Jonny Vegas

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Kurt Angle looks terrible now.

I agree, 2K16 is £3.50 in CEX on the PS4.

2K16 I believe.

The first 3 shows have all been really good in my opinion and I think having hot crowds that react to the story being told more than seeming to just try and get themselves over seems to really help as well.

I agree that there's really been nothing to be fast forwarded yet and I find myself looking forward to next weeks episode after each week. 

I would genuinely say it's been years since anything in wrestling did that for me.

9 hours ago, Accident Prone said:

Yep, the Action Arcade Wresting engine is turgid, no matter how much they bark up the "Look! It's retro like your old games!" tree. 

The state of pro wrestling games is really poor at the moment considering we're meant to be in a pseudo 'boom' period. You've got Fire Pro which is excellent but incredibly niche, the TEW management games that require hours and hours to book a single episode of TV, MDickie pumping out the same games that were barley any fun ten years ago, a handful of permanently half-complete projects from indie developers, mobile apps based on cards and spending cash, and whatever the 2K squad can be arsed to cobble together.

I've been playing Smackdown 2 a lot lately (you can get through a week of career mode whilst taking a dump, it's wonderful) and that game, as well as the four titles that followed it (with the exception of Smackdown 3), managed to balance an easy-to-use wrestling engine, arcade-style mechanics, decent graphics and features that wrestling fans would go nuts for. At some point around the early 10's, WWE decided to fuck all that off and took the easy route due to having no real competition in the area.

May I ask what you are using to play this whilst shitting? Or do you have a toilet in your living room?

2 hours ago, Lorne Malvo said:

If anything, Seth being such a bellend has made me respect Cena and Reigns even more. For years they've been the target of Dem Wans and never risen to it, they've just taken it on the chin and been utter pros. Seth starts getting some internet hate and immediately shows himself to be an utter berk. The bloke is clueless.

He is absolutely light years behind Reigns in terms of star power as well. The gap between Rollins and Cena is galactic.

2 hours ago, tiger_rick said:

We've spent the last five years seeing guys on social media and documentaries and saying "Just let them be themselves". Along comes Rollins and it's "Fuck no, someone write all of his life for him".

"Just let them be themselves" doesn't apply well to someone a company is trying to present as a popular and cool face when he's coming off as an absolute wet wipe every time he tweets, wrestles, appears anywhere at all though.

12 hours ago, Love-Wilcox said:

We are all in agreement that Jericho isn’t quite at the top in regards to being an all time great but just how far off is he really?

Outside the top five of Hogan, Flair, Rock, Austin & Cena I’m struggle to think of more than half a dozen guys I’d rank higher than Jericho, at least as far as modern era / currently still alive blokes.

Triple H, Undertaker, Lawler, Bret, Shawn ... Jericho?

It might just be my bias after enjoying his current run so much but honestly if he keeps up his current form I see no reason why he wouldn’t be considered a top 10 GOAT.

Lawler? Not for me. I'd say Foley was far more credible there.

I'm in the extreme minority when I say that I think what they were trying to in principle was actually ok. Protect the face champion that you're desperately trying to build. Protect the hot new psychopath character that everyone is getting behind. Also have the face champion do something horrific due to the psychological effect Wyatt has had on them attacking them the last few weeks and now seeminy unbeatable after kicking out of more curb stomos than it took to put Lesnar down. In principle that only furthers the whole Fiend character and the effect he has on opponents/people that he can drive them to dark places they never imagined they were capable. For me the massive issue is that it needed someone of high popularity that people were happy to have as champion on the other side of it for it to have worked. The PPV as is most often the case was infront of what seemed all night to be a pretty "smart" crowd. Amongst those fans Rollins popularity as a face makes Reigns from a couple of years ago look like 80's Hogan. To have had any chance of it working they needed a popular whiter than white good guy drove to obsenity out of desperation not someone who is a tweener at absolute best and nobody who isn't a child or a teenage emo girl wants to see as champion. The execution from Rollins acting wise was absolutely atrocious as well. It's actually amazing just how bad he is at his job for someone who rates himself so highly. 

I think all the signs that Cabana was in the wrong and being unreasonable were there for all to see. I don't particularly like either of them so I felt in a good place to judge everything that was being reported impartially. I always had the impression that Cabana was a guy clinging onto the coat tails of Punk and his success to see what ways it could be beneficial to him.

Just waiting on Pete Dunne telling me some more about how brilliant WWE has been for the UK scene and what a benefit they are. 🙄

Honestly absolute madness.

Was the whole ITV4 just imagined/assumed or has there been a big u-turn regarding it?

That was such a major plus for me.

I actually really enjoy this show most weeks and fast forward through way less of it than RAW/Smackdown. Maybe this post should be in the unpopular wrestling opinions thread.

1 hour ago, Keith Houchen said:

Not defending the nonce in any way, but does that count when he's saying he "hopes" someone dies as opposed to facilitating said demise?

Well mate, my opinion would be that he probably thinks he's being very smart by not making direct threats which he likely knows is illegal.

What he probably wont have accounted for though and as a quick Google search would have told him, that legislation also covers messages or comments via electronic means that are grossly offensive. Probably directly to deal with individuals who think they're being very clever not being directly threatening.

I'd imagine most people would be likely to agree that;

"No, I’d like her to die before anything happens in anybody’s future.

Hopefully finding a way to take you with her?"

"So, I hope a bus runs you over.  And you die, to be clear.  😘"

"Feel free to tell your friend I hope his sister dies horribly and soon 😇😘🖐"

would all meet those criteria.

I'm by no means whatsoever suggesting or encouraging anyone does contact the Police about it. It's not something I would do personally.

However I think that sort of behaviour is shocking in all honesty and if it has upset people to the extent I feel its clearly been intended to, then he may well have to face any potential consequences of that.

I know nothing of the prior allegations against him other than internet and media hearsay. I do however believe sending people snidey offensive messages probably isn't the best look for someone previously accused of similar who appears to be trying to convince people it was all in the other person's head. 🤷‍♂️

 

The feds? 😂

Regardless of whatever has went on before and where any potential legal proceedings may or may not be, I know the Police would be interested in the numerous vile theats of violence or death wishes he keeps making to people in here.

Those are a criminal offence under Section 127 of the Communications Act 2003. Should it be of interest to anybody. 👍

1 hour ago, Polish Dad said:

What do you think the ref stands to gain from this? I know others have taken umbrage to him adding a link to his PayPal, but it's highly unlikely he's about to get anything more than a couple of hundred quid - hardly enough to make it worth burning all his bridges as a working referee over.

Attention, sympathy, money, exposure. I'm not making allegations that those are his intentions, just that those are things that my opinion he stands to gain from this. Wrestlers in the US have been tweeting about it, it's been pretty big news in the community.  It's also garnered lot's of support and sympathy from a large number of guys in the UK. We have US companies booking Super Humman after videos of him elbow dropping microwaves. Stranger things have happened than the ref getting potential sympathy bookings.

Wrestling is a shady business but most promoters would be interested in the good publicity and promotion that helping him "back into the business" would generate.

Money wise ok there's PayPal and who knows what that will or want make. If all the wrestlers tweeting their support or eagerness to beat up Bodom sent £10 each it would amount to a fair whack. 

On top of that there's potentially increased bookings throughout the UK, maybe even an attempt at a civil suit regarding alleged injury. The way his tweets about the incident read certainly indicated that being in mind to my opinion.

Again to be clear I'm not saying that's the case, just possibilities.

I did notice that he came back onto his break from twitter to air his opinion on what seemed like a relative minor tweet he felt was aimed at him. 

My opinion isn't as such that "Sha is right". Just that I don't see anything from the video of what Sha did that's consistent with how I feel the ref is trying to portray it or that would put anyone with 2 years of wrestling training in any significant danger. 

That then leads me to question other things he has said. I'm not saying it isn't the case, just that I have questions which I feel are valid.

I'm not trained so I don't know how accurately I can comment factually but having seen the video I don't know whether forcefully dumped onto the canvas is an accurate description of what happened with Sha.

6 hours ago, BomberPat said:

If you're basing your opinion based on "Aaren didn't say anything for a week", consider the people who are making that claim, and who stand to benefit.

I found out about this the night of the show, because Aaren told people. 

Is it unreasonable to ask why he tweeted the night of the show saying how it was great to be around professionals at the top of their craft under a vast learning tree if he was upset by this incident and felt the way he says? 

I suppose I can only speak for myself but if I felt I'd been physically assaulted, raised concerns that night and felt that nobody had done anything about it I wouldn't have jumped onto twitter to say how great of a time I had had.

He's also since said he trained for over 2 years at XWA in Morecambe. The Bodom stuff excluded, are we having that someome with 2 years training couldn't safely take a scoop slam bump given the video doing the rounds also? 

Just for clarification guys Im not saying that I'm right, just my view of things. Did he not say he had suffered an injury meaning he could never referee wrestling again? Would we say concussion could do that for refereeing?

Josh Bodom on the outside with the knee and some stiff looking strikes on the video I saw was shite however apart from the knee I struggle to see something I would anticipate causing any injury. Still particularly the knee is out of order.

With regards to Sha, the slam is hardly a slam, its like a slowly paced placement onto the mat.

I'm not condoning it, if the ref hasn't wanted to be touched, hasn't agreed to it on the fly and he's done it anyway then it's also not on.

The thing for me that's ruining the credibility of the ref are the countless reports of people saying he looked and seemed physically fine, he was laughing and joking with Sha, he refereer another match afterwards then made no mention of it to anybody for a week.

I just feel thats highly contradictive of his "I am seriously injured, am unable to ever referee again and can't even work my day job, here's my PayPal" stance.

It's right that Bodom is gone, the knee alone is a cowardly way to try and give a real dig to the ref whose job is to count a shoot 3 and its the wrestlers responsibility to kick out. If the ref just said that in any other scenario in the world that would be an assault and Bodom would be up in court for it so he wanted him out of the company then fine however as as I say my opinion on it is that once hes started making what seem to be outlandish claims about being injured it just kills all credibility for me.

Also, surely I cannot be the only person cringing at pretend toughmen tweeting alluding to wanting to beat up a wrestler in a worked fight.

14 hours ago, DavidB6937 said:

If you can get him, do you use him at the PPV or save him for the weekly show? I guess logically have him as a surprise at the end of the PPV and then advertise his first appearance for TV? Best of both worlds.

Even if he didn't want to get involved full time he's a useful guy to have around. Let him dip his toes back in and learn to love it again. I still live in hope.

Have him as a non advertised surprise on a PPV you've already sold to most who would buy it then advertise him for the first TV show to hopefully spike ratings for that first episode and ride the media and social media buzz of his PPV appearance. Best of both worlds.

Added to the confusion of Rousey having a shoulder up and there being a total lack of clarity as to whether this was a botch or intentional part of the storyline. Both of which made Becky look incredibly weak.

On the subject of arsey chippy owners there's a chippy called The Frying Scotsman where I used to live about 10 years ago in Glasgow and I've only ever known the owner to employ female staff. I don't know if it's because he speaks to them like shit the majority of the time and feels he may be less likely to get away with speaking to people who weren't teenage girls like that.

Anyway, any time I or anyone else would order a large bag of chips he would shout..."a large bag feeds a family of four" from the back. I don't know why but he always seems pissed off to sell large bags.

Firstly, it definitely wouldn't unless they had particularly small appetites. Secondly, on more than one occasion I've said "oh in that case i'll need two large bags please".