Chinatown: Mafia Scum Thread

[Kenny McBride]

People posted while I took half the morning to write that post of mine. Will get to answering stuff come lunchtime.

[Ron Simmons]

Kenny - as for your role comments, Carbomb said in his last game he handed specific people specific roles. That's why I'm saying what're the odds he'd specifically make me scum twice. People might see it as a weak defence, but I think it's a fair point. I'm not scum and it's very early on, so it's difficult for me to prove otherwise, apart from by pointing that out, alongside the wagon speed, and if wiser comes to it I'll roleclaim.

[Kenny McBride]

Kenny - as for your role comments, Carbomb said in his last game he handed specific people specific roles. That's why I'm saying what're the odds he'd specifically make me scum twice. People might see it as a weak defence, but I think it's a fair point. I'm not scum and it's very early on, so it's difficult for me to prove otherwise, apart from by pointing that out, alongside the wagon speed, and if wiser comes to it I'll roleclaim.

 

Ron - I agree with you. Saying "I'm not scum because I was scum last time" isn't the best defence, but it's also not remotely scummy.

 

Dazz - Snake is ALWAYS the scummiest player in the game. Unfortunately, that doesn't mean he's always scum. Last game I was absolutely convinced he was Brownie's leader until I twigged that Brownie was the leader, by which time it was waaaay too late. As it turned out he was town and had been breadcrumbing the whole time. If I believed in policy lynches though, he'd be my first pick every single time. He's a loose cannon. Right now, I'm struggling for reads but I voted Chris Stone because I think he's built a really weak case on a fairly easy target.

 

Unfitfinlay - I refer you to my previous post. I didn't see yours before I posted my last one.

[seph]

Kenny - as for your role comments, Carbomb said in his last game he handed specific people specific roles. That's why I'm saying what're the odds he'd specifically make me scum twice. People might see it as a weak defence, but I think it's a fair point. I'm not scum and it's very early on, so it's difficult for me to prove otherwise, apart from by pointing that out, alongside the wagon speed, and if wiser comes to it I'll roleclaim.

 

This isn't a question towards Ron specifically, but as far as Carbomb's specific picking of roles goes the most important question isn't really 'why', but to what end does it affect the rest of the field. Is he thinking that several traditional Town players need practice with a scum group / some scummers need to play an entire game on improvising their cases, or - if the focus isn't personal - Is he experimenting with hybrid roles to see how much power he can give Town and Scum without making things unbalanced? Of course we're going to get Scum / town players repeating sides, but if it's deliberately the case it can't be for shits & giggles.

[Kenny McBride]

I think it's probably a bit silly to get into what Carbomb's motivations might be. I just think using it to paint Ron as scum seems a bit much.

[Retro Red]

The thing is, and I think Ron may be aware of this, Carbomb SPECIFICALLY made it clear in the large theme game he ran last time that he chose certain people for certain roles. He made sure and conveyed that clearly to the game before it even kicked off. There has been no such statement from the mod this time out, so the assumption should really be that it was random selection like every other game has been.

 

MOD, if you can answer this, were all roles assigned randomly this time?

 

Hopefully that might put this to bed.

[Retro Red]

Honestly my main worry is that if either of the 'mega-powers' actually is scum then they'll get away with ridiculously blatant actions right under our noses with the pretense that 'it's what we do'.

 

Ron : Why do you feel you would always be suspicious on Day one? Why not let things flow and have no suspicions at all?

People suspect me because I try and respond to every point, the idea being I give people the information needed to make an informed decision. It's not 'defensive' as people suggest, it's just common courtesy. From now on maybe I should be selective about the points I answer. But people should realise - being selective is exactly what scum do. I'm not scum, so I'm responding to each point. I ALWAYS do that, so it's a stupid reason to lynch me. The mass pile on is pretty daft too, whether the pilers are scum or not, there's plenty time till deadline.

 

Just want to point out the contradiction of these 2 statements.

 

"TDK and Snake might get away with things by saying "it's what we do"

 

"You shouldn't suspect me for these reasons, because it's what I do"

[Kenny McBride]

Honestly my main worry is that if either of the 'mega-powers' actually is scum then they'll get away with ridiculously blatant actions right under our noses with the pretense that 'it's what we do'.

 

Ron : Why do you feel you would always be suspicious on Day one? Why not let things flow and have no suspicions at all?

People suspect me because I try and respond to every point, the idea being I give people the information needed to make an informed decision. It's not 'defensive' as people suggest, it's just common courtesy. From now on maybe I should be selective about the points I answer. But people should realise - being selective is exactly what scum do. I'm not scum, so I'm responding to each point. I ALWAYS do that, so it's a stupid reason to lynch me. The mass pile on is pretty daft too, whether the pilers are scum or not, there's plenty time till deadline.

 

Just want to point out the contradiction of these 2 statements.

 

"TDK and Snake might get away with things by saying "it's what we do"

 

"You shouldn't suspect me for these reasons, because it's what I do"

 

Well, he does say "IF the MEGApowers are scum..." Assuming he is town himself, he knows it, so he knows that ANY reason to lynch him is stupid.

[Retro Red]

Honestly my main worry is that if either of the 'mega-powers' actually is scum then they'll get away with ridiculously blatant actions right under our noses with the pretense that 'it's what we do'.

 

Ron : Why do you feel you would always be suspicious on Day one? Why not let things flow and have no suspicions at all?

People suspect me because I try and respond to every point, the idea being I give people the information needed to make an informed decision. It's not 'defensive' as people suggest, it's just common courtesy. From now on maybe I should be selective about the points I answer. But people should realise - being selective is exactly what scum do. I'm not scum, so I'm responding to each point. I ALWAYS do that, so it's a stupid reason to lynch me. The mass pile on is pretty daft too, whether the pilers are scum or not, there's plenty time till deadline.

 

Just want to point out the contradiction of these 2 statements.

 

"TDK and Snake might get away with things by saying "it's what we do"

 

"You shouldn't suspect me for these reasons, because it's what I do"

 

Well, he does say "IF the MEGApowers are scum..." Assuming he is town himself, he knows it, so he knows that ANY reason to lynch him is stupid.

 

But we don't, that's the issue here.

 

He wants us to make sure that we don't give the megapowers a pass because they're acting to type, but he wants us to give him a pass because he's acting to type?

[Ron Simmons]

Honestly my main worry is that if either of the 'mega-powers' actually is scum then they'll get away with ridiculously blatant actions right under our noses with the pretense that 'it's what we do'.

 

Ron : Why do you feel you would always be suspicious on Day one? Why not let things flow and have no suspicions at all?

People suspect me because I try and respond to every point, the idea being I give people the information needed to make an informed decision. It's not 'defensive' as people suggest, it's just common courtesy. From now on maybe I should be selective about the points I answer. But people should realise - being selective is exactly what scum do. I'm not scum, so I'm responding to each point. I ALWAYS do that, so it's a stupid reason to lynch me. The mass pile on is pretty daft too, whether the pilers are scum or not, there's plenty time till deadline.

 

Just want to point out the contradiction of these 2 statements.

 

"TDK and Snake might get away with things by saying "it's what we do"

 

"You shouldn't suspect me for these reasons, because it's what I do"

Someone stated in another post 'Snake's always the scummiest player' - giving him free reign to do what he likes if he's scum. My point was that we can't let that happen. People let him get away with general insanity last game and I don't believe it's good for the town.

 

I, on the other hand, am pretty much answering points put to me. It's not 'defensive', it's polite. I do it every game as you well know, so to say I'm scum based on it is daft. I'm not playing scummy, I'm playing honestly - there's the difference. I don't see it as a contradiction, I see it as two completely different situations.

[Kenny McBride]

Yeah, fair point I guess.

 

Like I said, I can't be doing with Snake at all, but I was fighting a losing battle against him last game (when I really did think he was scum and really did want him dead, because I thought it would help IC and win me some town points) and I was wrong. That's why I'm not even trying with him this game. I figure if he's scum, he'll trip up sooner or later...or everyone else will get as sick of his schtick as I already have. Teedy bothers me less. He just seems a bit more engaged with, y'know, the actual game. With Ron, I just don't get a scummy feeling from him and, as I said, I think the case on him is weak. Bristep - if Ron gets to the point of roleclaiming and you buy his claim, who would you pursue instead?

[Ron Simmons]

Plus, Bristep, do you not think I'm being tunnelled from all corners? Other genuinely scummy actions are being overlooked based on the fact I've supposedly been 'defensive' - based on the fact I've played the same way I always do? That's weak justification given the numbers on the wagon against me at this stage. It's not like I've said anything remotely scummy, but there's been a mass-pile-on anyway. Kinda makes the whole day farcical to me. There's a reason the town nearly always lose, and it's because they follow the same pattern each game. The same people are early suspects, letting the scum either hide and let the town get on with a mid-lynch, or get behind said wagon.

[Retro Red]

Yeah, fair point I guess.

 

Like I said, I can't be doing with Snake at all, but I was fighting a losing battle against him last game (when I really did think he was scum and really did want him dead, because I thought it would help IC and win me some town points) and I was wrong. That's why I'm not even trying with him this game. I figure if he's scum, he'll trip up sooner or later...or everyone else will get as sick of his schtick as I already have. Teedy bothers me less. He just seems a bit more engaged with, y'know, the actual game. With Ron, I just don't get a scummy feeling from him and, as I said, I think the case on him is weak. Bristep - if Ron gets to the point of roleclaiming and you buy his claim, who would you pursue instead?

 

It's like I said, we're now 11 hours from deadline, so it's not about hunting anymore it's about deciding which wagon is the most likely to give us a scum flip (even if it's 10% and 15% you'd still go for the 15% over the 10%). We don't have a concrete lynch, we never do on day 1 but going by Ron's logic (i.e where his vote is) YOU are the correct choice to lynch today. Ron jumped on your (the competing) wagon as soon as his started to grow, whereas you've been(or at least given the impression of) scum hunting and built a case on someone else.

 

I know which action gives me more of a townlean right now.

[Ron Simmons]

Yeah, fair point I guess.

 

Like I said, I can't be doing with Snake at all, but I was fighting a losing battle against him last game (when I really did think he was scum and really did want him dead, because I thought it would help IC and win me some town points) and I was wrong. That's why I'm not even trying with him this game. I figure if he's scum, he'll trip up sooner or later...or everyone else will get as sick of his schtick as I already have. Teedy bothers me less. He just seems a bit more engaged with, y'know, the actual game. With Ron, I just don't get a scummy feeling from him and, as I said, I think the case on him is weak. Bristep - if Ron gets to the point of roleclaiming and you buy his claim, who would you pursue instead?

 

It's like I said, we're now 11 hours from deadline, so it's not about hunting anymore it's about deciding which wagon is the most likely to give us a scum flip (even if it's 10% and 15% you'd still go for the 15% over the 10%). We don't have a concrete lynch, we never do on day 1 but going by Ron's logic (i.e where his vote is) YOU are the correct choice to lynch today. Ron jumped on your (the competing) wagon as soon as his started to grow, whereas you've been(or at least given the impression of) scum hunting and built a case on someone else.

 

I know which action gives me more of a townlean right now.

Are you trying to persuade Kenny to hop on a wagon for me? If I do get lynched I think this'll end up a very significant post for the town later so I'm going to note it.

FOS BRISTEP123

[Retro Red]

Honestly my main worry is that if either of the 'mega-powers' actually is scum then they'll get away with ridiculously blatant actions right under our noses with the pretense that 'it's what we do'.

 

Ron : Why do you feel you would always be suspicious on Day one? Why not let things flow and have no suspicions at all?

People suspect me because I try and respond to every point, the idea being I give people the information needed to make an informed decision. It's not 'defensive' as people suggest, it's just common courtesy. From now on maybe I should be selective about the points I answer. But people should realise - being selective is exactly what scum do. I'm not scum, so I'm responding to each point. I ALWAYS do that, so it's a stupid reason to lynch me. The mass pile on is pretty daft too, whether the pilers are scum or not, there's plenty time till deadline.

 

Just want to point out the contradiction of these 2 statements.

 

"TDK and Snake might get away with things by saying "it's what we do"

 

"You shouldn't suspect me for these reasons, because it's what I do"

Someone stated in another post 'Snake's always the scummiest player' - giving him free reign to do what he likes if he's scum. My point was that we can't let that happen. People let him get away with general insanity last game and I don't believe it's good for the town.

 

Last game, I'll say it again, HE WAS TOWN, AND TOWN WON. If he was town and cost us the game, or was scum and got away with it then COOL BEANS MAN YOU'RE DEAD RIGHT! The fact is that Snake was obviously town to me from very early on. He's a reaction getter, same as Teedy and same as me. Otherwise it's everyone playing touchy feely detective asking fay questions and then dissapearing into their thoughts. You *need* people to take the game by the balls, stand in the middle of the room with big alarm bells on. You're trying to panic the town that "OMG guys Snake might be scum because he acted like scum last time and if he does it this time we might not notice!".

 

You're completely twisting and misrepping the case on you, saying that it's because you respond to everything, but that's not the case at all. I stated categorically that what set me off on you was turning round to Teedy after a FOS based on a completely valid fact, said it was a misrep (it wasn't), called it a full on accusation (it wasn't), and said that Teedy looked scummy for even suggesting it (he didn't). I always take my reads from reactions over actions, but you don't ever really seem to acknowledge that fact, it's always just derp derp derp people are stupid or scum for lynching me derp derp derp.

 

You hide behind meta and just call cases on you stupid, misrep, you round on people and accuse them, all while accusing people of the same. You tick the most boxes right now, and that's why I think you're the most likely person to flip scum right now.