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3 hours ago, jazzygeofferz said:

It's on the front of the Express and Mail today as well.. . 

Well then, I stand corrected.

Taz is just trying to cover up that he's forgotten to renew his manager's licence. 

1 hour ago, Keith Houchen said:

They mentioned it and discussed it on BBC Politics Live. 

Like I said.

57 minutes ago, BomberPat said:

The thing with Rees-Mogg is that he knows exactly what buttons to press for the Tory base. My mate's mum is very much the target audience - elderly, wealthy, white Christian Daily Mail reader who still owns the house she grew up in, whose views on authority, legality and morality can be summed up by the fact that when she was called to do jury duty, she immediately decided that the accused was guilty, because "why else would he be up in court?". She hated Tony Benn, and was completely swayed by the papers calling Ed Miliband "Red Ed", and is of a generation where any suggestion of lefty leanings is the biggest possible black mark on a politician. I daren't even think what she thought of Corbyn.

JRM plays to that crowd, with a little to the imported American right-wingisms that are starting to take over our politics - and to the people who entered or started following politics as a result of those Americanisms (much of the 2019 intake, it seems), they've also adopted the "socialism is scary and evil" rhetoric of American politics, where you just say it without any justification and your followers buy it.

He's, in many ways, the closest thing we have in mainstream British politics to the evangelical brand of American Republican, just dressed up in Victorian English trappings and fixation on the inner workings of parliamentary politics (until they don't work for him). Under all the gimmicks, he's just continuing the disaster capitalism projects of his father (though he's not half as smart with it) - under all the "MP for 1896" gimmickry and harking back to the glory of the British Empire and Imperial weights and measures, he's not actually reaching for a return to the past, his politics is a very modern approach to unfettered capitalism.

I think he's certainly trying to do that, but he's good enough to pull it off. That Sunak comment barely got a mention outside of twitter, and your mate's mum isn't going to be full twitterati. 

 The irony of your (correct) evangelical comparison is they'd absolutely hate him because he's Catholic.

We've also talked a lot about the people who started voting in 2016 and paying attention in 2019 and what they'll do. Surely the answer is that they'll do what they did before and just not vote.

34 minutes ago, PunkStep said:

HE BECAME WOKE

Who is this pre-pubescent cunt?

Someone who knows how to get on Fox News.

7 minutes ago, David said:

The thing is, even those who think Johnson did a good job with Brexit and the Covid situation surely must recognise that he's making a mockery of the office of Prime Minister now? Any good he's done in the eyes of those who consider him somewhat of a success is being diminished by his antics now.

Some do, but a lot of BoJo's base are anti institution, character doesn't count types. They're believinf that he's been stitched up (which to an extent I guess he has)

I don't think we've yet seen UKs Trump. I think when we do, he'll be much worse.

Not sure what to think about K2. On the one hand a top class veteran who can bring leadership. On the other hand we've already got an old lad propping up the defence, two seems one too many. Imagine putting them next to each other against Liverpool. Yikes. On the third hand, it might mean someone like Colwill can hang on as "experience" is well and truly covered.

1 minute ago, Keith Houchen said:

Speaking of the PM, he has blocked Labours tabled VONC in the government and Prime Minister. They’re saying if they reword it to just the government they’ll allow it because the PM has already resigned. Labour are saying that’s the point, he hasn’t. 

A VONC was a no win for Tories, and this is probably politically the least worst option, but COME ON. Have some sense of dignity.

I just came here to say that apparently Rees-Mogg called Sunak a socialist. Let that sink in.

1 hour ago, RalphyV2 said:

I will not pretend to be intelligent enough to get involved in political discussion 

I wouldn't worry about it Ralphy, that has literally never stopped anyone else.

I knew what I'd be getting when I clicked on the thread and yet here I am.

5 minutes ago, Keith Houchen said:

I do agree, but the general election will be at the forefront of the selection process. So the two candidates put forward for selection will be reflected in that. I think that Tory membership is probably not as far to the right as the current government and a lot of Tory MPs know their jobs are on the line, so they will select the final candidates accordingly. 

 

 

That's true, but you're looking at the electorate from the left and they're looking at them from the right, as it were.

Sunak is the frontrunner at the mo because, at least in part, he's been the heir apparent for years and his defenestration looked like he was pushed no10. That he's talking a lot about hard truths will win over a lot of  proper tories and shy tories. 

This is all pretty small beer, though. What's a bigger deal is the constitutional implications of, essentially, a 9 year old yelling "nuh-uh, everything proof shield" at everything that's being thrown at them. The fact that he's still in number 10 at this moment is pants on head insane, but no one seems to be doing anything about it. We've not had a Prime Minister both enter and leave office through election since pre-Thatcher, and the latest one has started claiming presidential mandates. Our system is way too built on convention and honour and needs to be sorted sharpish. 

33 minutes ago, Keith Houchen said:

Hard disagree. He’s the smarmiest cunt on the front bench. Truly unlikeable. As pointed out, it’ll be interesting how Sunak is portrayed in the media given how his former boss and mentor at Goldman Sachs is now BBC Chairman. 

Yeah: to you. You're not going to vote conservative whoever they put up. 

To their members (who probably aren't the people who went to UKIP, out of loyalty), he's the straight talking, sensible money guy. He's been high profile long enough that they won't be bothered by his skin colour, he's not like.them other ones.

Edit: David, as always, the one talking sense

1 hour ago, Loki said:

What's the end game with the Ezekial story?  Obviously it's great now, and Owens and he will have a good match, but I'm hoping it ends with Elias returning and getting a bigger push - he's a genuinely talented wrestler.  Otherwise the Zeke character seems a bit limiting.

Ezekiel is going to have the same problem that he's always had. His character work is a class above, his work on the mic is good, but then the bell rings and he's just not that good. Sticking him with Owens is probably the best chance he's got

2 hours ago, Weezenal said:

Completely separate to this. Can someone post a completely random Wikipedia page below, maybe someone released in 2005.

I'm sure if you Searched you would find the relevant Diva.

He's resigned. Will carry on til October.

Genuinely one of the worst PMs we've ever had.

Kit Malthouse has apparently joined the delegation. He's been serving under him since he was mayor so that's fairly significant.

A group of cabinet ministers are meeting with Boris telling him to resign. Amongst that group is Nadhim Zahawi, which is pretty hilarious. 

Boris's plan of "Don't worry, we've got Asians for the money stuff" has bit him on the backside.

55 minutes ago, stumobir said:

Struggling to see why wetwipe Starmer doesn’t call a VONC (ok, so I answered my own question). Either Johnson loses it and has to resign/call a GE or wins it and Starmer can use it as ammo against those who voted to keep him in place?

Because the longer the implosion lasts the better for Labour at the next GE, which looks increasingly like it'll be this year.

7 minutes ago, Loki said:

It’s worth noting that Johnson can make life VERY difficult if he wants.

 If for example Brady goes to him and says the 1922 Committee want him to resign or they’ll change the rules, he could just withdraw the whip from the lot of them.

 Hell, he could go to the Palace tomorrow and call an election and deselect all MPs who are against him.

I honestly wouldn’t put it past him - when he withdrew the whip from Theresa May and Kenneth Clark that was almost unimaginable.

I mean, he could, but withdrawing the whip also lessens his majority and will causes a domino effect of other MPs resigning from the party as it's a massive overstep.

As for the second, that just guarantees losing the election.

Besides, that's the kind of self  destruction I don't think Boris fancies. He genuinely believes the public just want him to press on with doing the job. When you have no character, you don't think people think it's important.

Who could possibly care?

Edit: Sorry, Hannibal, that's not a knock on you, it's about the fact that there is a divisive twitter debate about JR's wardrobe.

1 minute ago, Hannibal Scorch said:

I’m obviously just a wuss that doesn’t think throwing repeated elbows at the back of someone’s head is safe. I guess if you know how to do it safely then fair enough, but looks far to dangerous for me in a wrestling match. 

When the guys down? He's hitting him with his forearm in the guys neck. His elbow isn't connecting at any point.

1 hour ago, PunkStep said:

Chelsea are considering an approach for Ronaldo. Proper scattergun approach with their transfer targets going on over there, which I suppose isn't surprising considering Marina Gravniovska, Petr Cech and Bruce Buck have all been replaced by...the new owner. Todd Boehly seems to be doing all of the jobs! Maybe he will also start playing up top, training the U23s and racially abusing people on the tube, this making pretty much everyone else at the club redundant. 

This has the stench of "commercial opportunity" all over it. Although the possibility of signing both him and Neymar and watching them immediately fall out has potential.

Ornstein reporting that Tuchel has a veto which hopefully he'd use.

42 minutes ago, Hannibal Scorch said:

He’s pretty much always been great in ring. I don’t like this new UFC offence he’s getting in, but he’s just a wreck outside the ring. He was also bigging up his sex pest mate Paul Robinson who worked earlier on the show. I guess with his mums permission.  

What was wrong with the offence?

1 minute ago, Keith Houchen said:

I can understand why someone with autistic children would find discussion about it in a throwaway, almost crass fashion upsetting. I’m just glad that Hannibal wasn’t posting on here when someone used their child’s autism as an excuse for the poster acting like a right fucking arsehole and then flouncing off.

That would’ve probably really upset him and rightly so. 
 

14 minutes ago, Hannibal Scorch said:

Back to people actually being twats

 

It's a work, brother.