Whistling Skull

12 minutes ago, danlewis said:

So, he says racist things, his family (Incestuous) are racist and he admits he’s a racist and that’s still not enough for you?

You know what this sounds like? Those blokes who think what Ched Evans did is okay because it’s the same way they act.

I’m quite happy, especially in the current climate, to write you off as a harmful fucking cunt.

Sorry for cursing and fucking cussing.

The Lord forgives.

Just now, Lion_of_the_Midlands said:

Is that why people always try to put you down

Only when I demand that DJ-Lethal brings it home.

1 minute ago, tiger_rick said:

Us youngsters do see the world through red and yellow coloured specs.

Lol, no, i don't assume that you're a teenager or anything. I was just giving you insight into how i got the my state of mind about it. I've always assumed people around here are about my age, or at least of my generation.

24 minutes ago, tiger_rick said:

No, it really is. There are different degrees of racist. But they're all racists none the less. Hogan isn't in the KKK. No-one is arguing otherwise. But nor is he someone that any self-respecting company would have on their PG television show.

There are a lot of people and companies that disagree with the last part of your statement. Your point comes from a good, positive place, but again: the world and the people in it are more complex than that.

As a teenager, i would've agreed with you wholeheartedly. It's just that over the course of my life i've made more of an effort to open up a dialogue, as to find common ground and a place to start understanding each other better. I can honestly say that it helped me and the people around me tremendously. 

4 minutes ago, BomberPat said:

"saying racist things" is what a racist does.

Yeah, but i've come to learn that people that are not actually racist do this too. It's not as cut and dry as any of us would like it to be.

1 minute ago, BomberPat said:

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20200427/p2a/00m/0na/014000c Sorry pal.

 

as for Hogan, I'm genuinely baffled how someone can hear him at his most unguarded we have ever seen him being openly racist, calling himself a racist, and believe anything other than that he is a racist. 

Oh shit. Well that is awful. There are no big swings or brightly coloured tights that can make this right.

On Hogan: i think he was being a stupid crazy racist things saying fucker, more than an actual racist person. I know a lot of you believe that there is no difference. I believe otherwise, though.

13 minutes ago, Joe Blog said:

And yet you continue to double post. Horse has bolted boys, leave the door open. 

You're right! I did! Which means you've totally won this argument!

17 minutes ago, LaGoosh said:

The incest vibes throughout the family is genuinely fucking disturbing. 

I agree 100%.

8 minutes ago, Magnum Milano said:

Someone let @Whistling Skull know that you can multi quote on here please and that there's no need for all these double and triple posts.

You just did. Excuse me!

21 minutes ago, DavidB6937 said:

I'm curious. Hope you don't mind me asking.

What experience have you gone through that would convince you that someone isn't racist even when they say they are?

I've had a pretty wide range of experiences in dealing with racist remarks or people that present themselves as being racist. Be it in the workplace, at school in sports or in random social interactions.

In some situations, just saying that what they're doing is unacceptable does the trick. They knew they were wrong in the first place and were trying to be cool for their buddies, which backfired. Go sort your life out and don't bother me with your nonsense.

I've also been in situations where someone announces him or herself as a racist and has all kinds of pseudo politcal arguments to go with it. When i sat down and talked to these people, it always turns out that there's a pain inside them that makes them lash out at the world. Recognizing and aknowledging that pain goes a long way im having them drop the facade and admitting that they just want to be treated the way they feel they should, but are to afraid to start by setting the example.

There have also been instances where a schoolmate seems dug in on being racist, and them actually getting to know a person of colour or actually experiencing ethnic diversity makes a giant difference. I find this and all the things in between to be worth thinking about while handeling this subject. If you don't feel it's worth your though, time and effort, i can understand that. I choose to live differently.

2 minutes ago, LaGoosh said:

More that I think it's a bit confusing and weird that someone's childhood wrestling hero would be a Japanese wrestler with a mullet and tiny moustache rather than someone like Bret Hart, The Rock, Sting or Rey Mysterio like a normal child.

That is fucking silly, dude. There are countries that aired Japanese wrestling looooong before WWE and WCW.

7 minutes ago, DavidB6937 said:

I'm curious. Hope you don't mind me asking.

What experience have you gone through that would convince you that someone isn't racist even when they say they are?

I sincerely respect your question and will answer in a few or later this afternoon.

7 minutes ago, LaGoosh said:

Yeah?

I was never a big fan of Hogan's wrestling while growing up. This has nothing to do with idolizing someone.

Unless you're trying to tell me Hase is not a stand-up guy. That would suck.

3 minutes ago, RedRooster said:

No it doesn’t. It says a lot about the kind of things he says when his guard is down.

You clearly don’t want to be disappointed by your childhood hero and I get that, but suggesting he was being racist because he’s mentally unwell is ludicrous logic that doesn’t hold up to even the slightest bit of scrutiny.

None of us are jumping for joy to say that Hogan is a racist, but it’s almost offensive to use mental health as a reason to explain or even justify his comments.

Hulk Hogan is not my childhood wrestling Hero. That was Hiroshi Hase.

I'm speaking from my own experiences. Just saying stuff that sounds cool and morally inoffensive, does not make you correct.

1 minute ago, DavidB6937 said:

But.. he said it.. he said he's a racist.. literally. And you're trying to argue that he's not? He said it.

I don't trust his words and opnions when he's in that state of mind. Did he say it? Totally. Is it.a bad thing to do? Absolutely.

 Do i feel it represents what he stands for as a human being. No.

13 minutes ago, RedRooster said:

I’m jumping into this a little late, but I feel it’s worth pointing out that yes, there is.

I also think it’s worth pointing out that during the incident you’re referring to Hogan literally says these words: “I’m a racist to a point, y’know”

When someone has literally said on tape that they are racist I don’t think it’s worth arguing that they are not.

It is, though. I think that him saying that so overtly says a lot about his state of mind at the time.

3 minutes ago, Wrasslin said:

I suffer with depression . . . I eat carbs . . . I don't denigrate other 

Good for you.

9 minutes ago, Chris B said:

It's the reason for his behaviour that YOU want to believe. The most obvious reason he would say things like that is that he believes them. Anything else is a stretch.

Most cases of people with overtly racist beliefs that i've encountered, are people with an array of mental problems. Their life is a reflection of this.

I think Hulk's very insecure about certain things and they come to the surface when he's in a bad way.

1 minute ago, Divorced Dad said:

Jesus christ, are you actually trying to take the moral high ground while defending a racist? 

No no, you misunderstood in triplicate. While he has said racist things, i do not currently see him as a racist.

26 minutes ago, tiger_rick said:

People are complex. But racism is racism. Very little excuses it.

Racism itself isn't a crime. So it's purely about your moral compass.

Racism is repugnant. I share this basic opnion with you. 

26 minutes ago, tiger_rick said:

People are complex. But racism is racism. Very little excuses it.

Racism itself isn't a crime. So it's purely about your moral compass.

Racism is in fact a crime, in my country. You can be fined and prosecuted for it.

At the Hulk Hogan experiences shared: That sucks. He didn't strike me as that type of asshole, even though i do know that he can be quite the diva.

I have never actually been around him, so i'll take your word for it. He wasn't very nice at all.

Also, sepression is no excuse for anything, it's just the reason for his behavior that seemes most obvious to me.

And Joe Blog, while i understand your points and where you're coming from, you should take so much offense to everything. Cursing and cussing doesn't make your point stronger. I'm not purposfully disagreeing with you. We just don't agree.

2 minutes ago, tiger_rick said:

"I'm not a criminal, your honour, she's the only person I've ever murdered."

If you honestly think that this falls in the same category, all I can say is vaya con Dios, man.

1 minute ago, tiger_rick said:

No. An otherwise good person can be racist. Non-racists don't tend to make racist remarks.

Young people can grow and be educated and some behaviour can be excused. Grown men who acknowledge their own racism do not fit that category remotely.

That's where we disagree. I think people can be more complex than that.

Just now, Chris B said:

That doesn't mean they're not racist. Whereas you seem to be giving them a pass.

I don't give everyone a pass. I try to judge people by their personal merits and the way they treat others. Not that racist thing he said that one time when he was depressed and recoeded without his knowing.

If he had a record of doing this sort of thing all the time, or had done it since, my opinion of him would be very different.

1 minute ago, Chris B said:

That was aimed at @Whistling Skull, who appears to think that racism isn't something otherwise 'good' people can be.

Can otherwise good people make racist remarks when their in a bad way? Yes.