Michael_3165

On 4/16/2021 at 9:51 AM, air_raid said:

This is my first time encountering it, and now I hate it too.

Why do you hate it? If you think that's annoying, try white fragility 😋

Whilst he is hovering around main events, I'd put Lashley in this category. He should be a huge star w that physique, that look and his matches aren't that bad either. I think I prefer him over Batista in most respects but he never really felt like THE guy. Lesnar v Lashley should be huge but they have really under utilised him. 

Ken Shamrock was also one who could have been a good main eventer in any other era. Sadly w Rock, Austin et al on top he had no chance. 

Vader deserved a major WWE run in the 90ss but was horribly watered down. I'd have put him over Michaels at Summerslam 96, had Hart v Vader instead of the Sid v Hart main event at IYH 12 and then had him drop the title to Michaels at RR in a huge rematch. Sadly it was a fuckin mess w Sid. Or even drop to Taker at WM (in hindsight). 

1 hour ago, Supremo said:

Have you watched the show in the past three to five years? One of the biggest problems is that all they do is feature, “actual wrestling with heels, faces and a fight.” More often than not that actual wrestling with heels, faces and a fight will span multiple segments and go through numerous ad breaks. It’s boring as fuck. Honestly, my number one recommendation would be to feature less actual wrestling with heels, faces and a fight.

I’m reminded of when I was at an independent show just after Nakamura had signed to WWE. Lads in front of us were saying WWE would screw Nakamura up because they wouldn’t just let him wrestle, which is all he needed to be a big star. Funny then. Even funnier in retrospect. All the wrestling he’s been doing you’d think he’d be the next Stone Cold by now. 

Based on Wyatt et al I'm surprised you can say that. I gave up a while ago when nothing meant anything. It was all repetitive bullshit, gimmicks w nonsense stips and everyone doesn't care if they win or lose. Its bullshit. 

2 hours ago, kieranjennings said:

 

Double post

1 hour ago, kieranjennings said:

I don't know why they don't make RAW more like a magazine show these days. Proper sit down interviews with different hosts, maybe showing clips of the odd 'on this day' classic match, videos of the stars getting up to stuff away from the ring or about their background (where they grew up/how they got into the WWE etc.) and have matches/angles disbursed in between that get dissected by a panel (like most Sports coverage shows).

It would get different formats and different hosts within the show so would presumably make it feel more lively. 

I remember an interview w Cornette, Alvarez or Meltzer. Apparently WWE commit to a set number of live broadcasts over the course of a month or quarter. This is what the companies are paying for. Not replays or non match content. That's on other things as people have said. 

They simply need to cut back to two hours and feature actual wrestling w heels, faces and a fight. This isn't that difficult. WWE are trying too hard to be mainstream yet they are battling against actual mainstream programs. 

4 minutes ago, Winston said:

Call me old fashioned but it's too much quantity over quality for me.

Spreading over 2 nights to make as much money as possible when it should just be streamlined into the best 4/5 hour the company has to offer at their biggest event of the year.

 

 

I say chop the bloody thing to 3-3.5 hours max. No need to cram every fucker on the card. I haven't watched one in full since 26 because they go on and on and on. 

I guess it's a case of tastes but breaking character is one of the reasons I rarely watch WWE barring occasional moments or matches. If you like entertainment then fine, but I prefer wrestling as it was. 

I can't imagine Austin just happy to be there or grinning after a great match (unless in context of the story). Its fine people knowing it's scripted but I don't want it blatantly in my face. On screen or not, just stay in character. I don't want a movie antagonist, at the end of the movie, breaking character and laughing/smiling having gotten beat by the super hero good guy. 

Given they have theel lowest viewership they have had (or close to it) I'd suggest this 'I'm here to entertain you' narrative isn't pulling in fans of wrestling. 

Dad: "it's crap these days. Back in the day it was all real, now its all staged"

Grandad: "he didn't even hit him!" 

Wife on Fiend: "I don't get it. He get is a maniac who gets the production guy to put bugs in the ring on a projector? Why would they go along w that?" 

Wife on Okada v Suzuki @ Royal Quest: "That was brilliant! Though I'm tired now"

Wife on Eye For An Eye: "so he popped out his eye and it was a ping pong ball colored with a sharpie? Er... Right!" 

Ex boyfriend on dives to the outside: "why don't they all move out the way? It was blatant he was going to jump on them" 

Lad from school: "blokes oiled up grabbing each other. Bit gay innit?" 

Mate on barbed wire AEW match ending: "that was embarrassing wasn't it!" 

Same mate on Mick Foley: "what sort of twat hurts himself intentionally like that? He'll be in a wheelchair in a decade" 

Nan on Shawn Michaels cira 97: "He's a bit of alright isn't he!" 

My future wife when I got powerbombed at my first show: "I thought you were dead!" 

A Dad with his teenage son at the NJPW show: "fuck I wouldn't mess with him! (Suzuki)" 

Yes many times I've tried to talk to or show non fans wrestling. My wife and best friend are the only ones that have bothered showing a remote interest. Looking at some of the shit over the years I can see why they think most of it is a joke. 

1 hour ago, BrodyGraham said:

Considering New Japan have spent the last 15 months pissing all their goodwill up a wall and NOAH's top two title holders have a combined age of somewhere between 108 and 109 years old, I'd say now's the time to give them a chance!

Shiiiit I just saw Mutoh is GHC H.W champion. How is he in a main event scene given he was pretty fucked ten years ago. 

I must admit I did find his promo ('I apologise... To absolutely no one') an eyebrow raiser. He knows people dislike him for his past misdeeds and it seems NJPW seem unconcerned re: speaking out. It's a great heat getter but I'm somewhat uncomfortable. 

The only real that I heard were that The Rock had fat sucked out of his chest (did he ever have chest surgery?), that chyna was a man and that Owen didn't die but went into hiding and they made it up as a story. 

I always loved Bret Hart as someone said above. Just so cool as a  12 year old me. I also found Michaels constantly changing tights and sparkly outfits fantastic. Those shitty brown tights less so. 

Nakamura for me in recent years. Especially his get up on his debut match v Zayn. When he is 'on' he is  brilliant. 

42 minutes ago, JNLister said:

Henry Godwin's Law.

What's the story w that? 

3 hours ago, CTXRussomark said:

 

Storm is definitely on the Meltzer scale when it comes to Twitter posts but that's a pretty unfair twisting of his words.  He's making the exact opposite point - that all the people moaning about some offensive content being removed should focus their energy on some history that does matter.  He wasn't saying the two things are comparable. 

That wasn't my intention. It read as he was somehow comparing. I was like 'huh!?' 

It seems that he is saying either/or. You can appreciate 'real' history that is important AND still want to maintain programming as it was when aired. Whether you think they should be kept in their original form is a different matter though. 

5 hours ago, DCW said:

Lance Storm being a tosser, as usual:

 

 

Did he just compare some offensive moments in wrestling to the killing of 6 million Jews? 

5 hours ago, DCW said:

Lance Storm being a tosser, as usual:

 

 

Did he just compare some offensive moments in wrestling to the killing of 6 million Jews? 

5 hours ago, DCW said:

Lance Storm being a tosser, as usual:

 

 

Did he just compare some offensive moments in wrestling to the killing of 6 million Jews? 

2 hours ago, Merzbow said:

A great promo from Rosa here, but the main thing for me was Tony Khan all like "this is eligible for event of the year!" and Britt wanting the Meltzer snowflakes.. as the kids say, cringe.

 

Bless him, Khan always looks in pain! It's his resting pain face. So weird. 

I don't mind thigh slaps IF the wrestler can do it. But it's so blatant alot of the time that it looks contrived and ridiculous. Michaels was a great example of someone who did it brilliantly. You can do a side slap which is much more subtle or even the chest if you can do it well. A side version isn't noticed as much as the kick is a distraction. 

This is really a non event. If you can make it look good you don't need to do hokey shit. 

I really want to know what their criteria is for HoF inductees. Then again MCMahon's chauffeur is in it IIRC.

4 hours ago, Supremo said:

I suspect Kurt and/or Khan have decided releasing that video will at least quell the hysteria and lower expectations.

Kurt’s a big name who fits the description they’ve put out, but when people are talking about stars the level of Brock Lesnar, John Cena, Stone Cold Steve Austin and AJ Lee it’s healthier to calm things down now than to let reality come crashing down tomorrow.

The only problem with all this is that Kurt Angle sees his own face every day, so he won’t notice it as much as someone who hasn’t seen him since his last WWE appearance. The man looks a fucking wreck.

Er ddid you put AJ Lee and Austin in the same sentence or am I reading that wrong?! 

1 hour ago, BomberPat said:

pretty much the entire discussion leading up to this statement would suggest that this doesn't happen.

It certainly does happen. Not to people who have power but to say it doesn't is simply untrue. Itss just normally those who are more expendable. 

2 minutes ago, Chris B said:

The best thing about this is that you almost never have to consider it as an issue this way.

Oh don't get me wrong it's a huge issue in society and I work w the after effects in my daily work. It destroys lives and causes misery to whole families. At the same time I also come across prob more than the average of people who later say they didnt actually experience things quite as they initially implied. So I do have a unique view on this that maybe the average person won't see. 

18 minutes ago, Accident Prone said:

With ZSJ, it's more a feeling of massive disappointment and frustration rather than one of anger. He was prepared to be as outspoken as possible when it came to politics, animal cruelty and social issues but he hasn't touched his social media accounts ever since Speaking Out brought up a boatload of allegations against his mates and peers. Not a fucking peep from the man whose entrance music on the indie scene was 'Mother' by IDLES, which includes lyrics like;

"Sexual violence doesn't start and end with rape
It starts in our books and behind our school gates
Men are scared women will laugh in their face
Whereas women are scared it's their lives men will take".

As I said, it's very disappointing and disheartening but looking back with hindsight I can't say I'm surprised anymore. 

 

Ah that makes more sense now. 

I guess he probably doesn't want or need any attention on him. Whilst that's pretty cowardly it's also understandable given how careers can get ended w a few I'll thought out tweets. 

These NJPW matches that just go on and on. I don't mind the occasional one but I find ten minutes of prelim hold exchanges or strikes just a tad tiresome.