of a return to one league body.

 

"It involves the merger of the SPL and the SFL coming together to collaborate and work together going forward, which I think would be a good thing for the game," he told BBC Scotland.

 

"And it involves a governance model which also would provide a balanced governance of the game."

 

"It's about how much incremental benefit it can deliver, both commercially, from broadcast and sponsorship revenues, but also in the development of young Scottish talent and also from the impact of the broadcast media, who may well be interested in something that is dynamic."

 

The SFL plan proposes the introduction of promotion and relegation play-offs involving the top flight.

 

Teams finishing 15th and 16th would be automatically relegated, being replaced with the Championship title winners and runners-up.

 

Sides finishing 13th and 14th in the Premier Division would enter play-offs with those finishing third and fourth in the Championship.

 

There would be automatic relegation for the sides finishing ninth and 10th in the Championship, with a play-off taking place between the side finishing eighth and the sides in third, fourth and fifth in the First Division.

 

The First Division champions and runners-up would be automatically promoted, while the side finishing bottom would be involved in a play-off to remain with the senior set-up as part of a new pyramid structure.

 

"It encourages the flow of clubs between the divisions, it encourages change, it encourages refreshment and vibrancy of clubs changing their positions," explained Longmuir.

 

"But it also accommodates the threat and challenges faced by relegation and what that means financially."

[martyngnr]

SPL sources have suggested there is no prospect of the SFL plan receiving the support of the 11 clubs required for such change to be accepted by the present top flight.

 

This is the telling sentence.

There is no way this will be accepted by the SPL clubs. Kilmarnock, Motherwell etc wouldn't want to run the risk of less home games against Celtic (and eventually no doubt a snuck in via the backdoor Rangers).

[Dazz]

SPL sources have suggested there is no prospect of the SFL plan receiving the support of the 11 clubs required for such change to be accepted by the present top flight.

 

This is the telling sentence.

There is no way this will be accepted by the SPL clubs. Kilmarnock, Motherwell etc wouldn't want to run the risk of less home games against Celtic (and eventually no doubt a snuck in via the backdoor Rangers).

 

And therein lies the problem. Until there is a system in place where the "big clubs" have an equal leverage to other clubs, we're going to be stuck in the same eternal circle of mooted restructuring and then it being knocked back.

[Jambo]

SPL sources have suggested there is no prospect of the SFL plan receiving the support of the 11 clubs required for such change to be accepted by the present top flight.

 

This is the telling sentence.

There is no way this will be accepted by the SPL clubs. Kilmarnock, Motherwell etc wouldn't want to run the risk of less home games against Celtic (and eventually no doubt a snuck in via the backdoor Rangers).

 

And therein lies the problem. Until there is a system in place where the "big clubs" have an equal leverage to other clubs, we're going to be stuck in the same eternal circle of mooted restructuring and then it being knocked back.

 

Or even better, instead of being elitists, how about with their being 42 clubs, 22 votes in favour passes a motion? Equality for all, not just for the "big" clubs.

[Dazz]

SPL sources have suggested there is no prospect of the SFL plan receiving the support of the 11 clubs required for such change to be accepted by the present top flight.

 

This is the telling sentence.

There is no way this will be accepted by the SPL clubs. Kilmarnock, Motherwell etc wouldn't want to run the risk of less home games against Celtic (and eventually no doubt a snuck in via the backdoor Rangers).

 

And therein lies the problem. Until there is a system in place where the "big clubs" have an equal leverage to other clubs, we're going to be stuck in the same eternal circle of mooted restructuring and then it being knocked back.

 

Or even better, instead of being elitists, how about with their being 42 clubs, 22 votes in favour passes a motion? Equality for all, not just for the "big" clubs.

 

I believe a majority vote would be good. But unfortunately the SPL clubs would never go for it, as they'd lose their leverage.

 

All clubs should have an equal say in the structure of the football of this country. Surely the SFA could step in and say "if football's to be played in this country, it's to be this way". Any teams that don't agree don't get licenced as SFA teams, because they're going against the structure of football in the country. seems fair.

[Forrest]

Snoop Dogg wants to buy Celtic.

[bAzTNM#1]

Got to be the usual shite. Would he really invest up here? I think he'd rather go south.

[Dr.PeterVenkman]

How come nothings been said on here about Rangers tax case? Bit of backtracking to be done by a lot of people

 

Oh and I hope whoever was behind the Rangers tax case blog gets sued to fuck

[Big Jock Knew]

How come nothings been said on here about Rangers tax case? Bit of backtracking to be done by a lot of people

 

Oh and I hope whoever was behind the Rangers tax case blog gets sued to fuck

 

Mainly because there is an appeal process on the go and not many people actually comprehend the legalities. I certainly don't pretend to. I'll let the lawyers work it out for now.

 

As for backtracking, I doubt it very much. Even if the appeal doesn't go through this is a VERY hollow victory for the old company. Their transgressions are many outside of the EBT allegations.

[Dr.PeterVenkman]

How come nothings been said on here about Rangers tax case? Bit of backtracking to be done by a lot of people

 

Oh and I hope whoever was behind the Rangers tax case blog gets sued to fuck

 

Mainly because there is an appeal process on the go and not many people actually comprehend the legalities. I certainly don't pretend to. I'll let the lawyers work it out for now.

 

As for backtracking, I doubt it very much. Even if the appeal doesn't go through this is a VERY hollow victory for the old company. Their transgressions are many outside of the EBT allegations.

 

Looks like they're keeping those titles though, that was all the Bobby Sands memorial boys were fussed about right?

 

Absolute scandal that they were forced to liquidate over a trumped up charge, fair enough about the appeal but the fact is two judges said it was bollocks

[Big Jock Knew]

Looks like they're keeping those titles though, that was all the Bobby Sands memorial boys were fussed about right?

 

Absolute scandal that they were forced to liquidate over a trumped up charge, fair enough about the appeal but the fact is two judges said it was bollocks

 

Shite attempt at baiting, but it's what we have come to expect.

 

They died. Get over it. Who cares about past titles? Nobody cares about "The Rangers" any more. They are a complete irrelevance. They haven't been mentioned in footballing terms by anyone of importance since August, even when they lost to Stirling Albion.

 

They've hidden documentation from Scottish footballing authorities for years. The investigation is into the use of dual contracts, not if tax was avoided on EBTs (as the BTC has ruled) If anything, the ruling has found evidence that there was dual contacts, whether tax was or wasn't paid on it is neither here nor there. THEY went into voluntary administration. Murray International Holdings and Whyte were WELL aware of the implications of borrowing from Ticketus. MIH MUST have told Whyte how to borrow money on club assets. An illegal act.

 

But still, "scandal", "forced to liquidate". Aye, okay.

[Dr.PeterVenkman]

Looks like they're keeping those titles though, that was all the Bobby Sands memorial boys were fussed about right?

 

Absolute scandal that they were forced to liquidate over a trumped up charge, fair enough about the appeal but the fact is two judges said it was bollocks

 

Shite attempt at baiting, but it's what we have come to expect.

 

They died. Get over it. Who cares about past titles? Nobody cares about "The Rangers" any more. They are a complete irrelevance. They haven't been mentioned in footballing terms by anyone of importance since August, even when they lost to Stirling Albion.

 

They've hidden documentation from Scottish footballing authorities for years. The investigation is into the use of dual contracts, not if tax was avoided on EBTs (as the BTC has ruled) If anything, the ruling has found evidence that there was dual contacts, whether tax was or wasn't paid on it is neither here nor there. THEY went into voluntary administration. Murray International Holdings and Whyte were WELL aware of the implications of borrowing from Ticketus. MIH MUST have told Whyte how to borrow money on club assets. An illegal act.

 

But still, "scandal", "forced to liquidate". Aye, okay.

 

Who's we? Everyone, literally EVERYONE, was happy to listen to all of Rangers' alleged wrong doings but when a major decision happens in Rangers favour then its "Oh well theres still an appeal" the whole thing is bollocks, you've got your free pass into the Champions League qualifiers sorted for a few more years so you shouldn't be too fussed

[Big Jock Knew]

Looks like they're keeping those titles though, that was all the Bobby Sands memorial boys were fussed about right?

 

Absolute scandal that they were forced to liquidate over a trumped up charge, fair enough about the appeal but the fact is two judges said it was bollocks

 

Shite attempt at baiting, but it's what we have come to expect.

 

They died. Get over it. Who cares about past titles? Nobody cares about "The Rangers" any more. They are a complete irrelevance. They haven't been mentioned in footballing terms by anyone of importance since August, even when they lost to Stirling Albion.

 

They've hidden documentation from Scottish footballing authorities for years. The investigation is into the use of dual contracts, not if tax was avoided on EBTs (as the BTC has ruled) If anything, the ruling has found evidence that there was dual contacts, whether tax was or wasn't paid on it is neither here nor there. THEY went into voluntary administration. Murray International Holdings and Whyte were WELL aware of the implications of borrowing from Ticketus. MIH MUST have told Whyte how to borrow money on club assets. An illegal act.

 

But still, "scandal", "forced to liquidate". Aye, okay.

 

Who's we? Everyone, literally EVERYONE, was happy to listen to all of Rangers' alleged wrong doings but when a major decision happens in Rangers favour then its "Oh well theres still an appeal" the whole thing is bollocks, you've got your free pass into the Champions League qualifiers sorted for a few more years so you shouldn't be too fussed

 

Very scientific analysis.

[The Cum Doctor]

The tax case is almost completely irrelevant to the SPL case anyways. Nothing Rangers did was illegal in the eyes of the law. Fair enough. But it may well have been illegal in the eyes of the SPL. Which is a completely different matter so this...

 

Looks like they're keeping those titles though, that was all the Bobby Sands memorial boys were fussed about right?

 

...really doesn't have much to it right now.