Paid Members swiftstrike Posted December 21, 2010 Paid Members Share Posted December 21, 2010 I should clarify I asked Snake before I got my role pm that if I was not mafia, could I use my own quick topic, when he pm'd me my role it did already have a place for me to go and post so, it could have been I would have had a topic anyway, but I had asked for one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Chris B Posted December 21, 2010 Paid Members Share Posted December 21, 2010 A way past bedtime report. Swiftstrike IS scum.  I believe he has not played scum before, as a replacement he has jumped on a new player. I'm convinced this explains his 'new' way of posting.  unvote FG  Vote Swiftstrike  Your wrong the last game says hi!  http://ukff.com/index.php?s=&showtopic...t&p=2259849  Flawless victory  -- Anyway I don't like the idea that because 2 people have voted for family guy then everyone has to vote family guy (as seems to be the common opinion) in fact I find that smells just like what my team was able to do in the last game and just lynch whoever was a popular choice rather than having to make a case on a good suspect.  Unless I got my counting wrong, it was at L-4 when I put my vote on. Mike was at L-5. I didn't put it on just because two players had. So you waited until it was a good wagon before putting your vote on? Well that is a much better then, that doesn't seemed to be scum jumping a wagon at all.  Unvote  Vote Chris B  No, I waited until we were closing in to the end of the day, and jumped on a wagon to avoid no-lynching. I'm going to be spending around 12 hours travelling later today, so I don't want to be effectively voting against a lynch.  I'd see a no-lynch as benefiting scum, and there aren't enough people agreeing to lynch at the moment. I'd see it as scummier to keep the votes split and force a no-lynch.  As someone who isn't putting his vote anywhere useful, are you convinced enough by Mike, Ron and Family Guy (as the three loudest contenders at the moment, although I'd add in Dan as well, before the discussed Corey and Brownie) that you'd prefer a no-lynch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Snake Plissken Posted December 21, 2010 Author Paid Members Share Posted December 21, 2010 **Oh The Weather Outside is Frightning** Votecount  3. (Kane) Swiftstrike (L-7) Wolfvinson 4. (Dolph Ziggler) Brownie (L-7) Dan Williams 5. (Randy Orton) Family Guy PMSL (L-4) Ron Simmons, Mike Castle, Chris B, Bristep123 6. (CM Punk) Dan Williams 7. (Cody Rhodes) Ron Simmons (L-6) Lawz, Burchills Buddy 9. (HHH) Chris Stone 11. (Santino Mariella) bristep123 13. (Kofi Kingston) Carbomb 14. (Sheamus) Mike Castle (L-6) Corey Vandal, Family Guy PMSL 16. (Edge) Burchill's Buddy 17. (Rey Mysterio) Wolfvinson 18. (MVP) Lawz 19. (Jack Swagger) Chris B (L-7) Swiftstrike 20. (Christian) CoreyVandal (L-1) MOD PROD PENALTY  Not Voting - Brownie, Bristep123, Carbomb, Wolfvinson, Chris Stone, Burchills Buddy  With 14 in the ring it takes 8 to throw someone over the top rope. Ad Break will occur on Wednesday 22nd December 2010 at 16:00.  Chris Stone has been prodded, Corey has recieved his final warning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Mike Castle Posted December 21, 2010 Paid Members Share Posted December 21, 2010 Considering the fact Corey is one of my main suspects... I really, really want to hit that hammer home... although I know it's also not ideal in regards to getting a read on those on his lynch (as it would just be one person, also the same reason I said offing TripleA day 1 would have been a bad call). Â Buuuut... I'm pretty certain he's scum. I'm also off out, and should return between 3pm and 5pm (depending on the bus I catch), so if people would be willing for me to hammer Corey, say as much, if we appear to have a decent agreement on dropping the hammer on the slot, I'll do so (and I mean I will do it, rather than someone else, so that if, for any reason, he doesn't flip scum as I am positive he will, I'll take the flak for it and nobody else). Â If we had an almost dead set lynch elsewhere, I'd continue to push for that, but at this stage it's also seeming increasingly likely we wont get a lynch on someone by a decent majority. Â That, and I've been saying Corey is scum since the previous day phase, and I'm yet to see anything to suggest otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members swiftstrike Posted December 21, 2010 Paid Members Share Posted December 21, 2010 A way past bedtime report. Swiftstrike IS scum.  I believe he has not played scum before, as a replacement he has jumped on a new player. I'm convinced this explains his 'new' way of posting.  unvote FG  Vote Swiftstrike  Your wrong the last game says hi!  http://ukff.com/index.php?s=&showtopic...t&p=2259849  Flawless victory  -- Anyway I don't like the idea that because 2 people have voted for family guy then everyone has to vote family guy (as seems to be the common opinion) in fact I find that smells just like what my team was able to do in the last game and just lynch whoever was a popular choice rather than having to make a case on a good suspect.  Unless I got my counting wrong, it was at L-4 when I put my vote on. Mike was at L-5. I didn't put it on just because two players had. So you waited until it was a good wagon before putting your vote on? Well that is a much better then, that doesn't seemed to be scum jumping a wagon at all.  Unvote  Vote Chris B  No, I waited until we were closing in to the end of the day, and jumped on a wagon to avoid no-lynching. I'm going to be spending around 12 hours travelling later today, so I don't want to be effectively voting against a lynch.  I'd see a no-lynch as benefiting scum, and there aren't enough people agreeing to lynch at the moment. I'd see it as scummier to keep the votes split and force a no-lynch.  As someone who isn't putting his vote anywhere useful, are you convinced enough by Mike, Ron and Family Guy (as the three loudest contenders at the moment, although I'd add in Dan as well, before the discussed Corey and Brownie) that you'd prefer a no-lynch?  I'm not convinced enough by either Mike or Ron and another day will provide more information around that and I don't think FG would have tried pushing the lynch on Nexus when Dan was up for the chop, (which is also what Ron did.) so out of those three "choices" I wouldn't vote for any at the moment, but I think you have been caught with your hand in the cookie jar which is what I was trying to do in getting a lynch started on Bristep although you didn't fall for that it looks like your caught now. 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Paid Members Carbomb Posted December 21, 2010 Paid Members Share Posted December 21, 2010 Considering the fact Corey is one of my main suspects... I really, really want to hit that hammer home... although I know it's also not ideal in regards to getting a read on those on his lynch (as it would just be one person, also the same reason I said offing TripleA day 1 would have been a bad call). Buuuut... I'm pretty certain he's scum. I'm also off out, and should return between 3pm and 5pm (depending on the bus I catch), so if people would be willing for me to hammer Corey, say as much, if we appear to have a decent agreement on dropping the hammer on the slot, I'll do so (and I mean I will do it, rather than someone else, so that if, for any reason, he doesn't flip scum as I am positive he will, I'll take the flak for it and nobody else).  If we had an almost dead set lynch elsewhere, I'd continue to push for that, but at this stage it's also seeming increasingly likely we wont get a lynch on someone by a decent majority.  That, and I've been saying Corey is scum since the previous day phase, and I'm yet to see anything to suggest otherwise.  I've made no secret of the fact that I'm not happy with your focusing on both brownie or Corey, simply for Corey's failure to post, and, even worse, that your sole argument concerning brownie seems to be that he argued against lynching him in favour of a replacement.  Right now, even I'm sorely tempted to hammer that lynch home, purely to avoid a No-Lynch which I feel would be catastrophic for us, but I still say it shouldn't be done, especially as he's now on his last warning - he should be replaced now, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Burchill's Buddy Posted December 21, 2010 Paid Members Share Posted December 21, 2010 Well the mod penalty on Corey has given us an excellent fallback at a crucial point, we don't have to worry so much about people trying to split votes to go for a no-lynch as it'll only take one of us to hammer Corey. Here's what I propose, anyone who is currently voting on someone because they feel they are the most likely to get lynched, unvote and vote for the person you most think is scum. Then this time tomorrow we have a look at those and if it's clear we aren't going to get a majority vote then we can always lynch Corey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Snake Plissken Posted December 21, 2010 Author Paid Members Share Posted December 21, 2010 Just to advise, you are now entering the final 24 hours of this phase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members swiftstrike Posted December 21, 2010 Paid Members Share Posted December 21, 2010 Well the mod penalty on Corey has given us an excellent fallback at a crucial point, we don't have to worry so much about people trying to split votes to go for a no-lynch as it'll only take one of us to hammer Corey. Here's what I propose, anyone who is currently voting on someone because they feel they are the most likely to get lynched, unvote and vote for the person you most think is scum. Then this time tomorrow we have a look at those and if it's clear we aren't going to get a majority vote then we can always lynch Corey. Â Lynching Corey is effectively a "no lynch" as he will die anyway if he is to be modkilled, so if we were to vote no lynch he would die anyway, so that is no better a fall back position than to no lynch. Â I am now voting for the person I most believe is scum, Chris B is playing in a way very similar to the way I played last game with hoping around having suspicions on the most popular lynch candidates and pushing there, I am still suspicious of Bristep as I am surprised I was not able to get one stray scum vote on that push I did which makes me wonder if I did hit scum with my little ruse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Burchill's Buddy Posted December 21, 2010 Paid Members Share Posted December 21, 2010 Yeh that's a fair point Swift. The way things are going Chris Stone could be modkilled before the next day phase too. The trouble we're having getting a decent lynch together is making me wonder if there are more Nexus than we thought and this delaying is all part of their plan. The thread has been really dead today. Depressingly so. Anyone have any suggestions as to how we can get this resolved in less than 24 hours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Mike Castle Posted December 21, 2010 Paid Members Share Posted December 21, 2010 Well the mod penalty on Corey has given us an excellent fallback at a crucial point, we don't have to worry so much about people trying to split votes to go for a no-lynch as it'll only take one of us to hammer Corey. Here's what I propose, anyone who is currently voting on someone because they feel they are the most likely to get lynched, unvote and vote for the person you most think is scum. Then this time tomorrow we have a look at those and if it's clear we aren't going to get a majority vote then we can always lynch Corey. Unless your vote would be on Corey of course. In which case I'd just make it clear (new line, and FOS) that you would vote Corey. Â If we get to within an hour of deadline and there's no clear lynch. I'll make it clear right here and now, that I will hammer Corey to prevent a No Lynch, even if the majority didn't want that, as worst comes to the worst, we get some information based on what people were saying in regards to him previously. However I am still sold on him as scum. Â Well the mod penalty on Corey has given us an excellent fallback at a crucial point, we don't have to worry so much about people trying to split votes to go for a no-lynch as it'll only take one of us to hammer Corey. Here's what I propose, anyone who is currently voting on someone because they feel they are the most likely to get lynched, unvote and vote for the person you most think is scum. Then this time tomorrow we have a look at those and if it's clear we aren't going to get a majority vote then we can always lynch Corey. Â Lynching Corey is effectively a "no lynch" as he will die anyway if he is to be modkilled, so if we were to vote no lynch he would die anyway, so that is no better a fall back position than to no lynch. Â I am now voting for the person I most believe is scum, Chris B is playing in a way very similar to the way I played last game with hoping around having suspicions on the most popular lynch candidates and pushing there, I am still suspicious of Bristep as I am surprised I was not able to get one stray scum vote on that push I did which makes me wonder if I did hit scum with my little ruse. Depends on whether Snake modkills or tries for a replacement as he has done both so far (Which is how you entered if you remember swift). So relying solely on a modkill or replacement is again, a poor move for town. if we know, 100%, that we would get a replacement, then fair play. But combine the fact that we've yet to have a replacement (despite the fact that, on paper, Corey should have been replaced by now), and that we don't know if Snake would modkill the slot at this stage (or when he would for that matter), it currently risks leaving us entering the next day phase with Corey still suspect as far as I'm concerned (meaning I WILL still want him lynched, and we'll have everyone being unwilling to vote him because he's "not active" (Shit reason there guys, seriously, lurking is a classic scum tactic)), and potentially two players who wont have any input at all on the outcome of tomorrows lynch (meaning it could be 7 to lynch, but only 11 (13 total) players, and if 4 are scum... that means 7 out of 7 town have to agree on the lynch as the other two have pissed off). Â Throw in that, if Corey does wind up being town, a modkill on him would take us to night phase if it happened tomorrow, thus it's not a "no-lynch" but in fact a "Corey-lynch" anyway. But it would deprive us of discussion tomorrow as well. Same goes for Chris Stone (who I have no reason to suspect either way). Â So yeah... if we absolutely cannot agree on a lynch, we HAVE to lynch Corey to gain info and prevent us from being in an almost unwinnable situation come the following day. (Which turns into a guarenteed unwinnable situation if we no lynch today, and then do the lynch Mike with Ron hammering thing tomorrow and Ron flips town, as the night kill would take us to a day with 10 alive and 4 scum, and 6 town one of whom isn't posting (leading to potentially a modkill on Chris Stone and basically an auto-scum win)... Â In fact, looking at the stats there. Even if it turns out Corey is town, it might work out statistically better for town to lynch him today rather than a lynch of someone who is active that might still flip town. The only way not lynching Corey is good is if the person we're lynching flips town, and if we're not all agreed that it's a solid, 100%, shot of lynching scum... we need to lynch Corey purely to have a chance at winning at this point. Which is shit, and I doubt scum would want to win on what would, essentially, be a technicality either. Â Sorry, that was longer than it was meant to be, but I wound up essentially working things out in my head as I was typing, then came to that final conclusion halfway through typing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Burchill's Buddy Posted December 21, 2010 Paid Members Share Posted December 21, 2010 OK that makes decent sense Mike. If we do get down to the last hour and we're clearly not going to get our shit together then I have no problem with you hammering the vote home. Â MOD: just to be certain, would you be looking to replace Corey and / or Chris Stone should they not appear or will it be a straight modkill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members swiftstrike Posted December 21, 2010 Paid Members Share Posted December 21, 2010 Well the mod penalty on Corey has given us an excellent fallback at a crucial point, we don't have to worry so much about people trying to split votes to go for a no-lynch as it'll only take one of us to hammer Corey. Here's what I propose, anyone who is currently voting on someone because they feel they are the most likely to get lynched, unvote and vote for the person you most think is scum. Then this time tomorrow we have a look at those and if it's clear we aren't going to get a majority vote then we can always lynch Corey. Unless your vote would be on Corey of course. In which case I'd just make it clear (new line, and FOS) that you would vote Corey. Â If we get to within an hour of deadline and there's no clear lynch. I'll make it clear right here and now, that I will hammer Corey to prevent a No Lynch, even if the majority didn't want that, as worst comes to the worst, we get some information based on what people were saying in regards to him previously. However I am still sold on him as scum. Â Well the mod penalty on Corey has given us an excellent fallback at a crucial point, we don't have to worry so much about people trying to split votes to go for a no-lynch as it'll only take one of us to hammer Corey. Here's what I propose, anyone who is currently voting on someone because they feel they are the most likely to get lynched, unvote and vote for the person you most think is scum. Then this time tomorrow we have a look at those and if it's clear we aren't going to get a majority vote then we can always lynch Corey. Â Lynching Corey is effectively a "no lynch" as he will die anyway if he is to be modkilled, so if we were to vote no lynch he would die anyway, so that is no better a fall back position than to no lynch. Â I am now voting for the person I most believe is scum, Chris B is playing in a way very similar to the way I played last game with hoping around having suspicions on the most popular lynch candidates and pushing there, I am still suspicious of Bristep as I am surprised I was not able to get one stray scum vote on that push I did which makes me wonder if I did hit scum with my little ruse. Depends on whether Snake modkills or tries for a replacement as he has done both so far (Which is how you entered if you remember swift). So relying solely on a modkill or replacement is again, a poor move for town. if we know, 100%, that we would get a replacement, then fair play. But combine the fact that we've yet to have a replacement (despite the fact that, on paper, Corey should have been replaced by now), and that we don't know if Snake would modkill the slot at this stage (or when he would for that matter), it currently risks leaving us entering the next day phase with Corey still suspect as far as I'm concerned (meaning I WILL still want him lynched, and we'll have everyone being unwilling to vote him because he's "not active" (Shit reason there guys, seriously, lurking is a classic scum tactic)), and potentially two players who wont have any input at all on the outcome of tomorrows lynch (meaning it could be 7 to lynch, but only 11 (13 total) players, and if 4 are scum... that means 7 out of 7 town have to agree on the lynch as the other two have pissed off). Â Throw in that, if Corey does wind up being town, a modkill on him would take us to night phase if it happened tomorrow, thus it's not a "no-lynch" but in fact a "Corey-lynch" anyway. But it would deprive us of discussion tomorrow as well. Same goes for Chris Stone (who I have no reason to suspect either way). Â So yeah... if we absolutely cannot agree on a lynch, we HAVE to lynch Corey to gain info and prevent us from being in an almost unwinnable situation come the following day. (Which turns into a guarenteed unwinnable situation if we no lynch today, and then do the lynch Mike with Ron hammering thing tomorrow and Ron flips town, as the night kill would take us to a day with 10 alive and 4 scum, and 6 town one of whom isn't posting (leading to potentially a modkill on Chris Stone and basically an auto-scum win)... Â In fact, looking at the stats there. Even if it turns out Corey is town, it might work out statistically better for town to lynch him today rather than a lynch of someone who is active that might still flip town. The only way not lynching Corey is good is if the person we're lynching flips town, and if we're not all agreed that it's a solid, 100%, shot of lynching scum... we need to lynch Corey purely to have a chance at winning at this point. Which is shit, and I doubt scum would want to win on what would, essentially, be a technicality either. Â Sorry, that was longer than it was meant to be, but I wound up essentially working things out in my head as I was typing, then came to that final conclusion halfway through typing. But what info do we really gain from a fall back lynch, apart from the obvious alignment of the lynched player, given that there has been little or no analysis on the lynch of Nexus I don't feel we will gain anything more from a fall back lynch as if it's a townie lynch scum will be happy to jump it as it brings them closer to there goal and stops a scum being lynch and if it's a scum lynch they may just jump upon it to say. 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Paid Members Snake Plissken Posted December 21, 2010 Author Paid Members Share Posted December 21, 2010 OK that makes decent sense Mike. If we do get down to the last hour and we're clearly not going to get our shit together then I have no problem with you hammering the vote home. MOD: just to be certain, would you be looking to replace Corey and / or Chris Stone should they not appear or will it be a straight modkill?  Due to it being Corey's second prod of the game he is facing Modkill. Hence the L-1 penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Mike Castle Posted December 21, 2010 Paid Members Share Posted December 21, 2010 So what differentiates between modkill and replacement here? Â and swift, as I said earlier, trying to prevent a town lynch doesn't necessarily mean they're town, and voting scum doesn't mean they're scum, it's when, and how, they jump on the lynch that changes things (I previously went through the Nexus lynch if you remember). Â As for Corey swift, did you read my information regarding the statistics and how, if we leave him alive, and he's modkilled (which, if he IS town, ends the day) means we are as good as handing the game to the scum? If so, what are your thoughts on that? Â I still believe Corey is scum, as I've been stating (and pushing) for ages, what's more, I believe a lynch on Corey and his scum flip will also prove brownie is scum (which in turn damned sure confirms me considering how I've been the one pushing those lynches). However, even on the slight chance he's town, getting shot of him today is actually, statistically better than leaving him alive today. To such an extent I am considering lynching him now regardless because it would be more beneficial to the town to have active town (without fear of being modkilled) tomorrow if, indeed, he flips town. Â However, I need to stress I really, really, don't think he's town, but I'm presenting the scenario of Corey-town for those who don't believe he's scum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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