David Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 So for the money he helped draw, is $2.5 million that big of a return for Ken to get from those three fights! What do you think he was due? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimufctna24 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Also, Jon Anik and Kenny Florian will be the B-Team for UFC commentary and will announce on the FX show this Friday. I am not a fan of Florian's commentary, but at least it will be a refreshing change from Rogan and Goldie. I like them but it is always nice to mix things up a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
METAL ON METAL Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 On the debate about fighter pay, Sean McCorkle posted a very indepth look at it on the UG. Well worth a read:   I keep hearing so many things back and forth on the issue I thought I'd give the UG the real story on UFC pay. At least as it pertains to me. During my 3 fight stint with the UFC the paid me exactly 150% what they were contractually obligated to pay me. That is without a KO/Sub/Fight of the night bonus of any kind. That is even though I lost 2 of my 3 fights.  I got a discretionary bonus after all 3 of my fights, even an amount equal to my what would have been my win bonus after my embarrassing performance against Stephan Struve. I was told that was given to me based strictly on the effort I put in to promoting the fight, and not because of how I performed.  I am currently unaware of any pro sports franchise that pays any player more money than they are obligated to do so.  Sponsorship wise during those 3 fights I made an average each fight of about 75% of what I was contracted to be paid by the UFC. So if my purse for fighting was $10,000 I made approximately $7,500 in sponsors on average.  Take an average fighter's reported pay for a televised fight, and double it, and you'll have a rough number of the amount he made on that fight. So if a guy is reported at $12,000 to show, and $12,000 to win, chances are he'll make around $50,000 by the time it's all said and done for that fight.  As far as the main event fighters and big stars like Brock, GSP, Anderson Silva, who share in the PPV revenue, the reported numbers are not even in the ballpark. GSP might be reported to make $250,000 when he in fact made $3-$4 million.  To give you some more perspective on how fighting in the UFC compares to other organizations, this is how my career pay breaks down ranked dollar wise.  1. Stefan Struve 2. Mark Hunt 3. My other 12 non UFC fights all combined 4. Christian Morecraft  So I made more in each of 2 of my 3 UFC fights than I did in all of my 12 non UFC fights combined. I made barely less against Christian Morecraft than I did in the other 12 combined.  I've owned my own business in the past and had over 130 employees at one point, so I've been on both sides of the coin. This is how I see it. The Fertittas risked millions of dollars of their own money on a sport that nobody would touch, and have turned it into a billion dollar business. Those who take the risk, deserve the reward no matter how astronomical it may become.  As an employee, you are only worth as much as someone is willing to pay you. If guys are unhappy in the UFC and someone is offering them more money, then by all means they should jump all over the opportunity. Affliction paid Tim Sylvia $800,000 to fight Fedor, when his contract at the time with the UFC was around $100k to show, and $100k to win. Who could blame him for taking the Affliction offer? I know that's what I would have done. Andrei Arlovski got $600,000 to fight Ben Rothwell so he left the UFC when he also was making approximately $100k/$100k.  Now I realize I'm going to get hit with "you're just kissing the UFC's ass because you want back in", and that's fine. Because if I said negative things about them, it'd be "you're just mad that they cut you, so you're trying to settle the score." I lose either way, so I might as well be honest.  After I was released from the UFC they have since began providing health insurance for their contracted fighters for injuries incurred during training, as well as twitter bonuses, so the money just keeps getting better.  On the issue of a fighter union, I've never really seen that as a positive thing. Unions are, it seems, always corrupt and normally, like everything else in life, are set up and ran for the benefit of a very few. Unions might mean higher fighter pay, but that in turn will result in higher PPV, merchandise, and ticket prices for the fans. Unions also mean the possibility of work stoppages, which are disastrous for any sport.  Part of the solution to the entire issue would be fighters fighting more often. I realize that time is needed between fights for a lot of the headlining guys in order to market and promote the fight, but under card and lower level guys could fight 5-6 times a year easily barring major injury. The beatings you take in the gym on a weekly basis are often times as bad or worse than what you endure during a fight. NFL players play once a week every week for 4-6 months straight. NBA players play 3x a week for 6 months straight.  As the sport continues to grow, the fighter pay will as well. Until the UFC has a complete monopoly on the industry and there literally is no other option, like the NFL has on football, then the discussion of fighter pay is irrelevant. If guys are worth more than they are being paid, then they should go out and get it. I always told that to my employees, and I never begrudged even one of them for taking a better job somewhere else. That's life.  THE END BITCHES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
METAL ON METAL Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Uh-oh:  King Mo tests positive for steroid Drostanalone  Muhammed "King Mo" Lawal, the former Strikeforce light heavyweight champion who returned to the cage on January 7, may not be back in the cage any time soon after testing positive for a banned steroid.  Lawal tested positive for Drostanalone, the Nevada State Athletic Commission announced today.  Drostanalone can be used as a medication for lowering cholesterol and is sometimes prescribed to cancer patients, but it is also used as a performance-enhancing substance. It is particularly known as a steroid that athletes and bodybuilders use when they are attempting to maintain strength and muscle mass while cutting weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimufctna24 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Oh fuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Snake Plissken Posted January 17, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted January 17, 2012 Rampage is going to have a field day with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mole Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 It's in a lot of over the counter products and he may have took it by mistake but a professional fighter should be more aware of this type of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 It's in a lot of over the counter products and he may have took it by mistake but a professional fighter should be more aware of this type of thing. Bas Rutten made a good point about those fighters who claim they took a banned substance in an "over the counter" product. Why don't they come forward with the product in question and make a big noise about it? Most of them don't, do they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Egg Shen Posted January 17, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted January 17, 2012 yeh, Bas's point is the obvious solution to this entire thing, you never hear of the product being names. Â Mo's responded: Â "I'm very surprised about this. I am very careful about what I put into my body. I've never tested positive for a performance-enhancing drug. I've gone through, and still welcome, Olympic-style testing. I will do whatever is necessary to get to the bottom of this. I'm not a cheater. I might cheat at video games, but I never cheat at fighting." Â i was actually gutted when i heard the news, i'm a big King Mo fan, and the main reason for that is that he's such a fan of combat sports himself, he's the one guy you'd expect to abide by the rules and show respect to the sport. I was pretty shocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
METAL ON METAL Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted January 18, 2012 Author Share Posted January 18, 2012 Does anyone really believe that the majority of top level fighters (and other athletes) are clean? It's just a case of Mo getting his timing wrong and getting caught out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Bus Surfer Posted January 19, 2012 Paid Members Share Posted January 19, 2012 The Career mode in Undisputed 3 is said to have had a massive overhaul, the ridiculous stat management has been taken out completely. Here's a write up about the way it plays.  I already had a lengthy play session in the Undisputed Alpha last month, so I was familiar with the game play which is so improved over last year you probably won't even believe me when I praise it. It's important to point out how much I loved EA MMA and how much I loathed UFC 2010, but even with that said I still played UFC 2010 like a cheap piano. I went through 2010's career mode in four weight classes, so I had an idea of what horror I might be getting into in this dark San Francisco club. My fears were quickly soothed, but first, the controls. UFC 3 is by no means an easy game. Even with the 'Amateur' controls. When you watch matches between players who are just starting out on the game, fights will look reminiscent of the previous installments: IE Rock em Sock em Robots. It's only after a few hours that you will truly be able to understand the nuances of the game, using feints and sways, grinding your opponent into the cage, and it's because of this somewhat difficult learning curve I found the game play very rewarding, even though I was aware of how polarizing it could be to a novice. The career mode starts and footage of Royce Gracie in the SEG days of the UFC flashes up on the screen. I think to myself 'thank you'. Within the first half hour of the game I felt like this game was made for me, for the EA MMA fans, for the fans of the sport that have have taken the time to learn the history if they weren't there to live it. And if you are a new fan, this game has a Cliff's notes of the sport that feels more genuine than even EA MMA's admirable job. Especially due to all of the licenses Zuffa owns. Footage of Rampage, Rich Franklin and others fighting in the WFA as you start out is awesome, it gave me a feeling of purpose and I reveled in it. I couldn't wait to create my digital MMA fighter and get in there.  The character creation is a lot like 2010 but with much, much more to do. I don't think I have to go too deep into it, if you've played the previous games you get the idea. I create a welterweight fighter who's main school is Karate, decide to train at Black House (mural on the wall and everything) then head into my first WFA fight in which I get choked out in the first round. Damn. I put the game on a harder setting than suggested when I was first calibrating my career mode with the built in tutorial. That's fine though, plenty of fighters have have lost their first pro fight. After a few 'tune up' fights I go 6-2 over and I get the call I've been waiting for: my title shot in the WFA. Between each fight you have two weeks to train and build up stats or learn new moves. I like my skill set, so I improve my cardio and then take a look at my opponent, he's a wrestler and I have horrible TD defense. This is a tough decision. I decide a stiff drink will help me figure it out. As I make my way over to the bar I'm mulling over my two options; I could game plan for having to fight off my back, giving me a boost to all necessary stats for that fight, or I could have more confidence in myself and just train in my take down defense or fighting off my back. I lean over the bar top, deep in thought. I must have looked troubled as the bartender shot me a concerned glance as he wiped dry some newly cleaned pint glasses. He throws his rag over his shoulder and talks me through my decision. He understands what's on the line, and even though I'm in San Francisco he told me through a thick Boston accent that preparation is the key to everything in life. That settles it, I decide to game plan for fighting off my back. If I got this WFA belt the guys at Black House would stop pranking me and I would be in the UFC in no time. This was it, my time to shine.  My opponent never had a chance to take me down. I knocked him out in just over a minute with a kick Lyoto Machida taught me. Ed Soares runs into the cage celebrating. Back in San Francisco I sip my drink as I watch my digital self fist pump and scream. He worked so hard for this fight, and I have no doubt God was with me when I won that WFA belt. But now what? The UFC has offered me an undercard fight on a Fight Night broadcast, but I decide I want to cement my legacy in the WFA. I defend my belt twice more then lose it to the same guy who made me tap in my first match. I train submissions and ground fighting, win my next two fights and I get my rematch. The champ comes out and wants to touch gloves but I kick him in the head instead, which is met with a chorus of boos and chants of "bullsh**". This time our match is a four round brawl that leaves me the bloody victor. I would defend multiple submission attempts and the fight would go on to win Fight Of The Year. I was tired, but 4 years into my career and with a 12-4 record the UFC decided to offer me either a main card spot on a Fight Night broadcast or an undercard slot on a PPV. I decide to move on to the UFC, relinquishing my belt in the WFA to prepare for a match against Matt Hughes.   The best way to put it is like this: the career mode has way less micromanagement and way more fighting. After losing to Hughes via a doctor stoppage, I go on a six fight win streak, including some late fill in fights that I took at the last second to get in the good graces of Dana and Joe Silva. Eventually I get offered a spot in the Pride GP. I could have main evented a UFC PPV, but this was too good to pass up. It's every fight fans dream. I make my way out as Lenne Hardt screams my name. I battle my way through the legendary Pride tournament, eventually knocking out Mark Munoz with a glorious soccer kick in the final round and I'm awash in confetti with the adulation of thousands of Japanese fight fans pouring over me. All that while holding a gigantic trophy. Life is good.  Then I lose my next four fights in a row.  I'm not a guy who blames their camp or anything, but I think the weight cut was getting to my character. Black House was insisting that I should fight at 170, when I knew my money weight was at 85. Sorry Anderson, you're 42 now and not even the champion. You see, after a long winning or losing streak you have the option of moving up or down a weight class, so I move up to 185 for the last five years of my career with mixed results. I would go on to win the Pride GP one more time, but also lose in the opening round another year. After fifty fights I had to call it a career, finishing 6th in the middleweight division. I would never win a UFC title, but now that it's over I feel good about my career, and I'll be able to relive it through the in game highlight reel mode.  The sense of ownership over your character in this rejuvenated career mode for UFC 3 is hard to deny. Coupled with better graphics, a more responsive control scheme, deep character customization and just overall smoother gameplay, I can't help but put this right up there with EA MMA and light years beyond the previous installments. I didn't want to believe resident MiddleEasy videogame expert Tha Premiere when he told me how improved and satisfying this game was, but after a long weekend with it I believe him .  Now here I am in this dark hotel room a few hundred matches after I finished my career mode. Could this game actually be better than EA MMA? It certainly has more customization, more licensing and one of the most in depth career modes ever seen in an MMA game. It doesn't offend my intelligence as an MMA fan. It may not be the most accessible game in the world, but that's fine, I don't want that. As an MMA fan I want the Madden of MMA to come out, not the Blitz. I want it all, and fighting as Ryo Chonan Vs. Anderson Silva in the Pride ring just feels good. It's what the Gary LaPlante's of the world have always wanted. This is what the true successor to UFC 2009 should have been, an extreme step in the right direction. In fact, it's more than a step, it's a globe crossing leap. UFC 3 is without a doubt the best of the series, and even with this headache that doesn't want to go away, I'm thinking I might put in some eye drops, pop a couple aspirin and go upstairs to play more while I still can. It's that good. And don't forget, if you like UFC Undisputed's Facebook page you can get Overeem for free. Post horse meat Overeem in Pride? Yes, please.  Some videos    I really can't wait for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig The Hunter Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 That sounds absolutely amazing. Cannot wait for this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pryko Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Just pre-ordered this game, so looking forward to this even more now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackie Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Demo for the game is being released on tuesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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