Paid Members Bus Surfer Posted November 1, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted November 1, 2011 Don't know how well the Americans would react to having Sonnen as 'their' coach though? I watched Sonnen/Stann at a packed bar in New York & the boo's for Chael from everyone in there were (surprisingly) immense. The Americans would just have to live with it. We got stuck with Bisping as "our" coach, didn't we? At the time, who else did we have that they could have used for the UK coach? Put a different US fighter against Silva on the show, only for him to fight Sonnen afterwards? Â Judging by various reports and the freshening up of TUF, that could be what we're looking at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted November 1, 2011 Author Share Posted November 1, 2011 Judging by various reports and the freshening up of TUF, that could be what we're lookingat If the UFC are going to go to the bother of having Anderson Silva on television every week and not have him across from Chael Sonnen when they're due to meet in one of the biggest fights in UFC history then they must be fucking mental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Bus Surfer Posted November 1, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted November 1, 2011 Judging by various reports and the freshening up of TUF, that could be what we're lookingat If the UFC are going to go to the bother of having Anderson Silva on television every week and not have him across from Chael Sonnen when they're due to meet in one of the biggest fights in UFC history then they must be fucking mental. Â You seem keen on this fight despite it only being made because of the $$$ it will draw. Surely Chael hasn't earned his title shot though? Aren't there more deserving people? Make your mind up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted November 1, 2011 Author Share Posted November 1, 2011 You seem keen on this fight despite it only being made because of the $$$ it will draw. Surely Chael hasn't earned his title shot though? Aren't there more deserving people? Make your mind up. You think the Sonnen vs Silva fight is only being made because it's a big money fight? You don't consider Sonnen to be the #2 guy in the division just now, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Bus Surfer Posted November 1, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted November 1, 2011 You seem keen on this fight despite it only being made because of the $$$ it will draw. Surely Chael hasn't earned his title shot though? Aren't there more deserving people? Make your mind up. You think the Sonnen vs Silva fight is only being made because it's a big money fight? You don't consider Sonnen to be the #2 guy in the division just now, no? Â I'm happy for him to have it, but with your view on entitlement, I thought someone who lost to the champ, failed a drug test and then got busted for fraud then won a single fight back wouldn't rate too highly as a number 1 contender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1SinN6 Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 He mauled Stann whoTKO'd Leben.. I think you can make a case for Sonnen. Remembering that he was looking at a immidiate rematch. Stann was just iceing on the cake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Bus Surfer Posted November 1, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted November 1, 2011 He mauled Stann whoTKO'd Leben.. I think you can make a case for Sonnen. Remembering that he was looking at a immidiate rematch. Stann was just iceing on the cake. Â As I said, I've got no problem with him getting the shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted November 1, 2011 Author Share Posted November 1, 2011 He mauled Stann whoTKO'd Leben.. I think you can make a case for Sonnen. Remembering that he was looking at a immidiate rematch. Stann was just iceing on the cake. As I said, I've got no problem with him getting the shot. You're insinuating that I would have though, for reasons best known to yourself. Â He lost the title fight by a whisker pretty much, and has come closer than anyone else to beating Anderson. He also beat Brian Stann, who I would be arguing is the #1 contender had he beaten Sonnen. Â He's easily the #1 contender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Bus Surfer Posted November 1, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted November 1, 2011 He mauled Stann whoTKO'd Leben.. I think you can make a case for Sonnen. Remembering that he was looking at a immidiate rematch. Stann was just iceing on the cake. As I said, I've got no problem with him getting the shot. You're insinuating that I would have though, for reasons best known to yourself. Â He lost the title fight by a whisker pretty much, and has come closer than anyone else to beating Anderson. He also beat Brian Stann, who I would be arguing is the #1 contender had he beaten Sonnen. Â He's easily the #1 contender. Â While I don't have a problem with him having it, it's not down to him nearly beating Anderson (people don't get rematches for nearly beating the champ) Lets be honest, it's because that fight makes alot of $$$. Again nothing I have a problem with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted November 1, 2011 Author Share Posted November 1, 2011 While I don't have a problem with him having it, it's not down to him nearly beating Anderson (people don't get rematches for nearly beating the champ) Lets be honest, it's because that fight makes alot of $$$. Again nothing I have a problem with. Let's say that Anderson had knocked him out in the first round, yet he continued "talking smack". Would he still be the #1 contender? This is a situation where the UFC have captured lightning in a bottle, because they've got a guy in Sonnen who can do all of the fake pro-wrestling schtick to draw in the casuals, but more importantly they have a guy who can actually pose a real threat in the fight, and who is clearly the top contender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Bus Surfer Posted November 1, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted November 1, 2011 While I don't have a problem with him having it, it's not down to him nearly beating Anderson (people don't get rematches for nearly beating the champ) Lets be honest, it's because that fight makes alot of $$$. Again nothing I have a problem with. Let's say that Anderson had knocked him out in the first round, yet he continued "talking smack". Would he still be the #1 contender? This is a situation where the UFC have captured lightning in a bottle, because they've got a guy in Sonnen who can do all of the fake pro-wrestling schtick to draw in the casuals, but more importantly they have a guy who can actually pose a real threat in the fight, and who is clearly the top contender. Â Had he lost by KO early, I reckon they'd still have tried to get him in there with Silva. Sonnen would have still talked smack and built up a fight and the UFC would have done all they could to make it because It's top dollar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Dead Mike Posted November 1, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted November 1, 2011 While I don't have a problem with him having it, it's not down to him nearly beating Anderson (people don't get rematches for nearly beating the champ) Lets be honest, it's because that fight makes alot of $$$. Again nothing I have a problem with. Let's say that Anderson had knocked him out in the first round, yet he continued "talking smack". Would he still be the #1 contender? This is a situation where the UFC have captured lightning in a bottle, because they've got a guy in Sonnen who can do all of the fake pro-wrestling schtick to draw in the casuals, but more importantly they have a guy who can actually pose a real threat in the fight, and who is clearly the top contender. Â Had he lost by KO early, I reckon they'd still have tried to get him in there with Silva. Sonnen would have still talked smack and built up a fight and the UFC would have done all they could to make it because It's top dollar. Â Do you think that'd be the right thing to do? I agree with you that's what they would've done but I don't think they should've. I don't think he should be there now tbh. If you get caught cheating in a title shot you should get binned automatically IMO. Let alone all his lies regarding the Atheltic commission & the fraud shit too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted November 1, 2011 Author Share Posted November 1, 2011 Had he lost by KO early, I reckon they'd still have tried to get him in there with Silva. Sonnen would have still talked smack and built up a fight and the UFC would have done all they could to make it because It's top dollar. They could have tried, but no one except the most gullible would have bought into it. As I've argued with Supremo before, the classic case was Kimbo Slice. The UFC would have loved him to be a great fighter. He had the look, the tough guy internet background, the lot. He was a million dollars in the making. Â Just a shame he was shite though. He couldn't fight worth a fuck. Â The UFC can push a guy who has the gift of the gob, but only if he's got the goods to match. Otherwise he'll go nowhere. Â Sonnen is in there because he's the best in the division bar Silva. The fact he can talk is the icing on the cake, the lightning in the bottle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfMetal Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 I would highly recomend UFC Primetime that aired last night. Both JDS and Cain came across as very likable and somehow made me look forward to the fight more than I was previous.  Will we get this on UK TV?  http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xm1o52_uf...s-santos_webcam  only watched UFC Primetime in the run-up to Cain vs. Brock. And If Im honest, I only watch it becasue of Henry Rollins' voiceover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Bus Surfer Posted November 1, 2011 Paid Members Share Posted November 1, 2011 Had he lost by KO early, I reckon they'd still have tried to get him in there with Silva. Sonnen would have still talked smack and built up a fight and the UFC would have done all they could to make it because It's top dollar. They could have tried, but no one except the most gullible would have bought into it. As I've argued with Supremo before, the classic case was Kimbo Slice. The UFC would have loved him to be a great fighter. He had the look, the tough guy internet background, the lot. He was a million dollars in the making. Â Just a shame he was shite though. He couldn't fight worth a fuck. Â The UFC can push a guy who has the gift of the gob, but only if he's got the goods to match. Otherwise he'll go nowhere. Â Sonnen is in there because he's the best in the division bar Silva. The fact he can talk is the icing on the cake, the lightning in the bottle. Â In reality right now, I don't think it matters who you put in there with Silva. As much as I love Chael I don't give him much chance at all in the rematch, I think Silva will beat him comfortably. My point being it doesn't matter who's in there with him, but the UFC knows what's good for business, and his name is Chael Sonnen, and that's why he got the fight. I'm sure you were touting Bisping for a Title shot a few months ago, they could have easily made that instead of putting him with Miller. Sonnen was always getting a rematch. Shit we were all talking about it before he was back fighting and before he beat Stann. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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