andrew "the ref" coyne

Duplicate. Ignore.

Fuck sake. You can tell I've turned 40.

20 hours ago, Hannibal Scorch said:

She came in demanding matches and just being rude to an authority figure. No real history I’m aware of. Just crap writing.

Her "fued" with Liv Morgan was worse. Just kept blatantly excluding her from MITB. They built Morgan as a deserving entrant who was constantly screwed getting in whilst Deville's heel mates (who they never really showed being matey on the show) getting in without having to qualify.

Then she just gave it to her right at the end anyway. With zero follow up since :S

It's not even that difficult. Just show her being bessie mates with the heels and look down at the plucky underdogs. Hell with a little bit of long term booking you could turn this into a half decent Survivor Series match. Deville's Mates vs Deville's Enemies.

Working in an office alongside female colleagues and being in a position of authority / power as a trainer with women in a physical context, AND with prior history, is VEEERRRRYYYY different.

1 hour ago, Infinity Land said:

Hangman is going to be fine. Just look at how the recent Lucha Bros and Sammy Guevara wins were received. Due to their history, everyone wants to see him beat Kenny for the title. The problem is going to be what comes next.

They've been doing a nice job introducing some formidable heels / potential heels.

Adam Cole, Miro, Malakai Black, Cody Rhodes, Power House Hobbs, Jon Moxley.

He'll be a fine. They've done a great job preparing for the inevitable face champion.

I actually thought they go the opposite way round, Punk on top and Danielson working up.

But honestly this works well. The Omega match was cracking.

Personally I would of made plans for Danielson to win the TNT Championship so he could have a series of matches with various up and comers as well the better midcard workers. Maybe he'll go into that role after his run at the top of the card.

On 9/27/2021 at 1:31 AM, DCW said:

The chicken shit heel run he had when he cashed in MITB on big Mizark was great. I fully expected him to be the first lad to cash in and lose the briefcase too (think Barrett or Sandow hold that honour.) Though Bryan probably wouldn't get away with constantly telling AJ Lee to shut up in this day and age!

Cena was the first to cash in and fail (he won by DQ) to win the championship.

Sandow was the first to cash in and lose.

9 hours ago, Supremo said:

Coming off the back of last night’s episode of Dark Side of the Ring I would normally assume Brian Cage could do some type of Kanyon tribute match on this week’s show. I had no idea they had a connection and it was really cool seeing the clips of Cage doing all of Kanyon’s moves.

But having a quick look at where the fuck he’s been it seems Cage and his wife have been bitching online about his portrayal and all the new stars coming in. I guess that explains why the Cage vs. Starks stuff seems to have fizzled out. Maybe no Kanyon tribute match after all, then. Shame.

I remember interviewing Cage and it's clear he love Kanyon. A lovely guy.

Cage is also out with an injury currently which is why the angle hasn't moved forward.

Everyone is very "omg piss off Cody crowd hated you", but Im pretty convinced that we saw a subtle heelturn for Cody in that match and AEW have executed it perfectly. He responded to the negative chants, and the ending had Cody pushing a official. Hell AEW knew that Brandi squaring up to Black cross leg was going to get a negative reaction.

But what was really telling was Cody collided into Arn but it didn't really effect Cody's chances of winning. Watch Cody blame Arn and slap him down on TV next week.

2 minutes ago, BomberPat said:

I don't listen to his podcast, so maybe he's as bad as ever, but from his social media I've felt that Cornette seems to be dialling back the gimmick a bit. He praised AEW production around the CM Punk debut - and without any snarky asides about them - he retweeted AEW's Owen Hart announcement, and seems to spend less time criticising stuff and more time just talking about older wrestling. I don't know if he's changed his views on AEW, seen the way the tide is going and changed up his grift, or if either the fan invading the ring and shouting out Cornette or Bobby Eaton's death made him reconsider his priorities, but he definitely seems to be toning down the gimmick.

I listened to a Cornette YouTube video where he said "I'm in a quandary, how to I respond to compliment from someone whose shit" or words to that effect. What an ass.

16 hours ago, The Dart said:

Seems a bit unreasonable.

As in wrestlers who were called out. Obviously it's handled on a case by case scenario. 

But basically if someone got called out, or has a reputation for inappropriate behavior, (and there is enough weight behind it) they are not welcome to perform.

4 hours ago, Carbomb said:

There isn't one, and there probably hasn't ever been one - it'd have to be a workers-run co-operative. Mind you, there are probably a few that have decent ethics; Pro Wrestling EVE, from what I've heard, seems to be quite good.

I would encourage people to take a look at Deathmatch Downunder, a promotion I work for in Aus.

I huge focus is on inclusion, respecting Aboriginal sovereignty, creating a safe space for the LGBTQI+ community, the exclusion of those who were called out during standing up, and generally has a very positive and cooperative backstage atmosphere.

Ultimately it comes down to the mission statement behind the promotion.

1 hour ago, Carbomb said:

I'd argue it's easier: a purportedly left-wing company wouldn't be able to justify it by any means at all. The most commonly-stated justification stated by the capitalist right wing is that the only responsibility a company has is to make a profit, for both its owners and its shareholders.

You're absolutely right. I made a error on my post which I've fixed.

But yeah, I basically meant right wing thinking is profit comes first for business.

I think everyone is over thinking the comparison. Ultimately it's just an interesting (and daunting) "did you know" type fact.

I think it also goes to show why WWE are married to this deal; for a right wing publically traded company, it's harder to justify why you shouldn't have a deal with Saudi Arabia.

25 minutes ago, Liam O'Rourke said:

There was talk going around that Joe's return was only going to be for two matches, then he was going to become a trainer, so he was losing the belt soon no matter what. With that being the case, it being legit makes more sense than the alternative. 

Fair. I suppose if there was anything legitimately shady they'd have him drop the belt direct to his successor. 

3 minutes ago, Daaaaaad! said:

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Samoa Joe has relinquished the NXT title due to WWE medical advice 

Vince is in, so I guess Joe is out.

 

On 9/5/2021 at 11:27 PM, CL Punk said:

Weirdly that gif was the first thing that popped into my head when I read that.

53 minutes ago, CavemanLynn said:

A lot of people assuming, if Bray came in, it'd be as a dark force to take over the Dark Order. But what about if he arrived and the Dark Order chose to bring him into the group, just showering him with positive praise, friendship and hope, so we get comedy powerhouse Bray just enjoying himself for a bit?

Strangely I thought myself this is an angle you go on. He comes in and is welcome into the Dark Order in a pally and friendly manner.

Meanwhile you have guys who know him, like Bryan Danielson going "hey guys .. just be careful yeah? He's a bit of a dick. Don't want you be taken for a ride ok?"

Then you have Bray doing the "I'm not telling you anything you don't already know" type role and breeds dissension amongst the Dark Order (and the wider roster) because he really is manipulative dick who is in it for shits and giggles.

I'd love this "self indulgent" aspect of Cody to facilitate a heel a fuss with CM Punk. I know someone else mentioned it on here, and I think it has real legs.

Position CM Punk as a lockeroom leader who has a interest in supporting the new generation of wrestlers.

Then have Cody cancel a scheduled match on Dynamite for a few up and comers so he can announce his wife's brand new shoe store (or any other frivolous reason) and then let Punk rip on him for elevating himself.

There is your fued.

2 hours ago, Supremo said:

But then we got Charlotte vs. Nia Jax, which was the most noteworthy thing to happen on Raw in forever. Nia drops Charlotte on her head, the whole match falls apart, and we’re left with two women screaming and shooting on each other! Brilliant! Genuine edge of your seat stuff! I was half expecting Vince to storm down and fire them both on the spot. I can’t remember the last time anyone on the planet has ever said this about Raw, but seriously. People should check this match out! Absolutely wild scenes! For at least a few minutes it looked like they were never going to get back on the same page and they’d just have to go to an advert break with them screaming, glaring and legitimately swinging at each other.

It’s quite fitting that at a time when they’re refusing to hire independent wrestlers and insisting the best approach is to train people from scratch, Nia Jax is out there still nearly killing people and these two homegrown talents are causing their flagship TV show to descend into chaos.

Holy shit that is so bad! How did this make it onto the YouTube channel?

It's proper dick swinging and them trying to take advantage of the other. "I'm Ric Flair's daughter.... (slap)" "Fuck you The Rock's my cousin.... (slap)."

I hope someone pulled them both to one side. That was tragic.

(Watch from about 30 seconds).

3 hours ago, Liam O'Rourke said:

Yeah, he lobbied really hard to bring his UFC and NWA belts on TV one week and was sorta buried from that point on.

But why not though? I mean they had Jarrett walking around with the US NWA Championship at roughly the same time.

8 hours ago, CL Punk said:

It's not like The WWE was short of other championship belts at the time, what with the Divas title, the IC title, United States Title, the Tag Belts and the World Heavyweight Title. 

Hell, Punk was barely gone a week before they had a tournament and crowned Rey champion for about thirty minutes.

They could have had a match for Mysterio's title at Summerslam, if not for Super Cena.

All totally fair. Im just trying to put myself in their boots. They definitely could of done better with the whole concept and execution.

8 hours ago, WyattSheepMask said:

Well that just makes Sonya look like an idiot then. If Sonya, who runs Smackdown, doesn’t know that she’s got someone moving to her show, then who OK’ed the move?

Or maybe it just shows that we put more thought into these things than they do

Well Sonja's original gimmick was that she was an assistant to Adam Pearce who keeps stepping her bounds. So in that context makes sense.

But honestly... yeah it's rubbish, as they haven't really pushed that dynamic properly in ages.

5 hours ago, bbabba said:

Reigns v Cena 2017: The first ever meeting between the two biggest stars in the industry at the time, the faces of their respective generations in WWE, was presented to us at No Mercy 2017.  Unlike Goldberg and Hogan, this feud was at least given a few weeks or so build, but it just felt mad to throw away such an obvious Wrestlemania main event match for a B level PPV in what wasn't even the main event of the show (it went on 3rd from last).  I don't have any numbers at hand to suggest how many extra Network subscriptions or additional ticket sales this match drew, but I can't imagine it would come close to the same match being presented with a several month long build as a Wrestlemania headliner.  I'm glad we got to see the re-match four years later on a more fitting stage, but it left me thinking what could have been for that first time around.

I do believe Cena was going away for a while, with no 100% guarantee he was coming back. Only reason why I think they hot shotted that match.

Also Cena vs. Nakamura was another obvious one, with Cena coming in to do a quick job to Nakamura on one of his earlier Smackdowns.

4 hours ago, CL Punk said:

The Summer of Punk 2011- CM Punk should have defended the belt in different promotions and stayed away from the WWE for like two or three months.

Big Match John beating Mysterio for the replacement championship didn't make him look good (especially on the same night that Rey won it).

Also, Triple H had to interfere in the big storyline and bring in his mate, Big Kev.

Although i agree that creatively they could of hads loads of fun having Punk tour with it, you can imagine with Summerslam around the corner WWE were nervous to not feature the championship.