The Cutting Edge

1 hour ago, garynysmon said:

Its bonkers isn't it? If you'd have told me in 1999 that he was 46 I woudn't have been surprised.

Then you look at some of the top boys in the WWE nowadays, AJ Styles (43), Daniel Bryan (39), The Miz (39), Sheamus (42), Bobby Lashley (43), neither of which come across as old men like the Bulldog did.

I think because he along him Hennig, Bossman, Anvil and a lot of 80s/early 90s guys were ancient due to how much things had changed.

Back then 2-3yrs could change a whole roster, now 5-10 yrs creates little change in a lot of ways.

Was thinking about HHH and Rocks evolution and feuds from 97-2000 and how much they grew and changed in that time, lower mid-card 97 then solid upper 98 to proper bonifide top guys 99-2000

I went to a load of TNA/Impact taping from 08-14 I think (when did James Storm do his cult faction?)

Went to Slammiversey 2010 which had a solid Kaz vs Angle opener, Rvd vs Sting in the main can't remember rest of the card.

Got to see a who's who or talent Hogan, Nash, Angle, Sting, Steiner plus guys you'd expect from that era, probably saw more of Jeff Hardy that any other wrestler

Crazy to think that was all free, its a whole other "what if" discussion that they should've done to capitalize on what they had.

Yeah double standards with a certain group of fans "wwe can't do anything right/Vince needs to retire" "aew is for the fans/shit stuff is wink wink" 

Not sure I agree with bikini models stuff, I know they movement is important but they are models that got a nights work they wouldn't have had at the moment.

And speaking out is about sexual harassment etc but does that mean we can't have cheerleaders, models etc on any type of tv show? Things need to improve but I don't see this as an issue.

Seth Rollins face turn in 2016 was weak and damaged him for a few months.

He returned from knee injury and got a huge face reaction but they decided to go with him as Authority heel despite the there not really being one at that point.

When they did go with him as a face due to Balor injury I assume, Triple H turns on him out of nowhere thus putting him as a face but without doing anything "good".

They could've had a slow burn story of Seth going face but Trips/Steph being pally with him until HE decides to fuck them off and "be his own man" etc leading to the mania match.

He got momentum eventually but it shouldn't have been that hard.

I don't think they need to break up but they've been a team 6 years or so? Its pretty stale as an act and how much longer can they keep doing same thing.

They could go with Big E push in the team but I think it would hold him back as a midcard world champion, I thought Kofi suffered same fate.

Keep Kofi and Woods on SD and draft E to Raw for a push, Keeps them together but apart and can always go back if need be.

From what I've read about E is he's happy pissing about with the New Day and doesn't wanna break up.

I think he's gonna do himself over if he doesn't push himself out of new day and try on his own, as much as wwe gets criticism for shit they do wrong (rightfully so at times) guys need to push or challenge themselves.

Wwe love the status quo so love acts that are over for years and don't wanna change.

The cabin is one for fishing I think, if your there for day, somewhere to change and eat then watch the sunset...

He reminded me of Thanos at the end of Infinity War 

Selfishly I'd like one more match at Mania next year only because I'm hoping to and would've been at Tampa this year, was at Orlando when he kinda retired and was a great moment.

But if he's finally done I'm happy for him, seems an even cooler guy than we had heard all these years.

He'll still make appearances here and there probably at Survivor Series for 30th anniversary and HOF at Mania 

Nothing new to add that hasn't been said.

But I don't think its right that random names get chucked out with no reason or context, as they say mud sticks and these guys could unjustly suffer consequences for something they didn't do.

Those guilty with evidence deserve what they get but the innocent shouldn't be tarred with same brush, Social Media is quick to remember the wrong stuff and the victims deserve better.

Orton has been great since mid last year, really seems to give a shit, as said have Orton beat Drew at say Survivor Series, subtley setting up Edge Rumble return and Win and that's your wwe title match set, yeah it doesn't build to the future but they weren't this year for both top titles.

Otherwise pretty solid show....speaking of Show...Why was Big Show there? Could Viking Profits not handle 4 midget ninjas and a big guy (who looks like Titus), very strange

30 minutes ago, Meej81 said:

Cornette talks about this on his latest podcast.... basically calls on Cole to get on the roidburgers if he wants to get anywhere on the main roster

Yeah I listened to that, he has a point (not roids obviously) but he needs to add width and size to his upper body, it's only thing he's missing.

I'm watching Nitros from 96 and forgot how big Scott Steiner was, I knew he got big but i always remembered it as "heel turn/roid monster" 

Adam Cole bugs me because he could bulk up and add meat to him frame, he's got the pc trainers and fitness guys to help him gain a bit of size, decent sized guys in most gyms look bigger/better than him.

If you can't be big be defined, guys like Ciampa, Gargano, etc don't have to be big to look good.

Nowadays I don't think its important to "look tough" as it did in the 80s

Randy Orton has nearly always looked great, recent years he's looking better being thicker all over rather than his 09-10 skinny sick look he was rocking.

HHH body wise has had loads of ups and downs but I'd say he's looked his best past few years, around Mania 34 looking lean but ripped with bald head and big beard is a great look.

Guys like HBK 96-97, Rollins and Ciampa can't be overlooked from a realistic (gym goer could achieve) but athletic build to them 

Goldberg is so fascinating to watch, everything he does is needlessly stressful to him or mentioning his age, how hard and monotonous working out is, 24, Chronicle and On the day of are great snippets into his brain, he seems to need constant validation.

No wonder guys like Nash, Hall and Hogan got in his head and made him a paranoid wreck in wcw

I'd say Kross is still a heel but wants the title (as he should), Priest after his promo is heading or is a face, Balor seems like a tweener going after whoever he sets his sights on or goes after him.

56 minutes ago, King Pitcos said:

If Vince doesn’t like groups, whoever is controlling the shows at the moment does. Raw has got two heel factions that are always heavily featured - they seemed to be starting a third with MVP too, but may have sacked that off because it’s overkill. SmackDown has got the Forgotten Sons, and had Sami Zayn’s group before lockdown. Between the UK and US, NXT has got at least three or four gangs. 

Over the last couple of years as well, various combinations of Corbin, Orton, Ziggler, McIntyre, Lashley, Shane McMahon etc have formed groups to oppose one of the top babyfaces. 

It was Triple H mentioned it on Evolution doc.

I wouldn't say those a factions, more like loose group of heels or tag teams, to me a proper group should have a name, music, gimmick etc 

One of many "what's ifs" in wrestling, you probably wouldn't get one without the other but how would wwe look at the time if Diesel and Razor stayed?

Diesel just went heel, Vince might've kept Hall straight from alcohol etc you'd imagine a wwe title program with HBK would've happened or they've joined together to form DX/The Kliq.

He was better off being in wcw during the attitude era, 96-97 he would've been ok working HHH, Austin, Harts, HBK etc but 98 onwards he may have looked old hat compared to Rock, DX, Hardys etc.

Wcw had older guys but with a freshish lick of paint and 80s guys he was associated with so wouldn't be the old guy 

Was 93 the back injury?

If so timing was a shame because his face run was good but not long enough to judge too much, could've been a good heel vs Bret, Diesel, HBK over the next few years.

Above points cover it, was a surprise hit in 2002 but the bloated roster of the time he didn't do much.

Semi related but I've found it crazy that Vince doesn't like groups despite the boom period/attitude era for the whole industry was heavily based on factions, not all were great but from 96-01 you have, nwo, dx, harts, doa, nation, horseman, boriquas, corporation, ministry, radicalz, revolution.....probably a few more too.

Not in the time frame but Evolution and Undisputed Era are great too, wish they'd bring back factions now and again if they fit, heel ones vs a top face would really help them 

5 minutes ago, Statto said:

Nothing says "longest title reign in history is in real jeopardy" like putting the match on in the middle of the card.

Yeah made it clear Dream wasn't winning and either IO or Rhia was

26 minutes ago, HarmonicGenerator said:

They moved Dijakovic? I read about Riddle going to Smackers but that one’s passed me by. Which show’s he off to? 

Read last week he did vignettes or a match for Raw during the tapings.

UE would be a great force to dominate on SD for Reigns and Uso's to work with, SD really needs the help.

Dream seems to have struggled since NXT went live in Sept, dunno what happened but he seemed to be "off" or lose momentum, injury aside he seemed to be struggling to find his spot I guess

Near future call ups need to be Dream, Gargano and Undisputed Era.

Riddle and Dijakovic have been moved

I know that rips out a lot of guys from the roster but its time to make room for Kross, Priest, Lee, etc maybe move over some UK guys, Balor and Ciampa will be the anchors of the crew.

All this post apocalypse not right now

Wasteland is an ok move but shit finisher, Barrett never seemed strong enough for it to make an impact.

Just watched the debut, its a great moment but few minor things to me would've upped the chaos: 

: During the beatings show backstage in chaos too, have a guys battered in the hallway, forklift blocking locker rooms, "NEXUS" spray painted on a wall, I know its very nWo but that's not always a bad thing.

: Cena and the set got battered for about 10mins but No one helped, little things like above can explain these things and make sense.

Daniel Bryan could've given the Nexus the edge to win at Summerslam, either return at the end of the match to help them or have him on face team but turn Cena for Nexus win, anti-wwe even then was what he was about with the miz and Cole abuse, and give NEXUS a good worker

Kingdom of Heaven

Don't remember much about it other than being long drawn out and dull with a weak as piss battle scene.