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Why isn't hitman90846463936373483 on there?

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knowing what you know now

What do I 'know now' that would have made any difference to their TV show? Their TV show sucked ass, but it had big names on it. They kept assuring us it would get better production-wise, but it didn't. We ended up paying about

You know i want to ask Herbie this...

So send me a PM.

knowing what you know now

What do I 'know now' that would have made any difference to their TV show? Their TV show sucked ass, but it had big names on it. They kept assuring us it would get better production-wise, but it didn't. We ended up paying about

Didn't Misawa work in front of about 80 people in Carluke, and no-one from NOAH complained?

Yeah, but they didn't get fucked out of

GREAT MOMENTS IN SPRULES HISTORY:On Rikishi:

However, when he was being a serious performer, he was telling better stories than Stephen King.

Yup:

Not really, since the Montreal 'double-cross' was a work in the first place.

On Justin Credible:

That's not entirely accurate. Justin was never involved in the invasion angle. He disappeared from WWF TV when X Factor broke up just before Wrestlemania.

Mad shooting skillz:

As for the possibility of Me taking on Alex Shane. It's a very unlikely event, but were it to happen, I'd insist on nothing less than a no DQ, no holds barred shoot fight. But I'm too professional to walk out over it if he were booked. I'm 110% committed to helping take OPWO forwards, so if I have to put up with that Vince McMahon-wannabe for one night, then so be it. If I get the chance to kill him, better still. They're always looking for a cure for cancer, so I'm happy to fly to Stockholm for my nobel prize.

Bix, as great as all that is...you're not even scratching the surface!

True, but I had Uproar in mind when I said that as I didn't go to Showdown. Uproar had Kobashi, Foley, Sandman, Low Ki etc.. and had a noticable abundance of unoccupied chairs.

I know you were referring to Uproar, but I was just pointing out that it is possible to fill a big venue when all the factors I listed are in place. IMO, Uproar had bad timing, bad luck, no selling point as good as Showdowns (most of the names had alraedy been over at Showdown), and they didn't have TWC to run ads on non-stop for 3 months! Those were obviously factors that contributed to the empty seats.And I honestly believe, that without ALL of these factors, you cannot run a big venue (3000+ seater) profitabley in the current wrestling market, unless you're WWE.

if there is any hope for Kris

Let's not get carried away - we all know there is no hope for Kris.Mark my words now: THIS EVENT WILL NOT GO AHEAD IN THE SKYDOME. Call it intuition, or call it 'brick in the face' obvious, but mark my words, dammit! It won't happen and fail - it just won't happen.

He even hired Tom Campbell (The commentator of the Biggun in Wigan who mocked him along with the dozens of others) to be a commentator for APW!

WTF?? why would he do that?Sprules baffles me - for years he made insults about Alex Shane, then he booked him and made him OPWO champion! Now the 3rd guy who made that Sprules/Tyler match famous, and totally took the piss out of Sprules, gets booked too!

Isn't it a fact that the only way to put on shows in large venues is to toil and gain experences from smaller shows.

Not necessarily. e.g. The 2nd ever IWW show was in a 2500 seater venue, and drew 1200 w/ Jake Roberts as the main draw. Made a tidy profit too. What about Revival - wasn't that a one off? It takes good business sense & a reaslitic budget, but there's no hard & fast rules that say you have to be promoting small halls for a few years beforehand - sure; that would be of benefit, but not necessary as long as you accurately know what costs are involved in running a big venue.

trying to do something positive and entertain the British wrestling fans is a crime.

I think you're missing the point. I think it

Thats quite right Herbie, but what about Alex Shane, Len Davies, Dragon Aisu and Stevie Aaron? Are they going to step in and clean up the mess after this one aswell? Or would they be prepared to offer some impartial advice in order to prevent that happening? I completely agree with what you're saying: people shouldn't have to step in and take on extra work for free when it doesn't benefit them. But in reality, if this show is a complete failure it could kill the Coventry skydome as a wrestling venue, damage relations between the wrestlers involved and British wrestling promoters, it could damage the Coventry wrestling territory and the chain reaction just keeps on going...

I know where you're coming from, but don't kid yourself. RQW will be getting the talent (just the guys they want, keep in mind - not the other guys who were booked for 1PW) at a greatly reduced rate, to ensure the (already paid for) flights don't go to waste, and they'll also be accepting the 1PW tickets in hope of drawing a big crowd for their TV taping. It's a benefit to them, no matter what the spin.I'd also like to add than Len is one hell of a genuine guy, and I guess RQW COULD lose money because of this "stepping in" - but it's all good publicity, just like the charity show!3CW will also be now running a bigger venue that usual (again, for a significantly reduced rate) to whatever crowd decides to turn up using 1PW tickets & any who pay at the door - the crowd will be far bigger than the normal 3CW crowd, and the costs of running the venue will be much lower, considering the venue could have been sitting empty next weekend!

Instead of everybody standing back saying "this will fail" etc why doesn't somebody who has the ability and know-how step in and say "Since you're hell bent on going ahead with this, rather than watch it crash, burn and kill another venue, I'll teach you how to do things the right way"? I'm not a promoter and I don't know one, but there are lot's of people connected to this forum who are.

I've asked for advice, and taken all of the advice I was offered. I'm always open to genuine advice if people are forthcoming with it.

Hey Kriss. Some advice for running the Skydome:

You need a combination of timing, business sense, money, good marketing & media outlets at your disposal, luck (because sh*t happens; ala Matt Hardy getting pulled from Uproar by WWE), a selling point, manpower, & experience promoting wrestling. Nobody in the current UK scene has all of these.We were fortunate to have all of them at the time of International Showdown:timing - nothing had been done like this before, plus a lot of the guys we brought in had newfound recognition in the UK thanks to TWC.business sense - myself & Alex (IMO) had the aptitude between us to make it work, with a proper budget, using TWC resources (including accountants to keep the budget on track, & a media solicitor to make sure everyone signed release forms, we didn't use copyrighted music, and everyone from outside the EU had work permits).money - TWC had the finance upfront to secure the venue & talent, and also the finances to eat a loss & give refunds if everything went tits up. The fact that we were a TV channel with some sort of finances went a long way to ensuring the audiences it would definitilty be going ahead.good marketing & media outlets - we had our own channel, which we flooded with commercials for the event (so that helped in a big way!), as well as our main website which was getting 12m hits per month at the time. We also did a lot of local advertising in Coventry papers, local postering & flyering, and a large Mercia FM (local radio) campaign.luck - it all fell into place without any hiccups, thank god!a selling point (i.e. why is this show special) - see Foley in the UK outside of the WWE (and a chance to meet him at the fan slam or with your Gold/Silver ticket), see all the main stars of TWC live at one show, and it was the first time you could see the NOAH guys in the UK!manpower - essential for handling so many jobs at a show that big! We had the staff from TWC in Dublin & London, and all the FWA crew - Dean Ayass, Greg Lambert, Simon Corby, Lisa Ayass, Doug, Ralph, Sloan, John Atkins, Phil Austin, the Ring Crew, refs, timekeeper, etc, etc...experience promoting wrestling - Alex Shane.

Instead of everybody standing back saying "this will fail" etc why doesn't somebody who has the ability and know-how step in and say "Since you're hell bent on going ahead with this, rather than watch it crash, burn and kill another venue, I'll teach you how to do things the right way"? I'm not a promoter and I don't know one, but there are lot's of people connected to this forum who are.

I did just post what I consider the key elements to getting a show of this magnitude right, but why should someone have to step in? What's in it for them, unless Sprules wants to pay a fee for an advisory role? This isn't the Sammaritains. And other promoters certainly won't 'volunteer' their time to help out another clueless promoter who's bound to fail regardless!THINK, dude!

Alex Shane couldn't fill the Skydome with a far superior card

Myself & Alex did fill the Skydome though, in March 2005 (International Showdown, Legit 3,409 attendance), which was a roaring success in every manner - line-up, attendance, reviews, production, DVD sales, profit, fan slam, and overall show quality.That said, by the time the 2nd Skydome Supershow was being discussed (Universal Uproar), I saw the writing on the wall with the start up of 1PW & MEW at the time, and with WWE planning on running the Skydome 3 weeks after Uproar; so TWC decided not to be involved in the 2nd Supershow. It was just too risky with so much else going on! When we did Showdown, it was one of a kind, and there were no WWE tours, or similar shows being held (or clashing ROH & TNA dates) either, which is why Showdown was such a success - now the market has been flooded, and a show of that magnitude can't be done again (profitabley) IMO. I know how much these types of big shows cost to run - which is why I knew for 100% definite that 1PW were losing a FORTUNE with each show. They booked twice as much talent as we did for Showdown, paid them more than twice as much (plus some first-class flights), paid more for their other overheads (production, etc), priced their tickets for less, and only got half the gate we did! That doesn't add up into the black!Showdown was a good time to leave a mark, make some cash, raise the profile of TWC, and get out while the going was good! The "Supershow" market is fecked now though!

Do you think an indy supershow will ever be as successful as Showdown in the UK?

No chance, IMO. You need a combination of timing, business sense, money, good marketing & media outlets at your disposal, luck (because sh*t happens; ala Matt Hardy getting pulled from Uproar by WWE), a selling point, manpower, & experience promoting wrestling. Nobody in the current UK scene has all of these. We were fortunate to have all of them at the time:timing - nothing had been done like this before, plus a lot of the guys we brought in had newfound recognition in the UK thanks to TWC.business sense - myself & Alex (IMO) had the aptitude between us to make it work, with a proper budget, using TWC resources (including accountants to keep the budget on track, & a media solicitor to make sure everyone signed release forms, we didn't use copyrighted music, and everyone from outside the EU had work permits).money - TWC had the finance upfront to secure the venue & talent, and also the finances to eat a loss & give refunds if everything went tits up. The fact that we were a TV channel with some sort of finances went a long way to ensuring the audiences it would definitilty be going ahead.good marketing & media outlets - we had our own channel, which we flooded with commercials for the event (so that helped in a big way!), as well as our main website which was getting 12m hits per month at the time. We also did a lot of local advertising in Coventry papers, local postering & flyering, and a large Mercia FM (local radio) campaign.luck - it all fell into place without any hiccups, thank god!a selling point (i.e. why is this show special)- see Foley in the UK outside of the WWE (and a chance to meet him at the fan slam or with your Gold/Silver ticket), see all the main stars of TWC live at one show, and it was the first time you could see the NOAH guys in the UK!manpower - essential for handling so many jobs at a show that big! We had the staff from TWC in Dublin & London, and all the FWA crew - Dean Ayass, Greg Lambert, Simon Corby, Lisa Ayass, Doug, Ralph, Sloan, John Atkins, Phil Austin, the Ring Crew, refs, timekeeper, etc, etc...experience promoting wrestling - Alex Shane.1PW had money, and a selling point: i.e. the "TNA Lite" appeal with big star power (but they ran shows too often, thus killing the appeal). They also had overpaid & unnecessary manpower: Joe Dunbrowski, Kingdom James, & who the hell flys in a ref?? They had none of the other elements to make it work, IMO.Sprules/APW has none of the above.Of course, all of the above is just my opinion. But I've been there, done it, and it worked! And nobody has done it since & actually made money.

Alex Shane couldn't fill the Skydome with a far superior card

Myself & Alex did fill the Skydome though, in March 2005 (International Showdown, Legit 3,409 attendance), which was a roaring success in every manner - line-up, attendance, reviews, production, DVD sales, profit, fan slam, and overall show quality.That said, by the time the 2nd Skydome Supershow was being discussed (Universal Uproar), I saw the writing on the wall with the start up of 1PW & MEW at the time, and with WWE planning on running the Skydome 3 weeks after Uproar; so TWC decided not to be involved in the 2nd Supershow. It was just too risky with so much else going on! When we did Showdown, it was one of a kind, and there were no WWE tours, or similar shows being held (or clashing ROH & TNA dates) either, which is why Showdown was such a success - now the market has been flooded, and a show of that magnitude can't be done again (profitabley) IMO. I know how much these types of big shows cost to run - which is why I knew for 100% definite that 1PW were losing a FORTUNE with each show. They booked twice as much talent as we did for Showdown, paid them more than twice as much (plus some first-class flights), paid more for their other overheads (production, etc), priced their tickets for less, and only got half the gate we did! That doesn't add up into the black!Showdown was a good time to leave a mark, make some cash, raise the profile of TWC, and get out while the going was good! The "Supershow" market is fecked now though! The timing was just spot-on when we did it; plus TWC had someone with years of promotion experience (eh, Alex, obviously), it's own production (eh, me), & its own channel to promote it on (eh, TWC)!

Missed the bottom of page 7, huh?

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Here's the link to the Japanese story - Link

If you don't have a Japanese character pack it reads as:"???????????1PW?????????GOOD-BYE??????????????????500?????????"

bebelfish translation of that article. Anyone have a better one?

On the 6th, it became clear for great ムタ= age unknown = of professional wrestling Ra to be encountered to fraud damage. ムタon the 13th in the English group "1PW" was participation schedule with the English Don caster, but "GOOD - the mail of BYE" to the authorized personnel of 5 days it became correspondence impassability lastly. As for disappearance of the same group decide. All Japan has made damage of approximately 5000000 Yen such as guaranty and passage expense and stay cost to ムタ.Osamu Satoshi all Japanese Buto who serves the representative of ムタ(43)"it has already flown soul of great ム タto England in interview. Honest professional wrestling will be done for developing the professional wrestling boundary, although was mission of this year, "that astringent expression was floated. Unprecedented group disappearance fraud incident. In New Year early damage the thinking the regret was mentioned.The English advance of ムタwhich is proud of worldwide degree of distinction had the details which are decided on end of the ardent offer from the half year ago. It was the expectation which appears to main and opposes with the signboard player ジェームス key nun "of 1PW". But according to the authorized personnel the mail of the contents that was sent "GOOD - with the letter of BYE" the group disappeared unilaterally on the 5th. After the that correspondence impassability. It became without either the べ which it forms and does.Damage of ムタside including also passage cost and the rates at inns etc. prepayment which, it has made an advance in addition to guaranty rises to sum total approximately 5000000 Yen. In addition, at this area we sell ticket 10000 with the name of ムタas a signboard, sponsor side it seems that also the price expropriates.ムタthis year playing participating in American Los Angeles, Mexico and the foreign country the decision being completed. As for the Buto representative "as for the foreign country it is dangerous, it became the feeling that is. The route where the United States and Mexico are different simply. However you think that it is all right... "with complicated expression. "This it will do っ temporary, but it is not", that year you open and cry in early fraud damage and there is no other choice but to do to fall asleep.

It also seems strange that the aforementioned insolvency practitioners have set up a hotmail account to deal with this. I wouldn't hold my breath for ticket refunds.

It does seem VERY strange that a legit & registered insolvency practitioner set up a free hotmail account to handle stuff - plus the e-mail address doesn't make sense. You can't have spaces in e-mail addresses! (ticket refunds@hotmail.co.uk). Maybe there should be an underscore?FYI - anyone who paid with a Credit Card can call their CC company and get them to do a chargeback - just say the transaction was unauthorised.And all bullsh*t aside; I do feel sorry for Stephen, as he started 1PW with the best of intentions, and only became bitter when the business started getting to him and the pressure & losses mounted. It's a shame he lost so much, but he was warned soooo many times by fans, non-fans, friends, and people close to 1PW, including Steve Corino.Bummer.

Mackem - I really don't think you can slag off anyone about being unprofessional,

How about a Battle Royal for the title of least professional of the lot of ya.

Ah, but I don't go around claiming to be professional (on forums I post as a fan only) and I don't call other people unprofessional, like Mackem did to Dan. And I don't claim or pretend to be something I'm not, or drop names....like Mackem.

Edit: double post.

Mackem - I really don't think you can slag off anyone about being unprofessional, since you report false (& mostly pointless) info to Meltzer so he'll think you're well connected and 'in the biz'.Yay for internet journalists who use this card:

I'm surprised you haven't you heard of me; I write for wrestlenet.org, slamview.geocities.com and I do DVD reviews for spinneroony.tk, as well as my personal blog which gets over 15 hits per day.

That made me laugh so much inside.

do you have a girlfriend?? if not, get one!

lol - I'm getting married July. My 'wrestling room' only takes up a spare room in the house, so she doesn't mind too much. Plus, it kicks ass and I love it!

I also had an imaginery fed consisting of WWE, Turtles, Ghostbustes and probably others to be honest too. Ah those were the days. I broke many of them though. I had also was a young pyromaniac and enjoyed burning some of the buggers aswel as chopping their hair off with a pencil sharpener blade (y'know loser gets their head shaved and that). Most notably though Shreader lost some sort of stipulation match and had to be incased in a big bucket of ice in my freezer. That was the end of his career.

Ted Dibiase suffered the same fate in my fed, I believe Tombstone Tackle (Ghostbusters) and Arn Anderson were the culprits.Shredder and Undertaker always had some mutual respect thing going on and I believe Mr Perfect was my usual choice of champ.In fact thinking about it, I used to do a Royal Rumble, where I'd put loads of wrestlers in the ring before tipping it sideways - from one side to the other. Obviously, the last one to stay in won, but it was good cos they got tangled in the ropes etc.

You can't forget the bouncing off the ropes game. That was an invention and a half!!!!Now thats a collection, spot the rare shit?

Holy crap - that's an amazing collection. Good work!

Here's some photos from my wrestling room. It's hard to get a good perspective, as it's a box room:

 

 

 

 

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You think Undertaker is worse than Kirss Sprules???