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  1. I'm not saying this is all about Davey. If they turned him down due to lacking charisma and his bad rep then that is fine. The problem is they turned him down due to size and they don't want anuboduy that they think is too small, which means other wtrestlers with talent, charisma and better attitudes will not get a shot.

    Based on what? If they thought they were too small, why did they even give them a tryout?

     

    People like Regal pushed fir them and they were briefly appeased.

    If only you realised how absurd you sound here. Your first post was bad enough, but the excuses and 'ah but...' responses to examples pointing out how nonsensical your point was, are just something else.

     

    On top of everything else, you must be either incredibly naive, or worse, to come to the conclusion that the WWE are now employing some sort of absolute, rigid policy of ignoring everyone under a certain height/weight regardless. It's obviously not going to be as black & white as that, but you've just jumped in after taking it as gospel that it's a simple issue of size, with no other factors at play. In the real world, things don't tend to work like that.

     

    Indeed, the subsequent, more detailed rumours hinting at why those two guys weren't signed seem entirely sensible and reasonable. Basically, they already have more than enough small, serious, workrate type guys, and those two haven't shown any other attributes that would make them stand out from the pack and put them above loads of other developmental guys in the pecking order. It's clearly understandable, as I can tell from a handful of matches that these guys, at least the Richards one, doesn't exactly have star potential - and it's nothing to do with his size.

  2. The_Texas_Tornado_-_Kerry_Von_Erich_18.jpg

     

    That was a neat little angle on Superstars, late 1990. Dustin Rhodes was being interviewed on The Brother Love Show. Dibiase, who had been feuding with Rhodes Jr & Sr, wandered out and started knocking Texas, stating that 'most Texans couldn't walk and chew bubble gum at the same time'. Dibiase and Virgil then double teamed Dustin prompting Texas Tornado Kerry Von Erich, to make the save, stating he was 'a Texan too, and damn proud of it'.

    A week later, The Million Dollar Man bought ring announcer Howard Finkel, and became the Special Guest Ring Announcer for an Intercontinental Title match between Champion Von Erich and former champion Mr Perfect. Dibiase hit our Kerry with the belt, costing him the title. Which I always thought was a bit daft, as he'd go on to feud with a title less Tornado.

     

    If you think about the four in that pic and 23 years later, one's dead, one's devout, one's delivering and one's desperate.

    What an absolute superstar the Tornado looked too. Such a shame he was finished by the time he got to the WWF. He could have been really big.

     

    It does seem a bit shocking how someone could look so good yet function so badly though. He could barely do the basics by that point and everything looked awkward. It must've been the 'problems' more than the amputation too as I've saw him in matches from the late 80s where he still moved and wrestled pretty well.

  3. Nothing wrong with that spot when seen within the context of the match itself.

    Was it supposed to be something other than a pro wrestling match? If not, there's everything wrong with it.

     

    And having suffered the misfortune of watching both of them in some matches, you couldn't pick a more fitting example to epitomise what those two are all about, and everything that's wrong with indie 'style'. There isn't a possible story within the framework of any type of wrestling match that would make that shit logical, justifiable or even just pretty neat. It's doesn't even bears any resemblance to those big Japanese adrenaline-filled rebound spots, which are invariably trotted out in its defence.

     

    If those two make it to the WWE, it should be as one-off ham'n eggers, like Rybacks fodder during his first couple of months.

  4. I'm hoping to hear tell of Davey Richards litter-picking down by the embankment.

     

    I'd quite like to see more of him wrestling - he had one of the best matches I've ever seen live at the York Hall last month. It would be lovely to see something that fresh and alive on a WWE show undercard as opposed to the plain dull formula stuff they throw out at the moment.

    Never thought i'd ever see the day when Davey Richards was thought of as a remedy to plainness and dullness.

     

    I suppose he would be an improvement on Curtis Axel, but praise can't really come any fainter than that.

  5. The Mountie looks great! He's a strange case, he's looked like a 40-something for the past 25 years or so.

     

    With Pierre still being in good shape apparently, imagine how great a reunion would be. On a bit of a tangent i know, but it would be nice if there were some decent feds who cater for nostalgia, bringing in some of these old timers for a few months run here and there.

  6. I know Bret vs Shawn was on the cards at one point for WM13. Was Taker vs Sid always the plan? What would Austin have done had Bret vs Shawn gone ahead?

     

    It's clear to me Taker vs Sid was the original plan after they had their staredown in the wake of the Bret/Shawn face to face interview on a December '96 Raw. Watching the interaction between the two in late '96 and early '97 (certainly between the night after Survivors and the Rumble) I've always believed the plan was for Austin to face a newly-turned Bulldog at the big one, since plans for Austin to turn baby were only put in place in the weeks before the show, after Hart/Austin had been announced.

     

    This would have left Owen with nothing to do, so after watching the Slammys, I'd definitely have put him with Doink.

     

    This came up not too long ago, nobody really knew, so was just filled with theories. I reckoned it might have been Austin/Rocky, someone else speculated on Austin/Vader, might've been yourself actually.

     

    At the arse end of '96, i'd be pretty confident the tentative plan for Austin was to face Pillman at WM13. I wouldn't imagine they'd have run such a controversial, high profile angle knowing at the time it wouldn't lead anywhere - I suspect Pillmans 'recovery' took 2 or 3 months longer than anticipated or he had a setback somewhere along the line.

     

    If Bulldog was turning, you'd have to think the first few months of it would have been focussed on the inevitable feud with Owen. Something like that would've been great for WM13, with Vader v Foley too. Amazing how much better that show could have sounded just by splitting that tag into two separate matches.

  7. Why does Sgt Slaughter always make it into these games? Nobody wants to play as him.

    Would be fun to play against if you could throw him into the corner and he bounced over the turnbuckle though

     

    Actually, if he could do that knuckle twist to the temple, i'd probably go him now and again.

  8. So not only does he use one of the worst songs in history that has no business being used as a wrestling entrance, he uses a cheap cover of one of the worst songs in history! It's been years since someone on the British scene has irritated me (in the right way) as much as this guy.

    Yer arse - it's a fantastic tune! :cool:

  9. Watched a bit of WWE Vintage Collection, and it reminded me how sloppy Roddy Piper could be in the ring. Some of his punches look atrocious. Reckon he could have done with watching some Jerry Lawler matches!

    Doesn't sound much like Piper. His punches and frantic, intense flurrys usually looked pretty convincing.

     

    I liked him in-ring too, even way past his prime. Sure he wasn't all pretty and photogenic in his offence, but it wouldn't have suited him if he was, he was a wild brawler type.

  10. I'm just surprised it's become such a talking point as i barely gave it a second thought when I watched it. The most notable thing I remembered about watching Punks promo was him fucking up a sentence and coming out with something which made no sense like 'i'll render you ... to tears". Maybe he meant 'reduce'

     

    It's just punk being punk. He is what he is, whether heel or babyface, and his fans don't really expect him to be all sickly sweet. He's a dick, but to those who like him, and have followed and invested in him over the years, he's their dick.

     

    However much of an anomoly he is, it works for him and he's entertaining as hell because of (or despite) it.

  11. Sin Cara's probably finished now, isn't he?

    You'd imagine so. Especially when it turns out it was just a dislocated finger. He only needed to grit his teeth and get on with it for what would no doubt have been a couple of minutes and half a dozen spots or so.

     

    His signing has just been disastrous on every imagineable level; Everything that could go badly, has. Bad performances, some awful luck, and by all accounts a rotten attitude.

     

    It's kind of difficult to recognise him from what he was up to 2010. He barely missed a step, was able to connect with the fans, carried himself like a star, was rarely injured, and was a real rugged little bugger - he often practically had to be scraped off arena floors only to keep going night after night. It's a bit of a head scratcher, although he's obviously chucked it himself and has probably just be seeing out his time for a while now.

  12. You just know that Los Matadores are going to be loads of fun, i'm looking forward to them already. It doesn't hurt that Primo's actually pretty great and underutilised either. And they should have Mascarita Dorada with them as Novillerito or something too!

     

    I've seen a rumour somewhere else that that's the plan. Probably isn't a bad use of Dorada in the 'E really, considering they haven't brought back the juniors division, he'll get to hit some of his dazzling spots and the kids should love him. Quite frankly if everyone's not in love with Dorada a couple of weeks after he debuts then something's gone wrong.

     

    Although in a way it also seems strange to use him in that spot. Nobody flies quite like Mascarita Dorada but you'd have thought there'd be cheaper alternatives for such a role. At least the tag guys are probably more liely to be considered dispensible enough for them to work as fall guys for him.

    Ha, was just a random thought as i typed too.

     

    I don't know if there really would be that many cheaper alternatives, as you don't see too many real midgets nowadays in Mexico who are athletic enough to do all the highflying, high impact stuff - especially now that Tzuki's buggered, and the original Mascarita Sagrada (Nova) and Octagoncito (Mosaic) are pretty old and probably broken down now too. There are still a lot of good mini's these day, but they tend to mostly just be smaller guys instead of real midgets who are all cute & shit for the fans to really take to them.

     

    The only alternative I can think of offhand would be the little wolf dude I saw in TxT once, Lobito. But even Mascarita's probably not demanding huge money anyway, so they're as well bringing in the best. Especially when he's unbreakable!

     

    After Mascarita's in, they can then bring in Pierrothito or the old Espectrito and dust off the old Torito suit from '97 :)

     

    EDIT: Fuck, forgot Dinastia! He's probably borderline real midget too! Maybe a bit big...

  13. They're fucked for top-line fully active heels as well to be honest. Pickings are quite slim in the main event bracket.

    Fair point too when you consider Punk's recently turned. I guess Triple H can go full time (for PPV anyway) for a bit though, and as unimpressive as he's been to me so far, Wyatt beating Kane pretty much positions him pretty near the top (not that he'll be main-eventing, granted). I see the biggest gap on the heel side as being lack of a 'Heyman guy' for Punk to keep himself occupied with. Surely Perfects extremely boring son isn't going to cut it if Lesnar's off for a few months.

     

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    You just know that Los Matadores are going to be loads of fun, i'm looking forward to them already. It doesn't hurt that Primo's actually pretty great and underutilised either. And they should have Mascarita Dorada with them as Novillerito or something too!

  14. Something that's struck me from paying a bit more attention this past week is just how depleted they are in terms of top babyfaces at this moment. Compare with Wrestlemania time; between injuries, heel turns and hiatuses, they now don't have Cena, Orton, Kane, Triple H, Rey Jr, Sheamus, Undertaker, Rock, Ryback, Del Rio, and Jericho.

     

    It's not a lot of depth. Can Bryan, Punk and RVD hold the fort sufficiently and see out the year themselves? Menry and Big Show are around to take some of the strain, certainly, but they look to be sidetracked with the tag division. Ziggler, Miz, Christian and Rhodes seem positively midcard to me, without much real potential to step up in the short term.

     

    Are we expecting to see some big returns? babyface turns? new stars being created?

  15. Nobody will agree with me and this isn't in a massive let down sense, but my least favourite PPV personally is WrestleMania X8. Hated everything about it and still do. Left me feeling horribly depressed about my beloved wrestling. Upsets me even thinking about it. Flair vs Undertaker and Arns delicious spinebuster are the only things I remotely like about the whole thing.

    Nah, I have an awful dislike of that one too. It was an absolute turkey yet it had the potential to be one of the best. Take the two obvious matches away and it was a collection of RAW matches basically. 2002 was a pretty good year for PPVs too with all the variety and different eras mixing.

     

    Starrcade 97's a bit like that for me too. In absolute terms, of course it's not the worst, but relatively speaking, and taking all circumstances into account, it doesn't get much poorer. Nothing obviously needs said about Sting/Hogan, but we were also let down with Flair/Perfect and Raven/Benoit, both which could've been great. No Nash/Giant either, and not even a replacement match even though Hall was there. Eddy/Malenko was at least a step up from their ECW wankathons, but still lacked any excitement. Luger/Buff went on forever and slowly drained your will to live, and 'pre-Goldberg' Goldberg and Mongo were putting on a clinic. On top of that you had no Rey jr or Jericho (even though that would've been a perfect opportunity to sow the seeds of his heel turn), no luchadors, Savage hidden away in multiman filler, no sign of half the midcard - Finlay, Booker, Disco, Faces of Fear etc. It was just such a limp show, and it couldn't have happened at a worse time with such a big audience. I can't imagine too many of the newcomers would be too impressed.

     

    Actually, for being considered one of WCWs top events, Starrcade has a pretty shit record for good shows post-80s.

     

    In WCW, you could put forward an argument for almost anything from Starrcade 94 through to, and most definitely including Bash at the Beach 95, and between GAB 1999 and New Blood Rising which is more than a dozen shows! :laugh:

  16. I'd echo the shouts for Superbrawl II, Beach Blast 92 and Spring Stampede 94 (not so much Starrcade 97 or the Superbrawl I tag), but would also add Souled Out 98 as it's brilliant. Other ones that are a lot of fun include Slamboree 94 and Great American Bash '96. Also, whilst Bash at the Beach '94 and '96 are more renowned for their historical significance, they're both pretty fun shows in their own right.

     

    If you fancy seeing a bit of a snapshot of how things were latterly, most will probably tell you to check out one of their three 2001 PPVs, but i'd go back a few months for Fall Brawl 2000, which is a great little event imo, and not wholly because of the hugely pimped Goldberg/Steiner.

     

    To be fair, it's hard to go wrong with almost anything from 1997 into the first half of '98. It might not all be snowflake heavy, but the variety almost always made for a fun, well balanced show - except Starrcade oddly enough, which, for all it's big time feel and historical significance, was pretty grim viewing. And made all the worse by virtue of the fact it was an amazing time for WCW with all the happenings, unreal roster, and all the new additions.

     

    And of course, if you want to go way back, some of the best shows were in the late 80s and 1990, with the likes of GAB '89 which many consider the best ever, and '90 which is probably about as good as it;s going to get if you're into tag team wrestling. Capitol Combat was a great show too imo.

     

    I'd probably just skip all the World War III's unless something on the undercard catches your eye. In theory it sounds like a great concept, and seeing the visual of 60 guys in 3 rings is pretty neat, but after that novelty's worn off, they generally descend into an unwatchable mess. In practice, the concept just doesn't work imo, you can barely tell what's going on.

  17. I could really be doing with listing an old manager from around 4 years ago as a reference for a job interview, but for a number of reasons I'm pretty uncomfortable about contacting him again and would rather not if at all possible. When I left I had permission to use his name, and I did for a year or two afterwards. But not knowing the general etiquette and what's the done thing, would it still be fine to list him after so long based on his ok from back then, or is he likely to see that as rude and disrespectful?

     

    I know the advice for the purposes of getting the best reference would be to contact him to give a heads up and make sure he's not taken by surprise, but I'm not really bothered about that as I know i'll get a good one no probs if it comes to that. I'm just a bit clueless about whether the green light to use him as a reference still stands 4 years later and it's fair game, or if that would be considered poor form?

  18. Cheers for the recommendations Reznor! To be honest I reckon I could watch Park do anything. I'm about to get Dandy vs. Park on the go. Got any Shocker matches I should be checking out?

     

    There doesn’t seem to be a whole lot on the streaming sites from Shocker that I could use to put forward a case for his greatness. If only I had one of those VHS converters.

     

    To be fair, he’s not so much one of those guys with an amazing portfolio full of high end motyc’s and whatnot (although a lot of the stuff below was highly pimped at the time). He’s more about the overall package – the character, gimmicks, promos, skits, entrance, comedy etc in addition to the solid ringwork. Not that I even understood half the stuff he was saying, but he was captivating and had a great presence about him. He’d always entertain in trios matches, no matter what role he was in.

     

    Here's some decent stuff I could find, but most of these are kinda workrate heavy, Japan influenced 02-03 stuff. I wouldn’t say they particularly encapsulate his persona, maybe with the exception of the mask match which was awesome in its own right with the intertwining feuds, story and drama. I still hated that such a big match and heated feud wasn’t just built as an epic mano a mano instead of a short one fall mini-match, but it was still great. Shockers heel turn back in 1999 was particularly fun.

     

    I imagine he’s probably someone who it’s more fun to have followed on a weekly basis to see what shenanigans he'd be getting up to, than going back to cherry pick individual pieces of good stuff that stand out. So just go out buy all the CMLL TV blocks from 1999 and 2000 and you’ll see!

     

    Anyways;

     

    Anniversary Show 1999. Parejas Increibles, with losing team facing off

     

    Shocker vs Dr Wagner (March 2002) (CMLL World Light Heavyweight title defence)

     

    Shocker vs Ultimo Guerrero (December 2002) (CMLL World Light Heavyweight title defence)

     

    Shocker v Vampiro - hair vs hair

     

    Shocker v Tarzan Boy

     

    Anniversary show 2002, CMLL tag titles

     

     

    And some of those Park matches I mentioned, along with some randoms;

     

    Guadalajara

     

     

    - this definitely was on TWC as I remember it.

     

     

    LA Park, Marco Corleone vs Dr Wagner, Dos Caras Jr

     

    Can't find anything other than highlights of those tag title matches I mentioned earlier, which is a shame as they were real good.

     

    If you rate Dandy as one of the best ever, it can only be based on his late 80s/early 90s stuff against the likes of Casas, Angel Azteca and Pirata Morgan etc.. The 2004 match is still good fun, but it doesn't compare to any of those classics during his prime.

  19. Ah, I knew Shocker was a star at the time and kind of remember Park being about but never paid much attention to it. I might check some of it out.

     

    Aye, you should if you can find much. A lot of good stuff around that period. That goes for his whole career. A comp of his best stuff and major feuds showing his evolution from the early days to present would be fantastic.

     

    I wouldn't be surprised if you prefer Park's current day stuff to when he was in CMLL though, but you'll still like it. He was still the same Park obviously, but there was little in the way of his great brawling, a bit less emphasis on him just flat out being the boss, and more on fitting into the environment and bringing the workrate as a flashy tecnico. It was kinda cool though, it was like seeing a whole new side to him that we'd never seen before, Needless to say, he excelled at that side of things too. He had some high profile singles matches back around then which were highly rated too; vs Dandy from an indie fed, a couple v Ultimo Guerrero in the provincial arenas, and at the big Anniversary show spring to mind (although that one was clipped to hell). They should all be up on youtube.

     

    I loved Shocker. He was great fun, all the way from the mid 90s until he left for AAA a decade or so later. You'd definitely want to check out any of his stuff from back in the day. Masked or unmasked, rudo or tecnico, serious or comedy - he was a real highlight for me. Loads of great matches against the likes of Rey Bucanero, Tarzan Boy, Mr Niebla and Wagner. Actually, along with Park he'd quite easily be in my favourite 10 luchadors ever. Maybe even top 5. Great wrestler, look, gimmick, international experience, and with charisma just oozing from him. Speaks perfect English too. He had all the tools to do much better in the US than he did.

     

    The CMLL roster was just ridiculously loaded back around that period.

     

    PS. did you see that match signed for Blue Panthers anniversary show? Christ....

  20. I remember TWC showing footage of CMLL but I wasn't paying any attention to it at the time, when was the footage from?

    Started around January 2004 and continued on weekly from there until whenever it was cut a few months later. Can't remember exact dates, but probably around May - just prior to Mistico debuting.

     

    Loads of your man Park on it too from what I remember. It started just in time to catch at least most of the excellent feud and matches w/ Shocker (yep, he was once great too!) against the Guerreros Del Infierno

     

    Good times, but the weekly television was utter crap. It was the polar opposite to what CMLL have now; one hour - top two butchered matches and clips from another if you're lucky (often the Guapos University stuff). That was our lot, yet there was so much undoubtedly good stuff further down the cards.

     

    Fortunately, that period coincided with a short-lived show specially made for some LA network turning up- "Sin Limite de Tiempo", which helped a bit as it was exclusively matches that didn't air on the televisa/TWC shows and we got three a week out of it.

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