Teedy Kay

Wolves have travelled back in time and bought a young Ed Milliband with longer hair back to the future to play up front.

12 minutes ago, SuperBacon said:

Now say it without crying...

I can't, my eldest is in bits, she loves Doc.

Can't believe Doc's going to Spurs, a fucking bargain of a price too. 

Should be noted his climb in ability under Nuno was down to being shifted to a wingback rather than a straight out fullback. Be interesting to see how he copes shifting back to a back four.

If he indeed goes.

There's a moment, it's a distinguished moment that we've all endured, it's a moment where our body both congratulates us and gives us a stark warning.

Your stomach's mildly cramped and made the noise of a toddler dragging it's face over a balloon. You acknowledge this, but believe you can wait another half hour.

On 28 minutes of your self enforced countdown you decide to concede to the second more ghastly grown. You drop trou and sit, as you reach a suitable position the world decides to turn in on itself and the fulcrum of such an event is your hoop. Flows of loose shit pour from you with utter disregard for absolutely everything.

And it happens, a strange sensation, your entire body goosepimples and shiver descends over you.

Those goosepimples, those hairs that cover your being all standing firm are sending a message; "Well done you averted a disaster ... But don't fucking wait so long next time!"

The whole Audiotree session is fantastic, but this just trumps Roll the Bones as the best.

All down to being successful too quickly. We abided by FFP for the Championship, and for the Prem. Sadly the FFP for European competition is stricter than our domestic competitions. If we hadn't qualified for Europe last year and happened to this year, we'd be fine.

Further shows the ridiculousness of FFP. 

I'll bet anyone £1,000,000 Wolves don't win the Europa League this (thread's) season, if they do you owe me a Polo Mint ... That's amazing odds.

Wolves are a bugger as a fan, we could win it, we could have one of those games where we don't turn up, play decent ISH but lack that cutting edge. Part of the joy of the Europa League that I've found this season, I've fucking loved it, Torino at home being my fave moment.

Another key question.

Did you ever get your money back off Fozzy?

21 hours ago, Chest Rockwell said:

@Teedy Kay is still pretty active with a pointless name change which is basically the same just phonetic rather than initialised..?

Not pointless, It's an early 2000s Efedding thing, you wouldn't understand, don't think I do really.

But my name change is mainly due to the Grandson of Vivian Stanshall of Bonzo Dog DooDah Band fame.

@Kid Ka$h now are you the original Ka$h, Ka$hnekoff  of the Big Gay Roadtrip fame or one the others that popped up around that time, the only test would be, wheres the best place to sleep in Cleethorpes?

If Warnock does stay on for another season, he'll probably drag enough performances out of Boro to get them promoted. 

The only man in football that CAN polish a turd.

@Ralphy Black Country Derby next season bud, quite looking forward to it. 8 and a half years since the last one (not counting the Walsall efforts) and not one that I'd like to remember.

It'll be the first game since the Bully/Bob Taylor years that I'll be expecting us to do over you Tesco Bag wearing fuckers.

Congrats buddy, well deserved.

7 minutes ago, PunkStep said:

That wasn't your basis for him being better if you recall...

😘

You're of course right, Doc's actually a shitehawk, he's a massive Arsenal fan afterall.

2 hours ago, Mr_Danger said:

This is just like the time Teedy Kay said Matt Doherty was better than Trent.

Doc can defend.

I always found that the ending of No Country for Old Men seemingly falls off a cliff. I personally love the ending, and the exclamation mark of a conclusion is fantastic. 

I know many muckers that were put off by it.

1 hour ago, Chest Rockwell said:

I don't think we should have public statues of any real people tbh.

Fictitious figures aren't any less innocent, Peter Pan for example.

Miller's Crossing without any hesitation. It's practically perfect, and as mentioned the Danny Boy Tommy Gun scene is fucking amazing.

O Brother is such a great premise on Homer's Odyssey. And that version of Hard Time Killing Floor Blues send chills everytime I hear it.

What's amazing, although from completely polar opposite viewpoints is this.

We both ardently agree that community based work is so vitally important to ever rescuing this. And funds need to be hurled in its direction. If Black Lives Matter does that I'll take a knee next to you all.

14 minutes ago, Devon Malcolm said:

Your emphasis of 'after' here really troubles me far more than anything else you've said on this subject and I'm surprised nobody else has picked up on it since youposted. And I'm not going to elaborate on why because nothing you have said in this thread suggests to me that you will understand why it's so troubling anyway. I just hope that one day you do get it.

I understand that emphasising a word that clearly conflicts with 1500 die IN police custody can be vitally important.

Why didn't you ask.

In a year where there were 18 and a half thousand armed deployments in the UK (armed with firearms, not Taser only) of those deployments there were only four fatal shootings, three of which were terrorist related.

Taser was 'used' 11,000 times in one year, and although that sounds high, the actual discharge of Taser was 17 per cent of that, with Officers getting resolution through other means of Taser use, IE red dotting to gain neutralisation. Although Taser use is going up, discharge is going down, which is great. The pushing of Taser not being used as a compliance tool is also of astounding benefit to not only police but potential victims. I think Taser use would fall off a cliff if more Police were armed, but I don't want that to happen.

Batons are getting used less because of Taser which is great as it results in less injuries and potential deaths, irritant spray is also seeing a decrease, again as its a stronger use force than Taser. Sadly the above may be the only option for some police, but that could be changing.

The developments in Force against vulnerable people is showing amazing work, such things as Focal Aware Seizures are more in the mindset than ever where previously had potential to be mistaken for drunkenness or being high. I've already mentioned the awareness of ABD which is a fucking killer, and with synthetic drug use at an all time high the likelihood of ABD is also at a high, and developments in techniques for restraint have been excellent. There's a wonderful video out there somewhere of a lad on Alman where police 'restrain' him for approx an hour by holding legs and wrists until sedative can be used. Amazing work from all officers involved, one of which I used to train.

The recognised model for decision making, after a few alternatives is probably at it's finest. And you need to be cast iron straight to that model for your Force to justified.

IOPC and their alternatives continue to hold the Police to account, I think the organisation goes too far sometimes, and their investigations take WAY too long, but they serve the public well.

Amnesty International have played their part too, especially in Taser and are happy with a lot of the work that has been made, I've been present at Amnesty International talks to Police and the relationship is strong. Oliver Feeley-Sprague at times speaks a lot of sense 

I am concerned about Brexit and the potential disbanding of ECHR as it plays a massive part in Use of Force in this country. But I can't see us going backwards in that respect. I fucking hope not anyway, accountability through ECHR is fairly big, and getting rid of accountability is worrying.

Are there errors? Of course there are but the massive point is whenever shit happens we take on board development points and develope. Can we get better? We strive for it, with the knowledge we'll never be perfect but as far as use of force goes as a Nation, compared to so many, I think we have it spot on.

Did an online course on Spithoods recently that I wasn't overly happy with, but I'm not in a position to get spat at on a daily basis thankfully, so I'm just not use to that environment.

But yeah, fuck tha police fuck fuck fuck tha police 

25 minutes ago, Nostalgia Nonce said:

Did you not hear about the Joshua Savage case last year?

All police officers carry a secret knife, just in case they have to cut someone's seatbelt and rescue them. 

Was that his reason for having that knife? Fuck me no wonder he got booted.

1 hour ago, Chest Rockwell said:

I keep revisiting your post @Teedy Kay . I hope that you aren't actually a bad person, but the only conclusion I can come to then is that you're totally ignorant to the huge role you play in propping up a systemically racist status quo. Your language is really deliberately passive, and you talk about the police relationship with black communities as an unfortunate one for causal reasons totally beyond the control of the police.

You are completely conflating race and class issues as all one thing, which they are not. What you're arguing when you do this is that anyone who believes in racially motivated bias (either conscious or unconscious) is objectively wrong. It is dismissive and offensive to do so, in the same way as saying 'all lives matter' is.

You really need to read the room better in your plays for sympathy both personally and professionally.

I'm not ignorant to the hidden systemic racism in British policing, for example as I have alluded to earlier, I honestly believe more should be done to encourage recruitment of the youth in run down black communities that know their communities and the populus know them. But a barrier is in place as you now need a degree to become a copper, and we've seen that figures of young black males in these communities are being failed by the education system, meaning the Police Force and their protocols are systemically racist when it comes to recruitment. The Police will push their trying for better represtation, but when that representation isn't the right kind the doors shut. Atrocious attitude.

I do believe that relations between black communities and policing is unfortunate, it's saddening, videos of that prick racially profiling someone and thinking the excuse of 'havent see you on my patch' is adequate is shocking and should be put up and out there as a resounding example of racism. Because they don't help the relationship. It's not casual and I understand that, it's deep rooted through time. I hate Stop and Search, I understand it's reasoning from a policing view, but it's not a deterrent it's not educationally beneficial and it doesn't solve the problem and SO much more needs to be done, exactly what now the horse appears to have bolted I shake my head at and wonder.

I don't conflate race and class, but I do contrast. I'm not holding up one higher than the other either, both have serious connotations to the state our country is in. I do think comparison can be made in certain times on certain issues, and it amazes me that those who are white in Socioeconomic disparity aren't standing up in these times, instead they appear to be a driving Force in the opposite direction, mainly due to systemic racism in areas like the media. 

And on no front am I after anyone's sympathy, certainly not personally, I'm alright thanks. On the professional front, I just feel sometimes it's incredibly useful to explain things from a policing viewpoint. And I'd rather take time out of my day to explain things and hopefully garner a better understanding than be like Hannibal's "friend" on Facebook and simply pour scorn over anything.

It's why so early on in this thread I attempted to get points on Use of Force, SuperBacon obviously doesn't want to engage, but if he did and gave examples hopefully I could be that one copper that's helped. It's where it goes back to the point on relations hurt totally beyond the control of police, I don't think that. But I certainly think it works both ways.

Other points quickly.

Harry Stanley was 20 years ago, do I think Use of Force is right now? yes. If I get time I'll do a little test for you Surf

1500 deaths in custody, it's estimated and I'll round it down a fair bit, 75% of deaths were suicides. A percentage of the deaths were suicides AFTER release, another percentage was police shootings and another was deaths after collisions from vehicle pursuit. It was noted by someone 11% were resulted from restraint complications. UK policing has moved heavily on restraint in recent years to curb this figure, namely through ABD since the rise of Monkey Dust and other drugs like Alman. Really good work resulting in the continual allowance of certain muscle groups to be clear from restraint tballow as much oxidisation of blood as possible.

Taser deaths, there have been no deaths on UK shores due to Taser, although we await Dalian Atkinson's case, but I don't think Taser will be the main cause of death.

Stats on Blacks being proportionately more likely to be victims of knife crime, haven't got a computer by me sadly, I keep shit tonnes on my work lappy. I'm sure it was a Mayor of London study (MOPAC) which used David Lammy's findings it was a couple of years ago like, but post 2015 I'm sure. From memory the percentage of non domestic abuse knife crime victims that were black was in the 60s per cent wise.

Just now, SuperBacon said:

Oh, it's Black people's fault for living in urban areas and having low paid jobs they have to walk to.

You really are a piece of shit, you know that. You're a fucking disgrace and everything wrong with the police in this country.

No it's not black people's fault for living in poor areas, I never said that, unfortunately living in poor areas means you are living in and around crime. This from someone who grew up in The Scotlands part of Wolverhampton. 

It's no one's fault at all for where your standing is in society, I fucking strived to get out of that shit hole part of Wolves, now proportionately in that part of Wolves, white people will be stopped and searched far more than black people, you know why? The black population is in Heath Town and Whitmore Reans. Where they'll get stopped more than whites in that area.

This is the main issue here, the complete disregard by govt of the lower working classes of all races. The criminal underfunding of those areas, and the gentrification forcing more into squalor. And sadly the black population is represented more in those areas.

Proportionally you are more likely to be stabbed if you're black in this country, so is it wrong to police those areas where stabbings are taking place? Of course not, is it a sad biproduct that those areas are highly populated by black people? Of course. Is it systemically racist? probably not, can it be construed that way? obviously, should it be cast aside as not? no. Should discourse happen to explain? Yup.

Does that happen, no because the Police are underfunded and haven't got the resources, hence the reliance on Stop and Search, is it the answer to solve knife crime? No fucking way, we need better community engagement, we need to encourage people from those areas to join the police and help, but as a unit we are fucked folks, and the places within this country are lost to crime, and I don't see them recovering. Stop and Search can stop knife crime, it doesn't solve it, but it's all we have.

5 minutes ago, SuperBacon said:

I didn't need to you fucking cunt, the evidence is literally everywhere.

Where? Seriously, you give me examples of how Police Use of Force in this country is so outrageously off kilter to the point you believe it's fine to call someone a fucking cunt.

3 minutes ago, Merzbow said:

So again from days ago, why is there such a disproportionate number of black men stopped under the guise of Covid lockdown searches?

Must have missed this originally, my answer is simply I don't know. Is it racism? It could be.

Is it that inner city policing has been more ardent at Covid stops, and by that very nature are in and around areas of higher density black population? It could be.

Are those breaking lockdown proportionally more likely to be black men? It could be.

Are more more black men carrying out low end work that has been deemed a key worker position and due to socioeconomic reasons can't afford cars so are walking to work more hence their low paid key worker job, so are exposed to police presence more? It could be.

Again, could it be racist? Yeah, you know what it could be.

Is it wise to make informed decisions on statistics about percentage populations of London being affected? Probably not, as there's more to it.

4 minutes ago, Merzbow said:

It's more a case of why waste energy reading a contrived defense of a single police officer right now when there's so much brutality and murder happening in real time, just a quick glance at Twitter and there's a stream of new offenses (many longer than those 45 seconds) all the time so sorry that I can't give a toss about one pig maaaaybe not being in the wrong.

If you'd bothered your arse you'd have seen it wasn't a defence let alone contrived. You see a pig talking about other filth and immediately jump to conclusions.

It's fucking laziness that's really not helping anything, even though you took effort to post about it. My whole point of my post was about NOT jumping to conclusions, you've reaffirmed my point so cheers. Same way as posting a gif of a black man laughing at the idea that Police Use of Force in this country is spot on. Happy to brandish police as racist but not happy to give your reasons why.

Surely the most important thing during these times is discourse, how the fuck is anyone going to learn to change? I'm not one for sweeping this under a carpet to see the same placards written every 5 years or so.