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Cameron is boarding a plane to come back to London for a quote-unquote COBRA meeting.

 

 

 

SKY is reporting it's going off in Croydon, Ilford & Elephant and Castle now.

Yep, London = Hell

Selfridges in Brum has taken a shellacking according to my mate on FB.

Send in the army NOW, this is gonna get worse before it gets better...

i heart kay burley

"We can hear the Norwegians talking whatever language it is they speak there" - Kay Burley

I did, but since the police did next to nothing to help I can't keep them in my garage anymore for fear of another break in which will lead to more excess to be paid and increased premiums. And I can't play them indoors as it's too noisy. So the failure of the police to do anything about this matter has affected significantly my enjoyment of the instrument, as well as costing me money.

Now I know this is a wind up, what exactly do you want the Police to do? Start patrolling your road 24 hrs a day with dogs in case your fucking drums get nicked again? Its not their job to lookafter your property.

Why don't YOU do something about it? As in get better security perhaps, if you can't afford it then that's your problem.

Even if the Police found these people who nicked your stuff and locked them up, are you that naive to beleive that someone else won't try and nick it?

The police misuse their budget terribly. I used to work occasionally in events, and the police used to regularly splurge much money on badly run 'training courses' for their staff at expensive venues. Having sat through one of these training courses for how to relate with domestic violence or some shit, I can corroborate that they 'taught' nothing more than common sense and wasted a load of money paying the officers to be there, on venue hire and on food and drink.

 

Training courses are there for the benefit of the officers and staff, it is a necessity in their job and not a waste of money and required by law that you must be adequately trained in areas where you can expect to use them.

 

- My drum kit and several other expensive items were stole from my garage. I called the police, they sent round two 'special support officers' who talked to me for ten minutes. I got a call two days later saying they had 'asked people living nearby' and nobody had seen or heard anything and they would keep me informed of developments. I have, of course, heard nothing since.

 

If that is all they did then you should take the initiative and demand to speak to their sergeant and find out what kind of investigation was conducted.

 

 

- I turned slowly into a street that had recently become 'one way'; I quickly backed out having realised my mistake. There were no other cars around. A police car was stationed at the head of the one way street. It duly motioned for me to stop. I was given a

From the outside, it all looks quite exciting.

 

For me, I think it's time the police stood up and took responsibility. They've been fucking people for far too long, without ever dealing with the problems that people actually want them to tackle. They're corrupt, watered down since the introduction of 'special support officers' and the like, tainted by their pedantry when it comes to dealing with road offences which is seen as merely a money making venture. Then there's the more serious stuff, the people they kill by mistake, their tight knit group complex where if someone like Raul Moat targets one of them he is earmarked for particularly bad treatment.

 

Take the case of the student who threw the fire extinguisher from the roof at the police. I'm not excusing his actions in any way, but how is it that within 2-3 weeks he had been sent down for three years. Normal cases like this don't get solved anywhere near as quickly, you often wait months, yet as soon as the aggrieved party is police officers it's done and dusted in double quick time. The same goes for the son of David Gilmour; yes, he vandalised a memorial, but the crime didn't really fit the heavy sentence, and in my view he only got such a heavy sentence because the police took the student riots so personally.

 

Really, it all comes down to initial causality. If the police hadn't acquired a reputation for incompetence, racism and brutality, this one shooting incident wouldn't have acted as the final straw to a community. There are also a number of other more transient factors, such as the lack of money and help given to many areas to improve them and change the mindset of the young. The lies the government told about tuition fees that incited the riots earlier this year acted as a spur to people - had the government been honest, the modern precedent for rioting and vandalism would not have been set.

 

The authorities, both governmental and law enforcement, should be looking at ways of helping areas and young people, and treating people with respect rather than suspicion. Then, perhaps, they would gain trust, the improvement of the areas would change the mindset of people who would be less inclined to react this way. As it is, hatred towards the police and the government is at a high we have not seen for years, and the consequence is rioting and vandalism, which I support until the authorities change the way they operate.

I will respond to certain bits of your post below...

They've been fucking people for far too long, without ever dealing with the problems that people actually want them to tackle

Do you actually understand how difficult it is to police areas when you

Right;

 

Mark Duggan is someone I've met on a few occasions (though I wouldn't say I knew him well), my mum is quite close to his mum and was actually round their house the day before the original Tottenham riots. The march, before it all kicked off, was basically about the fact that his family waited outside the Police station for five hours trying to get information about his shooting, while the police were talking to the media, and saying nothing to the family. The papers report that Mark was being watched because police were worried he might take revenge for the killing of his cousin (a guy named Kelvin, who I also kinda knew). Which was bullshit, btw.

 

The story I heard, and I don't know how true it is, but it's what his family told someone I know, is that Mark was in that car with some Turkish guy who bolted after shooting at the police, and Mark ended up shot over it.

 

I've also heard, again we'll see about this, that certain people intend to continue this rioting and looting for up to ten days.

 

Wood Green was fucked by the way and hardly got a mention in the news. Burnt out cars outside Lidl. HMV was destroyed, as was both JD Sports, all the mobile phone shops, Body Shop (I have no clue). Pretty much every other shop going down the high road had it's windows smashed in.

 

Also, I was up Enfield last night, it was like a warzone.

Interesting post however there are a few things..

The march, before it all kicked off, was basically about the fact that his family waited outside the Police station for five hours trying to get information about his shooting

This is confusing me, because due to the seriousness of the offence the family would

I'm taking a break from the Tottenham thread...

... so apparently this Planet of the Apes movie is actually really good and some are labelling it 'best movie of the summer' - might have to push Capt. America and Super 8 to the side to make way for this I think.

I like to tell myself that the rioting in Enfield Town is merely a re-enactment of the riot scene in Police Academy, in memory of good old Hightower.

We need some citizens on patrol, what's this guy upto?

Because of course the Police have never wrongly shot someone dead have they?

(Sighs) I never said they did, I am just stating the reasoning for the Police firing first (if it is shown they did) and if the IPCC report shows that the killing was a cock up then they deserve the criticism they'll get.

Also, just for your attention:

If the Police genuinely believe there is a threat of harm to the public and/or themselves from a suspect then they must take action if the suspect is not willing to co-operate or if they believe he's ready to use the firearm.

It doesn't matter who fired first or who didn't. Public safety and their own safety is of paramount.

But I am keen to see what the findings are from the IPCC

Some (and I mean quite a lot) have been turned away when applying for jobs and feel they've got in so much trouble nobody will give them a chance, which to a certain degree can be true.

Yes that is true but if most bothered working with the specialist teams that are there to help them find a job, get apprenticeships when they are discharged etc then it'd be a different story, the sad thing is most give up after a few days because they can't hack the sudden change to their lifestyle ie: working 8 hrs 5 days a week and the temptation to do what their mates are doing (ie: f**k all) proves too much for them.

How do you know they're kids?

How do you know they can't be bothered to get a job?

No community they're just in a gang though.

How do you know they're kids?

- I meant young teens 13-18 age group, I know due to the nature of my work.

How do you know they can't be bothered to get a job?

- Because they've told me to my face, they have rejected numerous Youth Offending Team and Council partnership programmes that are given to them in an effort to get them on the straight and narrow or they break them after a few days to go back chilling out with their mates because they 'can't be arsed' unless it's a job making games for Sony or getting an apprenticeship that pays

Good article here

Excellent read, someone send it to that idiot David Lammy.

There is a culture amongst the kids in Tottenham, and it's not restricted to a certain colour either. They get into gangs, and have a real life rap song mentality. I've seen it first hand working in betting shops at how little they value human life when they want to make a quick buck. They also know that the police are severely under manned and pretty powerless so they get away with it for far too long which then encourages their younger brothers and cousins to join in as they see there elders getting what they want. I've seen drug runners as young as 12 with their boss being 16 for christ sake.

Yep, here in Slough and spreading nationwide it's all about bandana gangs at the moment, gangs formed by the colour of their bandanas just loitering intimidating the public, nicking gold chains off old Indian women, dealing drugs getting their siblings involved to deal in schools, nicking stuff to order etc

99% these kids will never be law abiding sadly and all this talk I been watching in the tv news citing lack jobs/recession being a primary cause is bollocks - these dickheads don't want to make the effort in working and have zero sense of community.

It will be impossible to reason with them or establish some sort of dialogue because that would mean they'd be asked to stop their bloody offending first of all.

Some info on the chap killed on Thursday

Mark Duggan, 29, was in a car being followed by police during a covert operation on Thursday.

But Duggan, a known offender from London

I'm not disputing the fact that shit stuff happens there. I'm saying that there are better ways of dealing with it. I haven't got a set agenda - apart from wanting to see people working together more and less hatred.

EDIT: Double post.

I'm not disputing the fact that shit stuff happens there. I'm saying that there are better ways of dealing with it. I haven't got a set agenda - apart from wanting to see people working together more and less hatred.

These little shits have absolutely no intention of working together with the Police or their community, they are out for themselves and their mates and will run over anyone in their way.

These people are complete thugs and criminals and no amount of youth centres or community meetings will ever solve these issues. They will always be out to make life shit for everyone else.

A few years ago West Ham fans arrived in Tottenham at one in the afternoon about 7 hours before a game. They smashed up a pub and some other stuff. People laughed at how pathetic it was but at the time i worked in a William Hill right next to the Spurs ground. The next day the amount of terrified old people i had coming in was so sad.

 

I have views on this that will make me sound like a daily mail reader but i lived in the area for over 20 years. The carpet right that was destroyed was 2 minutes from my old family home, i worked in the William hill that Sky are reporting in front of so i think i have a pretty good grasp of whats going on.

 

This isn't the police's fault it's a product of an area that is so rough that many times the police are scared to be there, it's a product of it being filled with kids who have no respect for human life and for years now having been getting away with it

I agree completely with all your posts spurs 4 life, particularly the bit in bold, and when these punks are chased and confronted they start moaning about how the police is 'out to get dem'. I have no sympathy for these fuckers who are out to deliberately cause trouble and whilst doing it raid their local JD sports and smash shit up.

This shooting from Thursday is now in the hands of the IPCC, the Police are banned from discussing it and so are the IPCC until the investigation is completed.

I don't have anything against the (peaceful) protesting but it seems to me looking at some of those giving interviews they didn't understand the concept that an investigation is required and being conducted and there won't be any official answers for a month or so which in turn leads to them feeling they aren't being listened to which in turn give those looking for trouble the spark to vent out their 'frustration' which leads to shit kicking off.

The Police can't win either way.

I'm liking the costume although the hair kinda reminds me of Gary Oldmans Dracula.

Any word if John Williams iconic music is being incorporated into this reboot?

Eddie Murphy + Ben Stiller movie, directed by The Rat!

Tower Heist

Some interesting news...

Mandate Pictures announced today that Spike Lee (Inside Man) will direct Oldboy, a remake of the highly-acclaimed South Korean film. Mark Protosevich has adapted the screenplay and will co-produce. Roy Lee and Doug Davison (The Departed, The Grudge) will produce. The film is a Vertigo Entertainment/40 Acres & A Mule Production. Mandate President Nathan Kahane will executive produce.

"It's a great honor to put this special project into the hands of such a gifted writer and iconic director," said Kahane.

Oldboy tells the story of a man who is kidnapped and imprisoned on his daughter

I plan on writing a review of Transformers - probably tomorrow.

 

But I honestly thought it was a load of shit. The action sequence at the end seemed to last for a whole hour.

Well the Topless Robot review/FAQ is up and it's a great read and is easily as funny as the FAQ for TF2 Revenge of the Fallen.

FAQ/Review

You might want to put most of that in spoiler tags.

Done. Cheers