Paid Members Carbomb Posted May 31, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted May 31, 2011 It would make a nice change if for once and I know this for the most part is a completely alien concept to some people but maybe for 1 yeh don't ask for help on a forum and secondly instead of adding yet another company that essentially uses the same wrestlers in a slightly different way, I dunno maybe work with another promoter in helping establish their group in a new area. I know that might mean you'd come across as someone not after making a quick buck but there'd be no harm in bucking the trend.  I say this because up north we have GPW (Wigan), Futureshock (Stockport) and XWA (Morecambe) who have been working together sharing talent and other things and its actually working and I just think it'd be better if one of those had an extra show as they are established brands instead of someone unknown coming along not doing a great job, being written off on the old "ohhh it was his first show let him off" but then nobody attending the shows in that area because it wasnt as good as it should have been when if it had been under one of the brands and you'd just promoted it it'd prob do ok. Bit crazy I know but if promoting the show was all you had to worry about it'd be a lot less stress and a lot more likely to succeed then say if you had to promote, book, ensure everything ran smoothly on the day etc. Those problems would be removed by the established brand using the formula that works for them and it does work otherwise the 3 wouldnt have been in business for so long (8 years for GPW, ok so XWA as a brand name hasnt been going for that long but their format has been going since 2003 and Futureshock, 7 years).  Course you won't even read this but hey at least I tried!   What I have never understood is why you all dont just merge into one brand name? Wouldnt that be more beneficial than having 3 seperate companies, operating close by, with generally the same wrestlers?  Same reason why there are always loads of promotions dotted around the UK: ego. Loads of guys want to do it their way, and don't want the arse-ache of having to compromise and work with someone else who might have a different vision, despite the fact it'd be much more effective and beneficial to the UK wrestling scene as a whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Atkins Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Why not design a wrestling show with a "positive message" whether it be anti-racism, anti-bullying, anti-drugs or whatever and try and get some gigs in schools or youth centres etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fludder99 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Why not design a wrestling show with a "positive message" whether it be anti-racism, anti-bullying, anti-drugs or whatever and try and get some gigs in schools or youth centres etc? Â Â dont kids just watch TNA for the anti drugs message? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamond_dust Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Why not design a wrestling show with a "positive message" whether it be anti-racism, anti-bullying, anti-drugs or whatever and try and get some gigs in schools or youth centres etc? Â Ah I can just see it now. Johnny Moss with all his track marks from injecting himself roids giving an excellent promo on not shooting up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiffy Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 A wrestling show with shy fx on the decks? Aimed at students. in freshers week. Interesting idea, certainly. Ignore more people on here, the product you're talking about puttiing on bears no relation to the product most promotors put on, your target audience is completely different. Get the uni on board, and try and gauge interest for it at the uni, if 99% of freshers think wrestling is fake and gay then you won't be able to change their mind with the wrestlers you can afford, and all the shy fx tunes going on you can find won't stop them laughing at your silly pretend fighting. If on the other hand there's a fair amount who alread like wrestling in some form, it could possily work, if you put a decent card together. Do you know enough about british talent to know who you'd like to put on the card? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members GlennCullen Posted June 1, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted June 1, 2011 A wrestling show with shy fx on the decks? Aimed at students. in freshers week. Interesting idea, certainly. Ignore more people on here, the product you're talking about puttiing on bears no relation to the product most promotors put on, your target audience is completely different. Get the uni on board, and try and gauge interest for it at the uni, if 99% of freshers think wrestling is fake and gay then you won't be able to change their mind with the wrestlers you can afford, and all the shy fx tunes going on you can find won't stop them laughing at your silly pretend fighting. If on the other hand there's a fair amount who alread like wrestling in some form, it could possily work, if you put a decent card together. Do you know enough about british talent to know who you'd like to put on the card? Â Exactly. It's freshers during freshers week, they're absolute sheep. It'll appeal to them in the same sort of way wearing Topman t-shirts with the cookie monster on does because "I remember that from when I was a kid". If the show doesn't take itself too seriously and there's plenty of booze flowing it could work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members DJ Kris Posted June 1, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted June 1, 2011 Same reason why there are always loads of promotions dotted around the UK: ego. Loads of guys want to do it their way, and don't want the arse-ache of having to compromise and work with someone else who might have a different vision, despite the fact it'd be much more effective and beneficial to the UK wrestling scene as a whole. I'd say having a different vision is a valid reason for not merging with someone else, as is wanting to run your company as a business (please don't laugh ) forgetting that we're talking wrestling for a moment, if we were talking about shoe shops on a high street, while mergers do take place you wouldn't find it odd that they remained competition since each wants to run their business their way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Dead Mike Posted June 1, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted June 1, 2011 'Different Vision'?? It's hardly a multi-national company with a TV product. Surely the only 'vision' at this level is putting on a night of matches, using the best talent available for your budget, starting & finishing on time, selling enough tickets to turn a profit & your audience going home happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiffy Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 'Different Vision'?? It's hardly a multi-national company with a TV product. Surely the only 'vision' at this level is putting on a night of matches, using the best talent available for your budget, starting & finishing on time, selling enough tickets to turn a profit & your audience going home happy. Â Well yes, but how you use the talent, which talent you use, which product you create to try and acheive those goals, that's the vision. Mark sloan and and brian dixon have the same goals you mentioned above, but completely differenet visions as to how they acheive. In closing, don't be such a pratt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members DJ Kris Posted June 1, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted June 1, 2011 'Different Vision'?? It's hardly a multi-national company with a TV product. Surely the only 'vision' at this level is putting on a night of matches, using the best talent available for your budget, starting & finishing on time, selling enough tickets to turn a profit & your audience going home happy. Â Well yes, but how you use the talent, which talent you use, which product you create to try and acheive those goals, that's the vision. Mark sloan and and brian dixon have the same goals you mentioned above, but completely differenet visions as to how they acheive. In closing, don't be such a pratt. Well said, I had no idea how to respond to such silly comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayneisatwat Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Same reason why there are always loads of promotions dotted around the UK: ego. Pot, Kettle, Black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Same reason why there are always loads of promotions dotted around the UK: ego. Pot, Kettle, Black. Â Given that Carbomb isn't a promotor... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted June 1, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted June 1, 2011 Same reason why there are always loads of promotions dotted around the UK: ego. Pot, Kettle, Black. Â Given that Carbomb isn't a promotor... Â Yeah, was gonna say. I've attemped once to promote a show, and that was as part of an attempt to help expand the company I was working for, and, oddly enough, to actually help the promoter to avoid having to do everything himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Dead Mike Posted June 1, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted June 1, 2011 'Different Vision'?? It's hardly a multi-national company with a TV product. Surely the only 'vision' at this level is putting on a night of matches, using the best talent available for your budget, starting & finishing on time, selling enough tickets to turn a profit & your audience going home happy. Â Well yes, but how you use the talent, which talent you use, which product you create to try and acheive those goals, that's the vision. Mark sloan and and brian dixon have the same goals you mentioned above, but completely differenet visions as to how they acheive. In closing, don't be such a pratt. Â Get fucked. Â Dixon's the most successful promoter in the UK & (from what I can tell) Mark Sloan specialises in bringing over exports to appeal to a niche fanbase of which he's got the market cornered. In both cases you're talking about established, successful promoters who have mastered the basics & then ventured into specific areas. A far cry from someone running his first gig or a pissant promotion selling tickets to a handful of people for every show. If more Britwres promoters concentrated on the fundamentals & spent less time worrying about their 'vision' (ie. Playing at being Vince) then maybe the vast majority of UK wrestling shows wouldn't be dogshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Freebird Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 (ie. Playing at being Vince) Â Not attempting to disagree with either side of this discussion, but please could you expand on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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