Whistling Skull

3 minutes ago, Joe Blog said:

No, you just say sorry and blame personal circumstances, then you can do it as much as you want. 

Is there an account of him doing it in the past or ever doing it again?

4 minutes ago, Joe Blog said:

Sorry but you are talking absolute shite. How would you know what is out of character for Hogan? Are you mates with him? 

Hogan is a carny and a racist. You have only ever seen what he allows you to see when the camera is on. 

So give over with your bollocks. 

You don't have to apologize for disagreeing with me. You're more judgemental than I am, on this issue. Which is fine by me. I stand by the statement that people can be more complex than you make them out to be.

7 minutes ago, Chris B said:

Someone doesn't need to be Donald Trump in order to be racist. The bar should be a lot lower than active hate crimes.

Also worth remembering that 'apologising to his colleagues' involved Hogan giving a speech about the dangers of being recorded, rather than apologising for the whole 'Hey, black guys, you're not good enough to date my daughter' bit.

Ofcrourse Trump isn't the bar for racism. He's a deeply disturbed individual on many levels. That was the point of the comparisom.

I have also heard that he has personally apologized to people after his ill-received blanket speech and that said apologies were accepted by the people in question.

4 minutes ago, Your Fight Site said:

It is, though. If someone’s first thoughts are racist, then they have some deep-set prejudice there.

What do you mean by 'first thoughts'?The first thoughts of a desperatly unhappy man will be less than sane, more often than not.

Humans are complicated creatures. Hulk said a stupid racist thing, that was very out of character for him, in my view. He has recognized this and apologized profusely. As long as it doesn't happen again, i can understand how this all came to be and forgive him.

21 minutes ago, Divorced Dad said:

@Whistling Skull how, in your opinion, are Ron Atkinsons comments any different from Hogan's?

You've described one as a foul racist and the other as a man at a low point. 

It's because i know Hulk Hogan to carry himself as a person that judges people on their strenght of character.

The fact that the remarks in question were made when he was routinely hanging out with Bubba, who is a fucking cretin, helps put it into perspective for me. 

Ron Atkinson i don't know, other than the remarks pointed out to me. Was he generally known to be a good, respectful man?

7 minutes ago, Your Fight Site said:

Give over. If when you’re “under pressure” or think you’re in private company and you come out with racist language, then you’re racist. If that’s what your brain conjures up, then you have some deep-set prejudices. You can also be insecure and not a racist.

It's not always that simple, in my experience. 

4 minutes ago, tiger_rick said:

You're defending the indefensible. He didn't just lash out, he wasn't under threat and he wasn't under pressure. It was a tirade in what he thought was a private situation. He even addressed his racism just to show he was fully aware of what he'd said.

Also, it wasn't remotely "dumb racist things". The language wasn't the problem at all. He could have said what he said without the N-bomb and his opinion that a black man isn't good enough for his daughter is still deeply racist. 

That's the crux of it. Sure he's worked with performers of all races and even been friendly and helpful to them. I'm sure none of them think he is racist. But his true colours came out when it came to his daughter.

He should never have worked for them again. He wouldn't in any decent industry. Sure, he can earn a living but it shouldn't be for a major company. How many times you seen and heard Ron Atkinson on credible stations the last 15 years? Fuck, even Talksport haven't touched him and they employed Keys and Gray.

I understand where you're coming from, but life experiences make that i disagree. 

I was not familiar with Ron Atkinson, because i'm not British. I looked him up, though. Jesus. Yeah, that is a foul racist man, being foul and racist. Remunded me of Einstein in that recording of his trip to China. No respect for anyone or anything.

22 hours ago, DavidB6937 said:

There's a lot that can be argued in that post.

1) If he said racist things, why isn't he a racist?

2) Just because someone's hurt or not hurt by something, does that justify being racist?

3) Does being low justify being racist?

4) Would you need to forgive him if he wasn't racist?

I know these things are up for debate and people see them in different lights etc, but it's very easy to excuse the behaviour for this reason or that reason. I'm not saying he can't learn and be better, but that's all about acknowledging there's an issue in the first place rather than trying to justify it.

Ok..lemme give it a shot.

1) blurting out dumb racist things when you're feeling insecure doesn't immediatly make you a racist person. It makes you an insecure little bitch. Insecurity and frustration can cause people to compromise their own beliefs. Has to do with a lack of self respect, i think. Still a dick move, though.

2) Hurting people means you have to make it right. No matter what you did. He's a human being and hasn't done it again as far as i know). He has apologized to the people he hurt most with this: his friends, family and co-workers. Next to this, having been quoted or recorded saying something racist, doesn't mean you're a racist at heart. If there were a bunch of other accounts of him being racist, this would be different. Leading into him being at his lowest point.

 3) Racist people have a lot more stuff going wrong in their lives, other than being racist. Hulk was in a really low place that he didn't see himself getting out of. He thought his entire life was slipping away. (4)If someone acts like an ass at their lowest point and then gets better, admits it and apologizes, i can forgive it. As long as they don't turn around and do the same thing all over again. All of this is predicated on him not doing that shit again.

In comparisom, Trump will never even admit he's racist(when he's not around people who he knows are racist), he will never say sorry for being a racist and if he did, he'd be lying and he'd be back at it within 5 minutes.

9 hours ago, The King Of Swing said:

I think most people hate Hogan these days for being a racist cunt. Could be wrong of course.

Tony Khan shouldn't be throwing stones though. He'll shatter his families glass mansion one day.

Hulk Hogan is not a racist, as far as i'm concerned. He has said racist things when he was at the lowest part of his adult life. Dude was real low. If people that actually know him and were personally hurt by him can forgive him, so can i.

The revival are and will continue to be fat. Fuck em.

1 hour ago, Wrasslin said:

So the XFL is done apparently. 

This is the fucking news.

https://411mania.com/wrestling/xfl-lays-off-all-employees-suspends-all-operations/

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1 hour ago, TildeGuy~! said:

I’m not comparing my situation to what Caroline Flack went through, not at all, it would be ridiculous for me to even think that way.

What I am trying to explain is the fact these posters here that rush to jump on any post I make on here to get the upcount score higher just so they can pop a pedophile joke here or a “Source?” there, whilst in turn trying to be all Mr Nice whilst supporting other people with mental health issues.

I stopped posting news for a while and started to share my love for Joshi Puroresu, did that then warrant the abuse I got for enjoying something others don’t watch? 

Plus Aurier is the best right back Spurs have.

Does it even matter, dude? I'm sure your real life friends treat you a lot better than us marks.

4 minutes ago, Hannibal Scorch said:

Allegedly

That fucking guy, I swear...   I'd be very suprised if he can actually fulfill his end of the WWE/Saudi deal, the way he's running shit over there. He is giving ruthless hereditary dictatorship a bad name.

17 minutes ago, Hannibal Scorch said:

Exactly. Just because someone say's they aren't bullying you, doesn't remove your feelings about it. If it bothers you, thats personal to you and you shouldn't be judged.

Back on topic, despite assurances they would use a different charter for the Saudi shows after the issues last time, they are using Atlas Air again. I wonder if there will be anymore tarmac drama after last time

I don't think it would've mattered one bit, if they used a different airline. The guy that owed them money and tried to mess up their day(s) rules the entire country.  

If anything, choosing a different airline as to state that you won't put up with their bullshit, would be very counterproductive. Again, the bullshitter in question owns the entire country.

3 minutes ago, IANdrewDiceClay said:

I dont think anyone is mocking you in that thread to be fair. People just joking about the idea the Fulham owner buying a wrestling company or being cynical about the idea of it. The rumours seemed credible at the time. Meltzer's silence on the rumours spoke volumes, being a protector his JR, Jericho and the Young Bucks.

That's what i meant by everyone having different sensibilities. Maybe he feels mocked quicker than you or I would. 

Usually, I'm a big proponent of 'Nut up, be a man and stop bitching', but that wouldn't be fair either. 

All I can factually say is that it saddens me that you take that stuff so hard, Tilde. Not worth it at all. Just have fun and give me de scoopzzz

Man, i get ya, but that's so personal that it would be an endless discussion. Everyone has different sensibilities, so I think it's better to leave that door firmly shut.

Dude, don't give it a second thought. Not worth your or anybody's time.

You've posted lots of stuff that made me go 'huh...what do you know?'. That's the extent of satisfaction this page should give you. 

I assume you don't actually know these people. If they come across as hypocrites or trolling losers, the chsnce that that's what they actually are is pretty high. Leave it at that thought. Telling losers that they are losers has never helped anyone.

1 hour ago, Accident Prone said:

Jeff Cobb is a bit of all right (as opposed to Jake Hager, who's a bit of alt-right).

Cracked me the fuck up, that did.

Meanwhile, Lars is playing all the hits👍... https://411mania.com/wrestling/fans-discover-that-lars-sullivan-allegedly-starred-in-adult-films-before-wwe/

I dunno, man, but if you go to her Facebook, your eyeballs will never forgive you. https://www.facebook.com/angel.amoroso.756

24 minutes ago, Carbomb said:

Oh, no - I wasn't advocating an old-style Boer/AWB gimmick, no fucking way. (Oddly, when looking up his Wikipedia, it seems he chose the name Leo Kruger because he's descended from the hugely problematic and racist leader of the first Boer Republic of South Africa, Paul Kruger, after whom Kruger National Park and the Krugerrand is also named.)

When I saw him in NXT, I just had him down as a psycho bushman. Although, in the wake of Bob Mortimer's Athletico Mince, I realise I probably couldn't take him seriously now. I'd just imagine him going "A'M A FAHCKING RAIPIST" and trying to shove his gun up people's bums.

No judgement here. I always liked Baron von Raschke, but you just can't do that shit anymore.

13 hours ago, Carbomb said:

I'd like to see the guy behind Leo Kruger/Adam Rose coming to AEW and doing the psycho Afrikaner/Boer bushman gimmick again.

An old school Afrikaner/Boer gimmick would involve a lot of racism. Even if he wouldn't say overtly racist things, he'd be calling a giant shitstorm upon himself. The gimmick would be based on a racist man who does racist things.

Edit: he wasn't a Boer in NXT right? Wasn't he a big game or bounty hunter?

Aah ok, please excuse me.

4 hours ago, mim731 said:

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This is a random thought, not minor news.

1 hour ago, scratchdj said:

I think she’s on RAW and hasn’t been featured much lately, I doubt she cares.

You misunderstood. WWE alumni hate bad infrastructure.