Taylorslade

What a great time for Middleweight boxing on the British Isles. Henry Wharton and Nicky Piper weren't awful either.

....and don't forget Herol Graham. Someone might say "Well that was a bit earlier"....but that was only because nobody would fight him during the height of the British Middleweight golden era. Chris Eubank, was a sparring partner brought in by Brendan Ingle to work with Graham, and Ingle says Eubank, getting increasingly frustrated at the inability to land a glove on Graham, jumped out the ring and threw a fit shouting "I'm not sparring with him anymore!! Tell him to box properly!" I found that hilarious, like a kid who's playing WWF with his mates and they keep no-selling his offence.

Actually, all that came out in the Naz Vs Eubank feud, and apprently was about 1988 although Im not sure, here's the video anyway ;

Ingle's Eubank impersonation is some funny shit.

ESPN Classics showed some early Naz fights and he looked quality. Think might have been his first 2. I thought Naz was a great fighter but i didn't like his personality. To me he came across as a bit of a dick, when i say dick i mean unlikeable and I think the British public got tired of his attitude.

 

Where as Eubank was no doubt arrogant, I found him to be less offensive and still quite likeable.

 

On Taylorslide question who is the greatest of all time, according to most pundits they do say SRR and there

Always been a bit wary of buying career sets, i always see en in boxing monthly but im always annoyed at how much they charge. Surely they are just downloading them off the world boxing video archive and just selling them onto people who don't know where to download em?

Aye Ebb, them in the Monthly are grossly overpriced, but from Ian who runs Superstars of Boxing, the average is about

I would just like to add something to the statement I made about Naseem Hamed being the most talented fighter that the UK has ever produced. I really do believe that, but I have to say that there was another guy who was easily on Hamed's level, just nowhere near the concussive one-shot KO hitter Naz was.

The fighter I'm talking about is Nipper Pat Daly, who fought through Flyweight to Lightweight, was mainly a Featherweight at the peak of his genius. A real wizard in the ring.

He turned professional at nine years old. Yes, NINE. By the time he was 16 he was the youngest fighter ever to be ranked in the top ten in any weight division by Ring Magazine, in 1929 when he debuted at Number 10 during September of that year, a record that still stands to this present day. He would also go on to fight in 33 contests in 1929 which was his busiest period by some distance, once again, this was at 16 years old.

When legendary MiddleWeight champion "The Toy Bulldog", Mickey Walker was over here to defend his title against Tommy Milligan in 1927, the 14 year old Nipper Daly served as a main sparring partner for Mickey Walker, and the champion and his manager, the fabled Jack "Doc" Kearns, were said to be in total disbelief because of his ability and extremely young age. Walker would later be quoted as saying that was probably the best sparring he ever had.

There are a few sets on Ioffer that all seem to have around 35 fights on, decent prices. Same for Ebay. As far as a fully complete collection, like I say, the best bet is 4PlayFights, full box art like you mentioned, but he's expensive. His ads are almost always in the back of Boxing Monthly, and I've just checked the latest advert he had in there,and he's asking

Great posts Taylorslade really enjoy reading them and looking forward to your season review tonight, from your posts it appears you have boxed how far did you get mate ?

 

 

also i was wondering if any of you guys have bought this http://www.mike-tyson-dvd.com/, looks a really good set i had a complete tyson set but was on 6 discs with just plastic wallets and has such i kept losing them (i think i have lent them out to me mate and he lost them), but this set is presented in box and some great cover art looks a steal at

What is everyones opinion of Prince Naz.

 

He is my favorite boxer ever, i recently bought this DVD which highlights his career up until just before the Barrera fight

 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Naseem-Hamed-Best-...8297&sr=8-1

 

That fight with Kevin Kelly is a classic. I hae heard he didnt put the training in later in his career and with his damaged hands he didnt reach his potential. I always liked his risky style and attitude, but I could understand why some loathed him for being such a cocky prick.

Naz was, in my opinion, the most talented British fighter of all time. I can't begin to describe how hard he hit, I sparred him for a charity appeal and of course that's NOT where I had first hand knowledge of that power, but I saw him do a few rounds on the heaviest Cleto Reyes heavy bag I've ever seen, and he abused it. Really.

Here's a story that Emannuel Stewart likes to tell. Of course he worked with Naz for the final few fights of his career, and he also trained Lennox Lewis of course. Well, Stewart has said, a few times, that Hamed hit harder than Lennox, and when he said that, he didn't mean in a Pound for Pound sense, but he actually generated more raw power from each of his punches than Lennox. They had some guy check it out with a pressure gauge. I believe it aswell, because I've seen hard hitters, but Naz's power had a much, much different edge too it than anyone elses.

Naz was massive Box Office, Sky Box Office was built on him. He changed the economic model in boxing and switched the attention on the lighter weights. He made that grand stage and when he left boxing, the Featherweight golden age featuring Pacquiao, Barrera, Morales and Marquez was seen by much more people and for much bigger purses because of the interest that Hamed generated for those guys to run with when he left.

And to think, whatever you think of the outcome would be....he almost signed to face Floyd Mayweather in 2000 at Super-Feather, and a young Manny Pacquiao who had just hooked up with Roach.

Sorry to add a seperate reply even though I've just posted, but I wanted to make sure you guys saw this, which is why I didn't just Edit my previous post but ....

There are two brilliant fights on tonight, ESPN classic ;

ESPN Classic ; 4:20 pm - Evander Holyfield Vs George Foreman

If you can only watch one, then make it this one. One of my all time favourites, both guys take just tee-off on eachother with a series of savage shots. I can't tell you how tough this fight was, in my opinion one of the most brutal in heavyweight history in terms of punches landed cleanly, and considering the size of foreman with his power and the shots just bounce off Evander like crabs getting the Derbac treatment.

ESPN Classic - 11:05pm - Holyfield Vs Mercer

Another good one, although not on the same level as the Foreman fight. Holyfield got a lot of stick after this fight.

Anyway the Foreman fight starts in a few mins, so if you havent seen it, watch it. If you have, watch the cunt again.

yeh, post that shit up! ill read through it.

 

you writing it for a specific site?

No brother just here, just for fun really, for you guys to read and hopefully spark some discussion.

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying he's fighting has beens but that's a criticism I hear on Khan. When he fought Barrera and now fighting Judah and the talk of Morales.

 

It mainly comes from casual boxing viewers, Khan fights someone dangerous like Maidana and they haven't really heard of him. Khan fights a name they've heard of and they say yeah but he's past it. Used to hear the same with Calzaghe towards the end of his career. I remember when Calzaghe battered Jeff Lacy and my mate went yeah but who's Jeff Lacy? He beat Hopkins and the same mate said but Hopkins is old. Look at Hopkins now.

 

People just like to have a moan.

The fighter which I've heard this old chestnut used with, is Mike Tyson. His supporters just cannot accept that he was not a GREAT fighter, but a very very good one. If you weren't in fear of him, and fought like you weren't in fear of him, then it was going to be a long night for Iron Mike. They have an excuse for every fight he lost ; the Buster Douglas defeat was because of his marriage and turmoil surrounding him, the first loss to Evander Holyfield was apparently because Tyson wasn't the same guy who he was before he went to Jail, and of course, Lennox Lewis would've been wheeled out on a stretcher had they fought in 1987.

1- Buster Douglas just put in the performance of a lifetime, he had the skills to beat anybody but he was lazy and didn't want it. However, losing his Mother a little while before the fight allowed him to put a whoopin on Mike. He took Mike's best shots, even getting up after than savage uppercut knockdown. He was better on that night, simple as that. However, you don't judge a fighters career on one night, you look at how consistent they were and the standard of opposition, along with a few other things.

2- Tyson's excuse makers forget a few important things ; Tyson, while he did not have Kevin Rooney, who was important to Tyson, he was still capable of all the exact same moves and executing the same tactics which made him look so invincible from 85-89, and lastly....Evander himself had been through 3 damaging fights with Riddick Bowe from 92-95, he was meant to be nothing more than heavyweight cannon fodder for Tyson and was labelled "shot" by everyone, he had been through a battle with Hepatitis C, and had suffered from some sort of heart disorder which left it enlarged. There were fears for Holyfield, geniune ones. However, he went in, took all of Tyson's best punches (go back and take a look if you don't believe me), Tyson did everything to Holyfield that night which he would've done if it was 1988. Holyfield was just a better fighter. Holyfield = Great fighter. Tyson = very very good.

3 - I'll admit Tyson was a shell of his former self when he fought Lewis, but Lennox was no spring chicken himself, although a lot closer to his prime than Mike. I'm of the belief that Lewis would've always beat Tyson no matter when. Great telephone pole like jab, booming right cross and a sickening uppercut all spelled bad news for Tyson, but that's all speculation.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy watching Tyson as much as anyone, but it's ridiculous when people say "he's the greatest heavyweight ever", and even "he's the best fighter who ever lived"....it's all opinion, but that's just absolute rubbish. To be great, you need longevity, Tyson had five good years.

Whilst we are on the subject....greatest fighter who ever lived? Well, it's all opinion, but I don't think anyone can seriously dispute that Sugar Ray Robinson was the man. For me, there's Ray Robinson, and then there's everyone else.

He was flawless.

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Its just the way it is, Hattons best wins were against Tszyu and Castillo, one was an inactive fighter at the twilight of his career, the other was an old Mexican fighting for money

Yeah, you're right. But almost everyone picked Tszyu to beat Hatton, and easily. So it's easy to say now that Kostya was finished, but as Buncey says "SHOW ME YA BETTIN SLIP THEN SAN!!".

Look, we all know that the young guys always end up picking on the old guys, but the problem with Khan was he did an interview for somewhere, I forget the publication or website, but it was quite mainstream, so it was heavy shit when he said ;

"Boxing is all about fighting the right guys at the right time, you fight them when they are finished and washed up, so you fight guys who you know you will beat, not because you're a better fighter, but because of the situation, and you stick it on Pay Per View so you make the most money on it."

Yes, he actually said that. Sometime last years. Richard Shaeffer and De La Hoya of GBP were reportedly furious, too right aswell.

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The whole argument of "if he was in his prime", "he's damaged goods" etc.....it's a load of hypocritical bollocks. You get these so-called "experts" who love to harp on about the days when a loss didnt signal the end of a fighter's career, and they were allowed to re-build and come back stronger. Yet these same guys, when, for example....Manny Pacquiao bashed Miguel Cotto up. When Manny won, after the fight, all I heard was "Cotto isn't the same fighter he was before Margarito, he's damaged goods". Well, that's one loss on an otherwise fantastic record of a guy who was a brilliant amateur, and about 4 years ago was the guy who everybody claimed Mayweather was avoiding. One loss in a tough fight, against a guy who probably had loaded hand wraps, and they write him off, and dis-count Pacquiao's win, by saying that Cotto wasnt the same man he was. Yeah, Cotto took a good bashing in the Margarito fight, but look at the Pacquiao fight ; he was very very highly competitive for the first four rounds, the best four rounds I've seen for years, with both fighters operating on an incredibly high skill level at the same time. If Cotto was "damaged goods", or "not the same guy" then he wouldn't of been anywhere near as competitive as he was in that fight until Manny turned up the heat, if he was a shot fighter, you can bet that a fighter with the speed and firepower of Pacquiao would've took care of him within 2 rounds. Then there's what Cotto has done after the Pacquiao fight, he's had some good wins, headlined the first show at the new Yankee Stadium.

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For anyone who might be interested, I'll be posting my review of the boxing season of 2010/2011, later on tonight. There will be imaginary awards, hyperbole, and ruthless burial of those who provided the absolute most shitty-arse parts of this season. I'll be doing it later on tonight, so....have a butchers.

Oh, and Ebb, about Graham Earl, I've just noticed your question....

Like the guys have said, he was one of those guys who don't know when to say when. To be honest, and I really don't want to insult him because I like Graham, but he's a little dozy, and he is very stubborn, so he will keep going and going, often with not very much method in his madness. He's one of those fighters that need saving from themselves, they absorb a punch so well and stay on their feet, but they still accumulate the same punishment in their skull and because they take this full blooded shots and lot of them, they are a danger to themselves. The cornerman, which I think was Johnny Eames (although not sure, just off the top of my head), it's worth remembering that no only would he know this, but he has also been witness to whatever hard, potentially damaging sparring that Earl had taken part in. Sparring sessions often fly under the radar in terms of how they take their toll on guys.

Anyway, Eames, I think jumped the gun a little quick. Good job that they had a great referee in there in Mickey Vann, who knows the histories of all the guys he officiates, and treats them accordingly at certain times like when to save guys and when to let them have a little more of a chance if they have a history of pulling it out the bag like Earl, or someone like Evander Holyfield, and also if they are a defending champion etc.

If a fighters chief second throws in the towel, it doesn't mean automatic stoppage. That's just the corner saying that THEY have seen enough, but also because it could've been anyone who threw the towel in and not the main man in the corner. It's up to the referee though, but if the corner object to the referee overruleing their call and walk in the ring, then it becomes an automatic DQ, which is why you will often see cornermen running in the ring when a guy gets knocked down and doesn't look like beating the count, they get in the ring so it's declared a DQ and not a KO. This is something that's dying out, it was only relevant and useful back before the internet era with things like boxrec or youtube, and they did it because it was seen to be something really negative on a guys record if he stayed out for the ten, and if it just said DQ on the record then the managers or promoters looking for guys to fight their guys, they looked and saw someone who could give their prospect a good night's work. Like I say, it might seem daft now, but this was prevalent during the 1930's to the early 1980's, when fights werent all taped, back then - certainly the 30's - 60's, it was expensive to film fights and promoters werent keen on that of course. So if you looked at a guys record back then, then that was how it went down. Shit, a lot of guys didn't even keep fighter's RECORDS back then! Even up to the 1980's, boxing fight records werent reliable at all, and the ones that were in existence were mainly done by a guy called Raplh Citro, who was Cut-man for the Kronk gym in the 80's among others. It's down to his efforts that a massive amount of the material on BoxRec survives now.

Even now, effects of this shoddy record-keeping in the pre and post war era are still showing up now, as you can see if you go on BoxRec a couple times a week, a lot of the fighters records from those decades are being chopped and changed everyday. There's a ridiculous amount of effort those guys have to put into that site.

Ricky Morton Hates Kevin Nash

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoXGhx4xZh8

 

 

 

Kevin Nash has made a real reply to Ricky Morton

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF5VcY3Rk3M...feature=related

I haven't been keeping up with this war of the mullets but ;

Aren't these two booked in a match against eachother on a show soon?....

Could've swore I saw an ad for it somewhere on some merchandise site. Then again, I might've been pissed at the time....

EDIT ----- This must've been take 2 or something, apologies if already posted

He said he probably just pushed his wife after an argument and she hit her head and he killed his kid afterwards after going mental. Wasn

Has anybody seen the Mike Graham shoot? I'm just asking because I'm curious about his thoughts on the Benoit murder case, seeings as he knew Nancy well, and had history with Benoit in WCW with the Kevin Sullivan thing, and I've heard that he has a completley different theory on it than everyone else has.

I stand by my opinion that the best ever RF Shoot is when an already severely mentally disintegrating Ole Anderson absolutely rips Feinstein apart and makes RF like the biggest idiot and least knowledgeable man about his occupation to have ever lived.

Bollocks, Rob has forgotten more about rimming 13-year old lads than what anyone else could ever know.

Except Mel Phillips, of course.

Its just that RF has so little pride in what he's selling, he released it anyway.

The worst example of this, for me anyway, was the horribly sad Terry Gordy interview, which I think was done not long before Bam Bam's death (although I'm not sure on that), he is so out his mind on Xanax and whatever else he can hardly get his words out.

As for the best and worst shoot interviews? Well, the most ridiculous one to be made was the RF STAFF SHOOT, featuring Doug Gentry, Hot Rob and Gabe, I think the interview was done by Eric Gargulo. This had to be the most annoying 2hours that I have ever sat through, I don't know how I managed it. The whole thing consisted on the three of them, particularly Gabe and Rob, 'playing a hard wrestler on a shoot', sort of thing, with lines like ; Gargulo : "Anything to say to people watching this?", Gabe and Rob ; "...er yeah, just thanks for the support, and if anyone doesn't like me then....fuck you" (followed by the most pathetic "arent we great" style giggling. Although there was one good story, told by Gentry, about Joe C calling up for the first time to order ECW videos, and Doug, not knowing who he was, refused to process his order until he "put his parents on the phone". After a profanity filled rant from the little man, along with an explanation, the penny finally dropped, and of course Joe C was an ECW fan for years.

Oh yeah, and Gabe told a story about how in 1995 in the ECW arena, backstage, Scott Steiner, who Gabe hadn't met before, yelled (insert Michigan accent here) "EYY CUM ERE KID I'MA BREAK YOUR FUCKIN ARM!", Sapolsky fretted like fuck until Taz apparently told Steiner that he was with them.

need to get me some more shoot's.

 

i watched Nick Mondo's Forever Unscarred dvd the other day which has a 2 hour 'shoot' shot by the SMV guys. As an interview it's pretty shit, Mondo doesn't remember much and kinda skims over a lot of shit, but seeings as i was such a CZW fan boy back in the day it's nice to get a little sneak peak of what went on behind the scenes. I'd recommend it if you're a fan.

I once bought a Chris Candido shoot interview that was made by Smart Mark Video, and I remember thinking that it was a lot better than most of the RF ones I had, in terms of questions asked and the flow of the interview. Candido was great on it also, he was always one of my personal favourites, and somebody who was an under-appreciated as anyone during the 90's. RIP.

On the subject of Candido, I still have the tape of the show in which he won the NWA title, it was 1994 and the tournament was held not long after Shane Douglas vacated it. The video I have, is the master from the handheld videocamera, the bloke who filmed it, did a really good job, and I think it is possibly the only recording that was made of this particular tournament held in Cherryhill NJ, that may or may not be true, but I have never seen it pop up on Youtube yet, so it's a cool video to have.

Wasnt RF Video the official distributor prime years of ECW? It might be a deal where what they sold, they had access to put on their DVD's. They used to jam ECW matches into their old shoot interviews and stuff. WWE only bought the assets of ECW, so it might have been a situation where WWE only owns the co-ownership of the ECW library. I believe RF's Doug Gentry filmed all the ECW shows and Feinstein flogged the videos at the gimmick table. Saying that, surely the first thing I'd have done if I was Feinstein and I owned the rights to show ECW would be to have had old ECW footage on those early ROH shows. Just to give it a bit more appeal to that audience. I really have no idea, I'm just throwing it against the wall. If any promotion is going to have a tangled web of confusion about anything, its ECW. It was a mess as far as the business end went.

Well, RF Video as a company, has it's origins with ECW, in a way that Feinstein and Co were more or less "ECW Home Video" while the company was going, and I think they only started branching off and being "RF Video" because they wanted to start using all kinds of footage from all different territories and Countries on their compilation tapes and shoot interviews. If you look back, I think almost all of the first few shoot interviews were ECW guys, of course this was because they were immediatley accessible to RF, but they coould also use the footage to splice into the interview. Once RF Video started and they began "branching out", they really did begin to use almost ALL kinds of footage which they didn't own, I know for a fact they used the following, as I have the tapes still ; AWA, WCCW, USWA, JCP, even early WCW was on some of them, I remember them having a Best of Dusty Rhodes "in the NWA" tape I got from them in 98, and it has almost all of the same matches that are now on the WWE Dusty DVD. I think the main reason they got away with this, was because that at the time, the ownership of this sort of footge was kind of all over the place, and not under one umbrella like it is now with WWE. They also sold lots of Ric Flair compilations, one of them consisted of almost 10 tapes and spanned every promotion and territory he ever worked for, including the WWF.

I think I have got to the bottom of this ECW thing; Of course, RF legally own the FANCAM stuff. When Heyman made an agreement with RF for him to do so, the video production output of ECW was limited to the local TV showings and Commercial tapes which only came out every few months, so having RF film and sell the house shows, generated much more video production, revenue and other things. I think it was a good thing, because if they didn't film the house shows, a lot of memorable ECW moments would probably have been consigned to the memory and chinese whisper catagory. Although I'm sure New Jack won't agree....

Now, the deal was, that RF filmed the shows, and Heyman agreed ( I think) to allow RF Video to sell all of the videos that they processed as "ECW Home Video" on the RF Video website, but they are not allowed to sell them "commercially", whatever that means. This included the commercial tapes ( the events filmed mainly at the ECW arena such as "double tables" etc), TV tapings, and of course Fancams. I think the deal was made before ECW had a PPV deal, so Im not sure what goes for them shows, but I do know that he uses them on his Best Of's. There was also something in the agreement which meant that the TV tapings could not be edited, which might explain the ICOPRO ads and excessive ads for Tod Gordon's Pawnshop.

As for RF filming the shows, I've always been told this, but the Fancams differ greatly from the Commercial videos and TV tapings in terms of standard of picture etc, so I'm not sure if they brought in outside help to shoot the main shows, as they were the main source of revenue for ECW early on.

Or something like that.

They have some sort of agreement with RF which means they are able to show the footage on their Timeline series.

 

There is a Kayfabe Commentaries sub-forum on the Kayfabe Memories message board which Sean posts on regularly.

I thought that might be it, but I don't see how RF can own any of the footage I've seen them use. Fancams are one thing, and I've heard about some agreement with Heyman and RF, which sounds suspect anyway, but Commercial releases and the TV blocks along with PPVs are surely a clear-cut and sealed property of WWE.

I remember when CZW had that music video made and put on their website, a music video celebrating 10 years of wrestling at Viking Hall, and they had to take it down because it was of course made up of ECW footage they didn't own. It was available after that on shit like Kazaa through people who downloaded it off the CZW site, and I think it still survives on Youtube, but there wasn't any difference between what was in that video and what I've seen in the KC videos.

Watched maria youshoot yesterday, liked youshoot format wasn't expecting much from Maria and still was dissapointed. She spent five years with the worlds biggest wrestling company and dated cm punk and doesn't even have 1 mildly intresting or entertaining anecdote to show for it. She doesn't like Cornette because he jumped to conclusions after 2 conversations and thought she was a bubble head. After watching this shoot I came to the conclusion she really lives her gimmick. She is fit as fuck but she doesn't strip on the video, she shares what's on her mind with you. Do not bother with this if you wanna know its "a nice size" (blandest answer ever) and she doesn't like Melina. Just saved u 2hrs.

At least cabana and punk would be entertaining.

I take it you were disapointed then. Expecting something bigger?

As far as boring and quite pointless shoot interviews go, for me, it has to be Jimmy Yang. From what I remember, he had absolutley nothing interesting to say, seemed very uncomfortable and it just seemed like he didn't want to say anything at all controversial or anything negative, in fear of not wanting to make enemies. I can understand that, it is his living after all, but I don't see the point in doing one of those interviews if you can't be honest. I know that some guys dont have the nature to bad mouth people, or that some guys now and then seem to get on with anyone and he may very well have nothing bad or negative to say, but when you watch it you can see he is holding back and taking the "hey don't look at me, I aint got nuthin to do with it" stance. He probably just wanted the money and get the fuck out.

I've just recently been watching The extended preview of the Sabu ECW timeline from kayfabe commentaries and I'm wondering how they can use what is clearly footage from ECW commercial releases and TV. It says on the screen when playing "footage courtesy of RF video", which I'm sure is bollocks. Most of the footage in question was from the 96-98 period, which were the years in which Sabu and Van Dam had their run as a bonafide tag team.

You've gotta love the diplomatic way in which Saturn dealt with the issue of him submitting positive drug tests in WCW.

Uncle Eric ; "Hey brah, what are we gonna do about these positive tests? I mean, you've got many friends here, and we don't want to have to fire you, so...."

Saturn ; "Then stop fucking testing me then."

....and he was never tested again. Bravo, Sir.

Someone mentioned about Khan not getting alot of love over her, i for one used to be a massive fan of khan but he chases the $ for me, don't get me wrong everyman should but the way he does it in my opinion is by fucking his fans over and this is all because of the sky fiasco that has been going on over the past few months. I for one was gonna pay the box office fee for the Khan vs paul mccloskey fight but was delighted when sky put it on sky sports 4 as in all honesty the undercard was piss poor and is paul mccloskey really a big world name worth

Good discussion on this thread guys although some of it is way above my level of expertise so don't want to embarass myself but interesting to read none the less.

 

Working my way through a Felix Trinidad career set just now. That guy was poetry in motion.

Don't be silly Stylin, get mucked into the conversation. I'd say that if you've went and got a Felix Trinidad career set, then you're in a lot deeper than the average guy on here, and knowing you on here for nearly ten years, I know that you always bring great opinions and points to any discussion.

How's Dan the man? Thebruiser, that is.

Good discussion on this thread guys although some of it is way above my level of expertise so don't want to embarass myself but interesting to read none the less.

 

Working my way through a Felix Trinidad career set just now. That guy was poetry in motion.

Yeah, as Wandshogun said, the Vargas fight is a cracker, and the Mayorga fight is another of my personal faves. You gotta love Mayorga standing there begging Tito to hit him repeatedly, and then Tito granting him his wish with a couple of real solid cracks.

Also, I have to say, that I did not see why there was such a big controversy with Trinidad getting the decision over De La Hoya. I don't feel that Oscar was a winner in that fight at all. If someone was to watch the HBO broadcast of that fight as their first viewing, they would probably see DLH got robbed, and the same if they watched the HBO legendary nights. Personally, I think that is one of the most over-played "bad decisions" in boxing, as it wasn't a bad verdict at all.

Yeah Morales always came off as a bit of a nut, always preferred Barrera and Marquez both for how they fought and how they carried themselves but from an in ring point of view I couldn't seperate the 3 and the first and third Barrera/Morales fights are among my favourite fights of all time.

 

Still wouldn't mind seeing Marquez vs Morales, just to complete that 4 way of Pacquiao, Barrera, Marquez and Morales.

 

But yeah Khan will beat Morales. Just hope Morales makes a good fight of it again but like you say Khan will be a very tough fight being the younger, faster, fresher fighter.

Barrera Vs Morales 1 is my favourite fight of all time, along with Hagler Vs Mugabi, Corrales Vs Castillo 1, Holyfield Vs Bowe 1, Gatti Vs Rodriguez, Gatti Vs Ruelas, Gatti Vs Ward 1, Pryor Vs Arguello 1, Pacquiao Vs Marquez 1....along with a few others.

One thing I will say about Morales, is that he's one of the very very few fighters that I've seen who could use the straight right hand, to the pit of the stomach, with effect. Tremendously hard shot to land, and to land without getting countered is even harder.

Khan would give anybody problems, that includes Mayweather. One writer from Boxing Monthly has been saying he would fancy Khan to beat Mayweather over Pacquiao

The primary logic behind that, in my opinion, is that Khan has that incredibly long jab, and closes the distance tremendously quickly between the first and second phase of his attacks. The jab being the most important factor here, not only because Khan has a great long jab, but also because for all of Mayweather's wizardry and amazing skills, he has an unusual amount of trouble against guys with a good jab, especially for someone as talented as he is.

Another legend on Khan's victim list most likely. Bit disappointed cos I'd rather have seen Khan vs Bradley but this will do. Morales is on the decline but he showed in his last fight with Maidana that he still has some fight in him and can still produce some exciting fights. I'm expecting Khan to win on points, possibly stop him in the later rounds.

In the Maidana fight, Morales was just able to use all of the skills that a cunning veteran fighter has learned in a lifetime of boxing, that allowed him to hang in there and more than hold his own. He "old man'd" his way through that fight

Different story with Khan, though, and I don't really want this fight to happen, as Morales is a modern great and it would be sad to see. I don't think he would get past the 5th round. Mainly because of the speed, both hand and foot. Morales was able to hang in with Maidana, because he could see where most of the punches were coming from and because Maidana does not have swift feet, Morales was able to smother his offense, tie him up and spin him around. Khan would unleash his blistering combo's and I don't think Morales will be able to defend against them, leading to the referee jumping in, not because Morales would be hurt much, but because of the speed making it look worse than what it really was. I think that would definatley be a fight where youth would win, and not really the better fighter. Like I say, I wouldn't want to see Morales go out like that, but I would sooner it be him than Marquez, as even though I've always been a fan of El Terrible, he hasn't exactly been the most respectful of guys, and sometimes he has even shown himself to be quite a classless piece of shit. So whilst I wouldn't be eager to see Morales get bashed up by a younger fighter, it wouldn't have the same depressing effect that it did when Khan won a TD over a blood-drenched Marco Antonio Barrera, a true nice guy in world boxing and one of my personal favourites, in a fight which had an uncanny resemblance to the first fight between Oscar De La Hoya and Julio Caesar Chavez.

Furys a heavy, do not really rate him but he is a great charachter, same as Chisora. He's in rubbish shape though.

At 6 foot 9, with his body composition and genetic make up, I don't think Fury will ever be able to box with the kind of technical skill and speed which other giants like Lennox Lewis, Riddick Bowe or Wladimir Klitschko have been able to do. He does have a decent amount of skills though, but I think he will always look quite ponderous no matter what his cardio levels are, thanks to his frame and proportions. Guys like Lewis, Bowe and Klitschko and even Michael Grant (just the main examples) were more or less the same sort of size as Fury is now, give or take an inch or two here and there, but they had the correct physical proportions and more importantly, were in possession of a body full of fast-twitch muscle fibres that allowed them to retain their speed, power and precision. Fury doesn't have these natural gifts, but I think he will still be moderatley successful, especially going by the current crop and potential future crop of heavyweights that might pop up in the next few years, and he's marketable to a certain extent, although he needs to be a little more modest sometimes, and providing he is moved properly in the coming years, he could possibly find himself in the right place at the right time, more than once.