fleischmark Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 Can I just mention that FWA are still drawing the same amount of fans they did 2 years go. (not irrelvant, i just cant be arsed to quote some things, due to dads shitty fucking 56k connection ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaka Demus Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 Classicsguy, you sir are a tit.Why, thank you.The old style British Wrestling that you seem to like will be airing - 'ITV World of Sport 1 and 2', two hours a week, Saturdays 3pm till 5pm.Meanwhile, FWA's product will fit in well alongside CMLL, NOAH, New Japan, MLW, TNA.... etc etc., you know in the 21st century with the other progressive promotions. When Classic guy was the last time you were at a non FWA british show? And what promotion, because the vision you have of UK wrestling is clearly different to everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCC Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 people who are for this. have ever even seen another British wrestling componey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrestle-zone Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 The thing is thinking about it as a promoter.The FWA are the only promotion in the UK that are really ready for TV. They have first class production values, which improve at every show. The talent they have on the shows piss all over every other promotion in the UK.I know I say wZw have some shit hot shows and yes we do, but we are a while off TV standards as are every other promotion in the UK.This is a benchmark for us all to reach. Production, show management and the talent booked on these shows. I am not going to be glum, sod it I am going to get my company up to the standards the FWA have set. Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClassicsGuy Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 (edited) Just because someone likes watching WWE doesn't immediately mean they'll go and watch an FWA show any more than someone who likes the FWA will go and check out All Star.But for someone to actually want to go to see a UK show, they actually have to see a UK show on tv first.FWA will be that tv show. Lets take one step at a time. Lets actually get people attending British wrestling in large numbers through the country, before we even begin to worry about variety. FWA have a large job in their hands, persuading the WWE-only viewers that they are worth supporting.As I've mentioned, I'm glad they signed the deal. They are the best equipped British promotion to be showcased right now. There is a huge question mark over the five years exclusivity thing, though. Whether that was appropriate or wise for both sides is a slightly different matter.What happens if FWA tanks and TWC wants to get rid of it?What happens if FWA becomes very popular and Channel 4 or 5 (or even Sky, when the WWE expires, not that this is even likely) begin sniffing around? Are they locked in with TWC for five years? Edited March 9, 2004 by ClassicsGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Linus Posted March 9, 2004 Paid Members Share Posted March 9, 2004 When Classic guy was the last time you were at a non FWA british show? And what promotion, because the vision you have of UK wrestling is clearly different to everyone else. He's told you - he knows about All-Star, K-Star and TWA.Okay, so one is unversally acknowledged to not represent current British Wrestling, another is a small offshoot of a kickboxing academy in Birmingham that rarely runs any shows, let alone publicise them, and the thrid ceased to exist a long time ago because the promoter made a mint and moved overseas.See? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chris Bell Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 Urgh. Why is the world populated by evangelical idiots who look to moan about anything. I could of put a bet on that linus would moan. Personally ive got nothing against you (why should I? Id be retarded if I did... this is the internet. I dont like, I dont read) but its getting old real fast... and strangely... bitter. I wonder why.Now. Lets be sensible and look at the facts from a business perspective;1) Great promotional/corporate tool to claim to be exclusive on this channel, being the only english wrestling show on the channel means sponsorship can be hiked. 2) Its great image for the mainstream. here's the big boys ladies and gentlemen. Atleast thats the inferred message. Its all good for improving the image of the FWA nationally.3) NEVER have WCW and the WWF aired shows on the same channel during the same television network season. They aired on different channels, therefore you had the Monday Night Wars of the mid to late nineties. They competed. Having it all on the same channel means you largely recycle the same audience as audiences are finicky things and have their territory channels which they watch religiously. (i.e. some watch ITV mostly... some watch BBC1 mostly... I watch Sky One/Paramount mostly) So your not neccesarily going to bring in larger audiences to british wrestling whilst if you have british wrestling on multiple television channels then you can snare the zealot viewers of that channel into being interested in wrestling so that they go snooping elsewhere. Again I point to WCW Monday Nitro/RAW Found one becoming boring they switched. Can't do that if they are on the same network... they just switch off.4) This harms absolutely nobody. Other companies never had a TV deal with TWC prior, and wont after the event. Therefore they aren't harmed because they've lost nothing.5) There are other networks to get on. Atleast thats what Xwrestling and Hammerlock continue to say.Its just good business. The FWA take a step up, so everyone else must try and follow in their own way. Its competition. FWA have just scored a try, and are looking for the conversion. but if the competition get their act together, you never know, the conversion might miss. Jonno doesn't get em right every time... rugby enthusiasts I hope you appreciate that anlogy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClassicsGuy Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 (edited) He's told you - he knows about All-Star, K-Star and TWA. Name all these great UK promotions then, you know, the ones that everyone talks about, the ones that make the headlines in Powerslam, the ones that people on UKFF talk about. The ones that are orgainised enough to be able to supply TWC with ready made weekly programming. The ones that have great ideas for the future.Go on, you tell me. What UK promotions should be on the channel, and why.I keep reading 'oh it is terrible, we need variety' but nobody names any promotions. And if anyone does care to name any promotions, can you say, hand-on-heart, that they are ready to produce a weekly tv show which will compare favourably with the types of shows on TWC, and with those that have already aired on Friendly tv? Edited March 9, 2004 by ClassicsGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TsuMirren Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 This whole production levels comment is such a grey area, it could be taken a number of ways.As a Promoter myself, I don't want pyro, a ramp, big letters up on the stage or six Americans getting the bums on seats. I promote a Scottish promotion, for Scottish fans and as an outlet for Scottish workers and "the best of the rest" around the UK to work and entertain the crowds we get. I'm not looking to run some sort of fantasy fed, where booking ability is overtaken by the fact 4 or 6 names are being brought in for absolutely no reason other than to get bums on seats.Looking at the bigger picture though, it's pretty obvious that the FWA are bigger and will remain so. In London, they have more possible fans than in the whole of Scotland. Even other major English Cities don't have the same pulling power on a prolonged basis. All I'm really looking at, or for, is a nice little 30 - 60 minute UK Scene magazine programme. TWC would take in tapes, even give their views on what production should be like and decide what to use...let's say they take 2 whole matches a week. Now, alongside that is a 5 minute segment giving who is running a show and where for that week. Something like this really shouldn't frighten the FWA and really shouldn't be a problem for TWC to show, indeed I'd think that they'd see it as a major part of their policy. Let's say that for the 2 shows TWC chose a match from, the shows both had crowds around the 200 mark. Well, that's 400 people maybe wanting to watch the show, watching TWC for more wrestling and everyone becomes a winner. The fact maybe 2,000 more Scots know SCW exists doesn't mean 2,000 more Scots will come and watch. In the same way that everyone in Torquay knowing there's a home match on Saturday doesn't mean that everyone in Torquay will go to the match. This is a perfect opportunity to get British wrestling on the whole to progress, it would just be nice to see it being done properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClassicsGuy Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 The thing is thinking about it as a promoter.The FWA are the only promotion in the UK that are really ready for TV. They have first class production values, which improve at every show. The talent they have on the shows piss all over every other promotion in the UK.I know I say wZw have some shit hot shows and yes we do, but we are a while off TV standards as are every other promotion in the UK.This is a benchmark for us all to reach. Production, show management and the talent booked on these shows. I am not going to be glum, sod it I am going to get my company up to the standards the FWA have set. Gary Well that's straight from the horses mouth (so to speak ) - a rival promoters view.As he's stated, if you actually think things through, the situation has turned out, the only way it could realistically turn out at this moment in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleischmark Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 Well, its the ROH connection etc that gets them teh magazine exposure...that and paying for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClassicsGuy Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 (edited) Well, its the ROH connection etc that gets them teh magazine exposure...that and paying for it.Well maybe these other promotions (still not named) should just book those ROH guys - you know, if it's that easy.And anyway, what's to stop other promoters buying space in the mag?Stop blaming FWA for their business acumen. Edited March 9, 2004 by ClassicsGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrestle-zone Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 This whole production levels comment is such a grey area, it could be taken a number of ways.As a Promoter myself, I don't want pyro, a ramp, big letters up on the stage or six Americans getting the bums on seats. I promote a Scottish promotion, for Scottish fans and as an outlet for Scottish workers and "the best of the rest" around the UK to work and entertain the crowds we get. I'm not looking to run some sort of fantasy fed, where booking ability is overtaken by the fact 4 or 6 names are being brought in for absolutely no reason other than to get bums on seats.Looking at the bigger picture though, it's pretty obvious that the FWA are bigger and will remain so. In London, they have more possible fans than in the whole of Scotland. Even other major English Cities don't have the same pulling power on a prolonged basis. All I'm really looking at, or for, is a nice little 30 - 60 minute UK Scene magazine programme. TWC would take in tapes, even give their views on what production should be like and decide what to use...let's say they take 2 whole matches a week. Now, alongside that is a 5 minute segment giving who is running a show and where for that week. Something like this really shouldn't frighten the FWA and really shouldn't be a problem for TWC to show, indeed I'd think that they'd see it as a major part of their policy. Let's say that for the 2 shows TWC chose a match from, the shows both had crowds around the 200 mark. Well, that's 400 people maybe wanting to watch the show, watching TWC for more wrestling and everyone becomes a winner. The fact maybe 2,000 more Scots know SCW exists doesn't mean 2,000 more Scots will come and watch. In the same way that everyone in Torquay knowing there's a home match on Saturday doesn't mean that everyone in Torquay will go to the match. This is a perfect opportunity to get British wrestling on the whole to progress, it would just be nice to see it being done properly. Its very rare i agree with Kenny, But a UK magazine show would be good, showing snippets, matches of other promotions. Its a good idea, that would work and would make a difference.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleischmark Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 When did I blame them?My point: FWA is watered down american product, NOT British wrestling. Doesnt make it less enjoyable though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatso Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 Agrees with Classics guy.Some people say the FWA is a recent promotion, if the logic is true then you have to ask yourself why a recent promotion has got a TV deal before everyone else.At the end of the day, its competition and overall everyone gains something out if it, Just because a tv channel specialises in wrestling it doesnt mean that every UK fed has to feature onto it. It's like the top three in the Premiership getting into the champions league and then the other 17/18 teams all moaning, well we beat that team, we won more home games, we should be in the champions league...blahhhhh.At the end of the day, those companies need to look at the FWA and look at what they have done right so that they can benifit their own companies, in some respects the FWA will be the lab rat and if it fails then those 'other' feds who havent made it onto tv could have a breakthrough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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