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Nice summation. the characters and stories in AAA tend to be more interesting than the action. Just one thing though; I would be surprised if Hector Garza was ever near the CMLL booking team. The only active guy who is would be Ultimo Guerrero.

 

Richie, are you into the acrobats and highflyer types? You'll get a tonne of it in AAA. Their flyers are probably the best in the world, so even though they're rarely doing much of any note in terms of the bigger picture, they manage to keep themselves occupied with little feuds on the undercards. You have the good guys - Fenix, Aerostar, Atomic Boy, Laredo Kid, Sugi, Super fly, and the excellent Drago who you probably saw the awesome pic of yesterday (although he's often further up the card). They do battle with some fun veteran rudos, and the milicia who are basically the lowest ranked of all the factions under the 'sociedad' umbrella. They're never classics or anything, but they can be pretty spectacular. Highflying innovation is a feature that's always been associated with AAA.

Apparently 9.5 hours of it is televised each week. Seemingly all of that reaches YouTube.

That's bloody depressing. It's pretty shit nowadays so the extra tv makes no difference, whilst back in the days when it was fantastic, it only aired for one hour a week, taking in the Arena Mex semi and main only. All us lucha fans were praying for more tv in those days. Even when it went to 2hrs in total, it was still always the same group you saw because it just showed the top 2 from both Arena Mex and Coliseo, so there' was an absolute tonne of stuff you were missing out on.

 

9.5 hours of CMLL tv in the first half of 00's would've been wrestling heaven for me. The promotion and roster was so good back then.

What is the best way to keep up with AAA ? I caught a match on youtube last night that seemed to be from last month, and was very impressed with what i saw. For what its worth, It involve Psicosis (now back under the old mask), Juvi (who looked to be in much better place personally), Teddy Hart and Jack Evans for the Cruiserweight belt.

 

If any body can help, that'd be fantastic!

AAA tv is mostly all up on youtube. It's only one show per week which works out at 3 or 4 matches. There's sometimes local tv shows uploaded too, but i'm not sure if that shows anything different, vamp'll tell you.

 

I think warriorsx2000 still puts up whole shows, but if not, you can watch the individual matches on thecubsfans channel (or download from his blog if you like)

 

You're not wrong about Juventud. He's looking pretty good these days and seems in excellent shape. Hart and Evans are hideous though. It's hard to find the words to adequate describe just how dreadful those two dicks are.

The only things MEXPRO and PDM have in common is Bestia 666 and Damien 666. Other than that, its mostly locals from the area and some lower level indy guys from mexico.

 

Not strictly true. Halloween and X-Fly are also part of PDM, or were at the time. Although I think I was thinking of the Xtremo y Sangriento as a MEXPRO show rather than a PDM show. I dunno, I can't say say I pay much attention to the hardcore lucha stuff.

I think DTU and IWL are the more prominent lucha garbage promotions that feature a lot of PdM/AAA guys with the odd US indie/backyard name popping up. There's a Project-X too, but I think they've only run a couple of shows, i'm only aware of them as I was intrigued by one of their matches with ECW guys vs all the Parka's.

I wished I had saw that unexpectedly. Would've been an awesome spot, especially in the context of a Benoit/Lyger match.

 

Got me thinking about dives from the top to the floor. There can't have been too many of them in the US big leagues. Fatu inexplicably done it in a meaningless squash. Psicosis onto Rey Jr too at BATB96. Chris Daniels from a springboard in that spotfest with Modest on Nitro. Then there was Pierre Oullett with his cannonball once in TNA. And more recently, Jeff with the swanton onto Angle.

 

There must be a few other examples, especially from all those x-division nutters over the years.

Going in they had three choices: Stump up to buy the big names out of their Time Warner contracts,

 

Why does everyone oversimplify that to present it as a viable option? For a start you're going to have to offer considerably more than the Time Warner contracts, which were already stupid, because you're asking them to actually work ,what was to them at that point, a mental schedule. Many of them were pretty used to other benefits in their contracts too. But the bigger issue is that it's not just paying them more, it's paying your own roster more. IF these new guys come in on mental contracts than the likes of Austin, Rock and 'Taker are goign to get pissed and want more money so you're going to have to pay them as well, and keep on paying them. Adn heaven forbid you offer the WCW guys the other benefits they had to their contracts. Maybe they could have brought in one guy. But I always find it moronic how people never being up the flip side, it's not just a case of WWE wantign to brign them in, it's a case of these wrestlers wanting to actually go out on the road again for less money. DDP did and look his WWE career went. Even if the WWE did decide to be tits and dramatically increase the wages of their headliners for ever, over one angle that would always have only lasted about a year anyway, would you agree to go fron being able to relax at home for a massive wage to working five nights a week? Adn even if you decide to argue that the WWE could have offered them contracts without house show dates you're being an even bigger idiot, because than the otherh eadliners could ask for the same kind of cushy deal. Then no one of any worth is working house shows.

 

It just wasn't that great of an option for the company, nor the wrestlers involved.

That could all be 100% spot on - I have no idea, I don't involve myself with all the business stuff and inside goings on.

 

But really, what does it matter? We're not accountants, whether it was economically efficient or not, it was still the only way an invasion angle would have been any good. As fans, we wanted to see WWFs top stars vs WCWs top stars.

 

Putting a bunch of relative no-mark midcard WCW duffers up against the long established WWF superstars was never going to capture the fans imagination.

Horsemen vs Blondes on a COTC in 93 also. One of Flair's first matches back iirc.

 

Great match too, and a neat ending where the losers were actually the winners.

Yes. Right behind the driver, immediately left of his head there is a dark, mysterious face, with eerie lighting up eyes and eveything.

...and Bob the Builder in the boot.

What was the deal with that Jerry Lawler vs Jake Roberts match from WWF Summerslam 1996? A total burial that made me feel just a bit sorry for old Jake.Some of it was hilarious though.

It's ok, it just made Jake's payback on RAW a few weeks later all the more sweeter! It was indeed hilarious, the match was realy bad but I still loved the segment for all of Lawlers antics.Mid 90s Burger King was great. Remember his magistrator too?.... Macho mans face on Boogers gut & tits, shitflies swarming around the dumpster, Tito's dancing banana...... wish i could mind them all, but I do remember always getting a laugh from them back in the day.

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Seriously? I thought it was a cracking show from top to bottom, and have always thought that. Definitely one of my favourite Manias. Perhaps they were just pissed off after the Brock/Goldberg match.

Aye, that probably had a lot to do with that. But I also remember some moaning about Taker not being in full-on deadman gimmick. I also got the impression that some folk were expecting classics from the tag 4-ways, and the cruiserweight open should have went on for half an hour or so. Someone was even arguing that the 3 way wasn't very good.

 

I probably shouldn't have said 'consensus'; It might just have been a vocal minority or the same recurring posters, but there was a lot posted that i definitely couldn't relate to.

Don't think i've ever read the Benoit one since the time, but I did struggle through the WMXX one a few months ago and was taken aback by the general consensus on it. You'd think it was KOTR95 some of them were watching. Unreal just how opinions vary so greatly as I'd probably have that show in my top 5 or 6 'mania's.

EDIT: Nice work Edgar, good find. I'm almost of the belief they walked from KOTR to that arena there without getting changed, Anvil's in identical clobber there too.

I I hated that last design when he was teaming with Jarrett. Looked like it was designed by the work experience kid, the silver marking looked like a giant pair of pockets. Of course, his best attire was his sky blue 1993 rocket gear.

 

Here's one i used to wonder about, what was the script with Disco disguised as a masked luchador at Spring Breakout '99. What were their plans, and why were they scrapped?

 

Jesus Christ The fact that Jim Neidhart's got a new pair of pants on suggests Owen wore that outfit a load of times. Good for Owen. He should have wore it more.

 

I cant be the only person who loves 94-95 WWF. I just loved it. Probably because it was around the time we got Sky and I could watch it regularly, but the colour was just blinding. Everyone looked young and the wrestlers seemed faster. Hogan and Warrior were gone, but I was drinking the koolaid that they were past it and the New Generation was the next big thing. Good era. I dont care if it was so bad for business it nearly killed the company.

Of course not. 94 and 95 were great at the time. Even all the gimmicks which everyone slaughters. Duke, Lafitte, Man Mountain Rock, Mantaur, Aldo, Waylon Mercy etc etc.

 

Thing is, as young'uns, we weren't exactly watching wrestling out of duty. If it was shit to us, we wouldn't be long in chucking it.

On Shawn Michaels trading cards in 92 his finisher was listed as a back suplex. I remember at the time with jobbers he would make out to go for the suplex see it was not needed and just push them over and pin them. Did he ever use the back suplex to finish a match?

Yeah, for most squashes in 1992. Strange move, a bit like the angle slam in that it was hit or miss as to how good it looked. Depended on how the other guy took it.

 

He also used a plain old piledriver for a month or two before going on to estabish the superkick as a finisher.

I always remember that match for some reason, with Road Dogg winning with a really ugly ddt. It wasn't even something Road Dogg ever used, but Val used to work the spot into every match of his for that signature headstand bump that he did.

 

For whoever asked about other examples of "quite near the pay per view" title changes, no one seems to remember Mr Ass taking the Hardcore title from Hardcore Holly that very same night. If I remember right, that was the first time anyone (Michael Cole, actually) referred to Gunn's rocker dropper finish as "The Fame-asser." I thought it was shite then, and I still do.

Oh aye, nearly killing Holly into the bargain if i'm remembering right.

 

Wrestlemania 15 really was an absolute mess, the midcard especially, partly due to lazily thrown together shit like those switched matches, as well as the random tag title match which was utterly pointless.

I always remember that match for some reason, with Road Dogg winning with a really ugly ddt. It wasn't even something Road Dogg ever used, but Val used to work the spot into every match of his for that signature headstand bump that he did.

 

I always felt the IC belt really started to become devalued around that time when it was switching between those two, Godfather and Goldust in crap 5 minute nothing matches. It felt like it there was a new champ every couple of weeks, and Jarrett must've won the thing 3 or 4 times that spring/summer alone.

Good work with this. Never took part but did enjoying following it the last month or so.

 

Being chronically indecisive, having a bad memory, and having difficulty separating old films I've seen dozens of times from newer ones I've seen once or twice put paid to any hope in hell of me being able to pick out 10. I could maybe narrow it down to 30 or so but that would be no use to anyone. For what it's worth, some of the ones I would've considered that don't seem to have had much of a mention include The Towering Inferno, Zodiac, Smokey & The Bandit, Untouchables, Traffic, Beverly Hills Cop, First Blood, Cliffhanger, Backdraft, Carlitos Way, Mississippi Burning, Coming To America, In the Line of Fire, and The Fugitive. Then about the same number again that

If it's going to be a comedy, you know it really should be The Naked Gun!

It'd be hard to imagine a top 50 without Empire, 12 Angry Men and Shawshank Redemption. The latter 2 ould definitely been in my top 10, if I'd done one.

 

I don't care what people would have put in their lists, if they hadn't been too feckless to do one. You had literally weeks, if not months, to write down 10 films. It's like people who complain about the government but didn't bother to vote. If you really liked those films enough, you would have fucking voted

Is he complaining though? Sounds merely like he's commenting, a bit like myself.

 

I never voted either, and make no apologies for it, but I still don't feel like i'm out of line chipping in with the odd observation here & there. If the thread was only intended to be open to folk who voted, maybe you would have been better making that clear at the beginning.

Must just be me then. It was probably my 2nd most rented out Arnie vid after Commando.

 

Not that any of his films would have made my top 10, but if you did have to list 50, those two would probably sneak in lower down the list.

With all the popularity of Action & Arnie films here, I'm a bit surprised there's no sign at all of the Running Man.

The fact I wrote and recorded a grindcore song about Hans Gruber shows how much I love this movie.

 

Question for the UKFF- My Mrs is convinced that Die Hard With A Vengeance is the best of the franchise. I called her an idiot and told her she was wrong. Now like Gladders I'm fond of the first sequel, to the point where I'm willing to say it's my favourite, followed very closely by the original then the hugely under rated Die Hard 4.0 with Vengeance scraping the bottom of the barrel in last place. Anybody else agree with me? Last time I checked that was the order they were ranked on Rotton Tomatos aswell so some bugger must feel the same.

My rankings would be pretty simple. First to last = best to worst. Love the first 2. Really enjoyed With a Vengeance. And not that i'm looking for life-like realism or anything, but whilst 4.0 was ok for passing a couple of hours, it just seemed to get more ridiculous as it went on. To me It felt almost like a satire by the time it got to the end.

Nope, that's the original footage. I also thought "whoa, that's Hornswaggle", but it turns out he would have been 6 at the time.

I was the same when watching the Jake/Sting 'Spin the wheel Make the deal' promo a few weeks ago which that little guy also appeared in.

 

Raven actually looked fine in that Wrestlereunion video, in contrast to that hideous photo that was doing the rounds.

T2 never done much for me. It was great at the time watching for all the effects, but I got bored with it on repeat viewings. I would never have guessed it would be as popular as this.

 

On a slightly related note, just last week I threw out an old limited edition T2 metal boxset from my loft. Can someone reassure me that it worth jack shit and I didn't just throw away a fortune? you never know with these things whether 'limited edition' means a couple of thousand or a couple of million

Interesting sidenote about The Godfather films in this list - 8 people voted for The Godfather. 1 person voted for Part 2. Which, in my opinion, is mental.

Maybe, but with folk only getting the chance to pick 10, there would probably be a tendancy to only go for one film from any franchise/series. I'm a bit surprised that 1 is more popular than 2 because I thought the general consensus was otherwise, but I don't disagree with it, imo the first is a wee bit better. if folk actually were picking 50 of their own, you'd probably find that the two of them would be pretty close together.

 

As mentioned, I would agree that anyone seriously trying to put forward the point that the Godfether isn't very good is likely to be doing it for little more reason than just being contrary for the sake of it.

 

The Godfather is probably my fave gangster film, although I guess Goodfellas is a shoe in for the top 10. Or Once Upon A Time In America if you're a real bunch of serious buffs. Would be pretty cool if the Untouchables sneaked in somewhere though.