Paid Members Carbomb Posted April 5, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted April 5, 2011 Really, people? No discussion at all since Ron's? I know I've been a bit bad, but really, this is rubbish. The one weapon we have as Town and we're wasting it. Â I still say a mass claim is not a good idea when we've lynched no Scum yet, and I'd like to hear more from others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Ron Simmons Posted April 5, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted April 5, 2011 Really, people? No discussion at all since Ron's? I know I've been a bit bad, but really, this is rubbish. The one weapon we have as Town and we're wasting it. I still say a mass claim is not a good idea when we've lynched no Scum yet, and I'd like to hear more from others. To be fair I think a lot of people are probably avoiding the forum until after they've watched Wrestlemania. Touch wood things will pick up today.  Honestly, Carbomb, I don't think we've anything to lose. We might lose the game at the end of this face if we don't hit scum anyway. We might gain something from doing this, although depending on WHEN people claim they could still lie. I don't know if there's a way to introduce some kind of structured claim? Perhaps arrange a time when we all post our role? Or the "top suspects" claim first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members tom Posted April 5, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted April 5, 2011 I can see Ron's point here but as I've already stated I'm a failed-bomb vanilla townie there's no real impact on me, and Ron is confirmed neighbourizer so no impact on him either; it's the people who haven't indicated any sort of role yet that have the most to risk, and thus have a major say in the matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Ron Simmons Posted April 5, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted April 5, 2011 I can see Ron's point here but as I've already stated I'm a failed-bomb vanilla townie there's no real impact on me, and Ron is confirmed neighbourizer so no impact on him either; it's the people who haven't indicated any sort of role yet that have the most to risk, and thus have a major say in the matter Absolutely, but the risk is that there are four scum, who may or may not have already claimed. Presumably they're going to be against any sort of mass claim, and through that they could wind up influencing the decisions of other players who may vote against a claim "because it's the town thing to do." Â Initially when SMS suggested it I thought "bad idea", but when you actually think about it, what do we have to lose? Yeah the scum might get extra knowledge, but at this stage does that actually benefit them much? Unless we hit scum tonight mathematically we could lose anyway. If a role reveal potentially gives away even one person then we've bought ourselves another night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Jaffa Posted April 5, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted April 5, 2011 I'm here! Must have forgot to V/LA. I'm now getting a flight, so i'll post thoroughly when in Portugal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Chris B Posted April 5, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted April 5, 2011 We're 24 hours from deadline, if not less. I think everyone should place their vote in, even if it's currently 'no lynch'. If you don't have a top suspect, vote 'no lynch' for now (obviously, unless it turns out we're all so indecisive that we're set to stop the day early with too many no-lynches). Â I'm a little uncomfortable with the role-claim now that my top suspect has agreed with me on it, so I'm happy to pick this back up tomorrow. But we need to start thinking 'lynch'. Â ONLY don't vote if you're about to hammer someone, for now, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members unfitfinlay Posted April 5, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted April 5, 2011 I'm still against the mass claim  I think the one thing that has really screwed us up in this game has been all the Vanilla claims under no pressure. If you're Vanilla the only other thing you have besides your vote is that the scum don't know you are Vanilla and might target you rather than a power role. That is good for town. A Mass Claim is just going to make it even more obvious who are power roles are, and even if we do hit scum today, it would kill us tomorrow. I would say that the Weak Doctor should only protect someone they've protected previously tonight. If you protect scum tonight then we've lost.  Anyway, to try and get some discussion going and here are my thoughts about the players who have caught my attention this phase.  Nexus. Whether he was bussing himself or not, I still think that his claim that he "forgot" that SMS was a role cop is our biggest lead so far. Can anyone really say that they believe that?  Ron. I've been suspicious of him throughout the game but I do think my vote on him was a bit hasty. Right now the main thing I have against him is the suspicion that he was trying to throw Nexus under the bus to make himself look town but, realistically, I should've waited until Nexus actually flipped scum before going after Ron.  Tom. I'm actually more suspicious of Tom than Ron at this stage. He has really exaggerated Ron's attempt to trap him is if it wasn't just a standard part of the game. If it isn't distancing then Tom is the one who is trying to make Ron look scummy, not the other way around.  SMS. Throughout the game he seems to know more about who isn't scum than who is. Has talked a lot about just "having a feeling" about a player but hasn't really actually scum hunted from what I can see. Was so upset that Snake was lynched that he used a laughing smiley. I'm also not really convinced by his reasons for citing Rolecop and Neighbourizer as examples of scum roles. If he'd said it was so the scum wouldn't think he was the rolecop, I'd have believed it but bread crumbing? Really?  Bristep. Claimed he wanted to "interrogate" Nexus but immediately accepted Nexus' excuse without any questioning whatsoever and put his vote back on me. I do understand his reason for voting for me, though. Still, I think he is someone else to look at if Nexus flips scum.  Swiftstrike. If anyone can find a post where I claimed either that Nexus' slip was him not paying attention or it proved that SMS wasn't a rolecop then please post it because I can't see them anywhere. He made similar errors with Chris B in the first phase as well which, while it doesn't necessarily make him scum, it really isn't helping town.  I've got some college work to do now but if I have time later I'll have a read through and see if anything about Carbomb, Chris B, Spotlight or Brownie catches my attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Ron Simmons Posted April 5, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted April 5, 2011 As it stands I have reasons that I suspect people, but no clear cut top suspect (Nexus, swiftstrike, and unfitfinlay have me most wary, but I'm guessing they're not all scum unless I've one hell of an intuition) I'm not sure a no lynch would achieve anything, other than prolong our current stalemate situation, that's why I'm for a mass - but organized in some way - roleclaim. I'll suggest we all claim at 5pm tomorrow, as an example. At least it would progress things. Â That said, I'd rather prolong the current situation than lose the game so a no lynch is certainly something I'll consider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Ron Simmons Posted April 5, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted April 5, 2011 I'll re-read the thread and see what I think. I also suspect tom, and I'll need to look back at the wagon that formed at me too - the speed at which it formed leads me to believe it must have contained scum. They potentially need one town lynch to win, so can all afford to gang up and vote together at this stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Chris B Posted April 5, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted April 5, 2011 The idea is to put what your vote is right now, Ron. You can obviously change it if needs be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members tom Posted April 5, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted April 5, 2011 Tom. I'm actually more suspicious of Tom than Ron at this stage. He has really exaggerated Ron's attempt to trap him is if it wasn't just a standard part of the game. If it isn't distancing then Tom is the one who is trying to make Ron look scummy, not the other way around. I don't see I've really exaggerated it at all; it appeared to me that Ron asked solely me to answer a question about Kenny in order to try and make some sort of case against me, and he admitted that was the case. Â I do, for the most part, actually feel he is town and I admit maybe my initial reaction to his trap might have been strong but the last thing I wanted was for him to be trying to make me appear to be scum when I'm town. You seem to be clutching at straws Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Ron Simmons Posted April 5, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted April 5, 2011 In that case, Carbomb, for now - purely because of his swift opinion change on me which seems a bit off: Vote Unfitfinlay  This is purely a 'for now' thing at this stage, I must emphasise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro Red Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 Agreed with ChrisB, we're almost 24 hours from lynch so the mass claim discussion needs to stop. Whatever people's opinion of it there just isn't enough time to make it useful. We need to get a concensus on who to lynch, or if we'd rather no lynch at this stage. Â From my point of view, Finlay's explanation around his vote has been acceptable enough to cast doubt on my thoughts around his vote timing. Also since Ron has added his vote on Because of this I'm not comfortable with Finlay being the lynch today. That and my main suspect has now joined the wagon, which makes me more doubtful about it. Â Right now it seems to be Nexus and Ron competing wagons. I know which I feel more strongly about. Â unvote VOTE Ron Simmons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Ron Simmons Posted April 5, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted April 5, 2011 Agreed with ChrisB, we're almost 24 hours from lynch so the mass claim discussion needs to stop. Whatever people's opinion of it there just isn't enough time to make it useful. We need to get a concensus on who to lynch, or if we'd rather no lynch at this stage. From my point of view, Finlay's explanation around his vote has been acceptable enough to cast doubt on my thoughts around his vote timing. Also since Ron has added his vote on Because of this I'm not comfortable with Finlay being the lynch today. That and my main suspect has now joined the wagon, which makes me more doubtful about it.  Right now it seems to be Nexus and Ron competing wagons. I know which I feel more strongly about.  unvote VOTE Ron Simmons I'd suggest no-lynch, if you're going to vote for me we'll lose the game. The speed the wagon on me filled up surely tells you something suspect is up. All the scum need is one town lynch and they could win - and that's why I quickly became the attempted lynch. A no lynch followed by a mass-claim tomorrow is the best way to proceed in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members tom Posted April 5, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted April 5, 2011 I'm not going to be around much tomorrow at all, asides from some limited access mostly via a phone, but I'm sticking to my vote on Nexus at the moment as he seemed to strike when the iron was hot on the Snake lynch, he voted despite saying a confirmation would mean he'd not get lynched (if he wasn't trying to get a confirmation out of him for scum reasons then why else would he ask for confirmation?, and the whole "forgetting" SMS's role stuff too; there's also just something about him that convinces me he is scum. My vote sticks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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