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Do you think they would put a fight like Barrera/Morales on an undercard? I'd love to see it but I'd imagine they'd be greedy and try to sell it as a seperate PPV

Well normally I would say that they wouldn't do it, but with the circumstances the way they are, Mexican holiday and the stuff I've mentioned, they have a massive opportunity to take advantage of. If they done it, and it was a great fight, then there would be a great buzz surrounding it and that would rub off on everyone involved and that's what you want when showing new stars like Alvarez and Ortiz, aswell as old favourites like Morales, Barrera and Mayweather.

I would argue that it's better for them to do it in a situation like this than if they were to promote it for months like they would if it were on it's own show, because if it's a duff then it's not much lost.

Initially I thought that they would've offered the Morales fight to Anthony Crolla who was the original opponent for him, but I think he has other plans for that show.

Well I have heard that he has been training, but I didn't mean that there is a serious chance he will be the replacement at all. However, I'm being serious when I say that that's what I would do if I were looking for a replacement like they are now. The fact that it would be placed on a stacked card at the last minute would be a blessing, because if it ends up a bad fight then people won't grumble and everyone could say they done their best. However, if it was a great fight (which it probably would be, aside from their history, but they have both deteriorated to the point where a slug fest would be odds on), then it could turn out a great night with great bonus on there.

And it's a Mexican holiday, which is one of the things this card is being sold on over there, so what better....

Fucks sake how many pullouts now is that. This is like the 3rd opponent for Morales to pull out in the last couple of months. Wonder who they could get to step in now on this notice?

I've heard Barrera's been in the gym....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/14818719.stm

 

Exactly what boxing needs more of!

The thing is, Pacquiao has his own record out in the Phillipines, and he takes this whole singing thing very seriously. Even though he's shit.

Harrison on Strictly Come Dancing? I can just picture Frank Warren's column on saturday, full of "Audley and the BBC" gags.

Here's a good article which I came across, in which Bernard Hopkins, Felix Trinidad and Don King reliving their experiences of being just blocks away from the WTC on 9/11. Of course, the two 160-pounders were scheduled to fight on Sept.15 at Madison Square Garden, in a fight of massive importance, both commercially and historically.

Three of the most prominent men in boxing had New York City on their minds the morning the Twin Towers came down.

 

Middleweight champion Bernard Hopkins was in the city and desperately scrambling to find a way out.

 

Promoter Don King was in Ohio determined to get to New York. And Felix Trinidad felt like a prisoner in the city, unable to leave despite his fervent desire to head home to Puerto Rico.

 

The terrorist attacks sent them scrambling in different directions, their lives intertwined but their actions disparate.

 

Hopkins was 36 years old, and, despite holding at least one middleweight title belt continuously for more than six years, was still largely an unknown. He was perceived as a brooding ex-con, known as much for his feuds with promoters than for his marvelous boxing skills which, to that point, had carried him to 12 consecutive successful title defenses.

 

He was in New York because he'd reached the finals of the Middleweight Championship Series by routing Keith Holmes five months earlier. He was to meet Trinidad, the charismatic, power-punching Puerto Rican, on Sept. 15, 2001, at Madison Square Garden for the Sugar Ray Robinson Trophy and supremacy in boxing's deep 160-pound division.

 

This was, unquestionably, Trinidad's show. He was a 3-1 favorite and the darling of both King and New York's large Puerto Rican population. Trinidad, 28 at the time, was 40-0 with 33 knockouts and one of the top two or three attractions in the sport.

 

He was so gifted, and such a big ticket seller, that King would croon the old Manhattans' song, "Shining Star," to Trinidad at news conferences, to the delight of those who heard him.

 

Trinidad, who only two years earlier had scored the biggest victory of his career by outpointing Oscar De La Hoya in a welterweight title unification bout in Las Vegas, had reached the finals by blowing out William Joppy in his opening-round match.

 

Four days before the fight, both boxers were in New York, with numerous public appearances on their schedules to promote the bout.

 

Hopkins had completed a jog in Central Park and returned to his suite in the luxurious St. Regis Hotel. He was planning to take a shower and get on with his day.

 

The main television in his suite was tuned to a news channel and, as he walked past, Hopkins noticed a building on fire. It was a little after nine in the morning. He didn't pay it much mind, thinking, as he was nearly constantly, of the fight and how he would win it. He didn't stop to watch the television. His clothes were dank and uncomfortable. He wanted to get them off and get into a shower as soon as he could.

 

When he went into the bedroom and began to undress, another television was on.

 

Hopkins looked at the TV and saw a plane fly directly into one of the towers at the World Trade Center. The voices on the television began shrieking. There was a commotion in the other room. Hopkins was slated to go to a tiny gym near the World Trade Center to train later that day. He knew instantly that he wouldn't be training.

 

"You see that and you see that this is big, that it's very serious," Hopkins said. "Of course, you can't really think about boxing at a time like that. This was the fight that I had worked my whole life to get, and I knew

I'm tempted to get this show and I never order boxing events, normally. It's UFC the same night so theres some decision making to be made. I know Primetime repeat shows for awhile, will they replay all the fights or will that just be the live version only? If they replay every fight, I might just record UFC instead and catch a repeat of the boxing

Nah mate, I think it's fairly safe to say that they will be showing the whole card for the repeat showings. That's what Sky always do, and I'm sure that this card on PrimeTime will be no different, especially as the show is being billed as "Star Power", and a multi-site telecast, with the emphasis on Mayweather Vs Ortiz, of course, but it would be very silly of them to only show the Main Event for the repeat showings.

Floyd was complaining that they are spending to much time on Ortiz's past on Facebook yesterday and said 24/7 needs a new editior.

Floyd has always loved playing the poor kid with a tough childhood who fought his way out of it, so with the 24/7 background theme placing a lot of emphasis on Ortiz's very hard childhood, Mayweather can't really play that game now. The reality is, while it's true that he grew up witnessing some things which most people don't, he isn't from the background he says he is. Of course, I'm not saying that he grew up in a rich environment, but from an extremely early age, "Lil' Floyd" was groomed for pugilistic sucess, with Uncles Roger and Jeff pitching in and helping him whenever Floyd Sr. was absent for whatever reason.

A notoriously dysfunctional family whose struggles with eachother have become somewhat of local legend in the Michigan area, or as someone once put it ; "It's hard to find a Mayweather that likes another Mayweather." However, for years during Floyd's childhood, one thing that most of them could agree on and work together for, was building and nurturing Floyd Mayweather into a great fighter. From what I've gathered over the years, they done a great deal to keep him away from distractions, and done a great deal to insulate him from the kind of things that his friends and neighbours were doing or getting involved in.

Going back to the fight....from the reports I've heard and what I've seen, almost every single round of Floyd's famous padwork with Roger, is being implemented with Mayweather moving back constantly. Of course, most of his fights are fought this way, with him "on the back foot", but even by his standards, he has been doing an unusual amount of work whilst backing up, so that of course, says that he is anticipating Victor Ortiz to come out charging, and Floyd's plan will be to weather the storm, take advantage of the younger fighters defense, and butter him up for the rounds in which Mayweather rules, which is usually from the 6th onwards.

I've mentioned a few times before, that I believe Mayweather is starting to slow down, and that is something I stand by. Over the last couple of weeks I have been studying Floyd's performances from the time period of 2004 onwards, and I'm sure of it. This happens to everyone, of course, but Mayweather is doing himself no favours with his inactivity. I am very much a member of the Jimmy Jacobs school of thought when it comes to this subject. Whether you fight, or throw rocks at a telephone poll, you aren't going to be as good at it by doing it once a year, as you would be if you done it once a month. One thing I have always believed, is that everything in life is all about timing.

Inactivity can lead to bad results for any fighter, but for one that relies on defensive speed, reflexes and perhaps most crucially -foot speed and placement- by going into the ring in september for only the third time in TWO YEARS, with a bigger, younger and probably hungrier fighter, I can't help but think that we are heading for another "wrong place, wrong time" moment in boxing history.

Time will tell.

Great news about the first 3 episodes of 24/7 being on 5, hopefully it gets good ratings. I'm gonna end up grudgingly paying for this Floyd fight.

I've decided to get the PPV after my initial hesitation. Mayweather vs Ortiz aside, you also have upcoming star Saul Alvarez vs Alfonso Gomez, and Erik Morales vs Matthyse. So it's turned out to be a very good value for money show.

I will make my prediction for the main event a few days prior to the show, but as I've said before, I really believe that there is enough evidence to say that Mayweather is slowing down. As good as he looked in the Mosley fight from the third round on, he showed some serious danger signs regarding his reflexes and defence, and on top of that, his inactivity adds more fuel to that fire. No matter how good a fighter might be, history has shown us that under the right circumstances and timing, even the greatest fighters can come crashing down.

I still think that Floyd will find a way to win and come out on top as always, but I'm in no doubt whatsoever that the risk of loss for Floyd in this fight is greater than any he has been in for years.

Just checking in with a quick post to provide a link to yesterday's Mayweather Vs Ortiz 24/7 episode. For those who would rather watch on TV or don't wish to use the bandwith or whatever, then you can see the first three episodes of 24/7 on friday 16th september on Channel 5 off-shoot 5 USA, with the fourth and final episode being shown on Primetime the following night during the build up to the event.

So here's the link to the recent episode, knowing how quick HBO are in shutting them down, I thought I would post it while it was still up ;

24/7 Episode 2

A quick note on last night's show in Doncaster; I didn't plan on going, but after being given the night off from work, I went down to support a couple of old friends who were on the undercard, and made the trip with their families and had a great night. The Hall Vs Mcdonnell fight was quality and a great start to the British season. Jamie was the better fighter and showed true class, but Hall should still be proud of his showing, especially considering that he hasn't been a professional very long and turned over very late. Both fighters can come away with positive outlooks and I will look forward to seeing them both again.

Just a quick note on Nathan Cleverly....I've been keeping a close eye on him for a few years now and I think he can go as far as he likes, but I don't think that he will ever land a fight with Bernard Hopkins. The great Executioner seems like he can go on forever, but I don't think there is enough time for Cleverly to build himself into a position in which B-Hop would come knocking. Even without Hopkins, there are enough quality names in the Light-heavy division to bring out the quality in the Welshman and elevate him. As Mr Lawrence mentioned, physically he has a massive frame, and I'm sure that this might sound silly, but I think there is a realistic chance that he will at some point (probably late in his career) make a one-off challenge for and win a portion of the Heavyweight title. I'll go into more detail on that later as I'm off to bed right now after being out for most of the night! Zzzzz....

Good evening, chaps.

I've just been reading the pages in this thread which I've missed over the last week or so, good stuff as always.

Someone already posted a transcript of De La Hoya's recent interview regarding his drug and alcohol problems, but this week the Golden Boy also owned up to these ;

When these images first began to surface, DLH just said they were fakes, but this week he said during an interview "Yes, yes it was me, and I'm sick of lying and pretending". It has also emerged that Oscar paid the "female associate" (who took the photos) close to $20million to keep it quiet. The funny thing is, that almost all of the boxing world did not believe that they were real anyway, so with Oscar admitting it now out of the blue, he basically just wasted an incredible amount of money.

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I would also like to say a couple of things regarding Teddy Atlas. For me, he is far and away the biggest twat in boxing over the last year or so. I don't care how shit he thinks Pacquiao is, but I'm certain that his criticism of Manny is personal rather than professional, although I don't know what reasons it might be down to. I say this because he contradicts himself a lot with regards to Pacquiao and Mayweather. For example, he had nothing good to say about Mannys win over Cotto, and gave him no credit at all by saying that it was all about Cotto being finished rather than Manny being the better fighter. However, he showered Mayweather in praise after his win over Marquez.

If Atlas doesn't rate Pacquiao, then that's cool, but he destroys his own argument by the contradictions he makes, and even worse, this....

Atlas, doing as much as anyone to soil Pacquiao's reputation

If I was Manny Pacquiao, I would be suing Teddy Atlas for that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkX9eIuRwQk...feature=related

Demolition Ax, Smash and Crush Vs The Road Warriors and The Ultimate Warrior, Madison Square Garden, September 1990.

Look out for the Warrior absolutley mowing one of the ring crew guys over at 3:36

That's horrible. My step-dad is a fireman and in the 20+ years I've known him, he's never once spoken about any of the things he's had to deal with on the job. I remember one time when I was probably in my early to mid-teens, he came home and just looked a mess; about an hour later my Mum just asked us not to ask him what was wrong or what had happened. Even at my age now, I know I wouldn't ask him about some of the sights he sees. Aside from the bravery aspect of the job, it's inconceivable what firefighters have to deal with when they turn up to an incident.

 

You've got my complete respect for what you do, whether you have or haven't had to deal with the kind of situation in that video.

Thank you very much, mate.

Until I posted that link to the video, I have never mentioned what line of work I'm in, and to be honest, I would've still kept it undercover so to speak, but given the nature of the video, I had to provide a little more context as to why I was posting it, and not to be seen as a guy posting a shocking piece of content for the "shock value". Sadly, I've came across a few of those people (not on the UKFF, though).

I decided a couple of times that I wasn't going to post a link to it, but I changed my mind and realised that the other guys on here would understand and appreciate why I did post the link.

--ALSO -- I would just like to remind everyone who hasn't done this already, but if any of you guys or girls own a Chip-pan, then PLEASE, PLEASE do NOT use it ever again. Phone your local Fire Station, or area representative for the safety campaign, inform them that you still use your Chip-pan, and they will arrange for somebody to come out within a few days, take the Chip-pan off you and give you a brand new deep fat fryer instead for free. Chip pans are incredibly dangerous.

did anyone see the Joseph Agbeko/Abner Mares fight? i love me a little bit of controversy and this fight was littered with it. Mares continual low blows were just painful to watch, it was a good fight but the controversial nature of it kinda took away how good it was, the commentary team were livid. When Agbeko went down from a low blow in round 8 i honestly thought the ref. was going to take a point, when he scored it a knockdown my jaw dropped, unbelievable.

 

Props to Jim Gray for really getting in the refs. face afterwards and giving him a bit of a tonge lashing.

There has been an immediate rematch ordered by the IBF. But just to clarify, under IBF rules and sanctions, if ANY IBF regulated contests result in a situation or ending where either incompetence or corruption are clearly evident and effect the outcome of such fights, particularly 'World Title' fights as recognised by the IBF, then an immediate rematch is ordered, and this rematch has to take place up to 120 days after the original fight, which from today, sets a deadline of up to 14th December 2011.

(....or something like that, I'm fucking knackered.)

"I personally do hate him." An absolute immortal line.

ITV showing 2 blokes sign their names on a bit of paper live on TV. That just shows how important this fight was back then.

Absolutely. The whole thing was just enormous. Even going back to the Benn Vs Watson fight, it was only a Commonwealth title fight and Showtime sent their own production team over here to cover the fight, which would still be a massive deal now, even moreso then.

The rematch in 93 was still a great fight, but in my opinion, it lacked the venom that the first meeting had in abundance.

My dad and all of his brothers (who all five, except one, boxed both amatuer and professional ), saw Benn box live just after he turned pro (they saw him live in the ABA finals also), up here at the Leisure centre which I mentioned a few pages ago which was literally round the corner from my house, in 1987, something like his 10th pro outing and he took the guy out in the first, and from then on, we were a Nigel Benn supporting family as much as an SAFC supporting family. So we all lived that Benn V Eubank rivalry very closely, and intensely. Of course we were gutted when he lost. It's an incredible image in all of sport, the moment when Richard Steele steps in and stops the fight, and Benn, absolutley horrified that he had lost to THAT man, buried his face in Steele's chest and started to sob uncontrollably. I'll never forget it.

When children play with matches.

I have to say that this is one of the most hard-hitting, and emotional pieces of footage that I have ever seen. Contains very graphic images. I apoligise to anyone who has personal issues and experiences regarding this video.

This is what the instructors showed me and the rest of my group in the Fire Brigade academy, as part of the training.

I apoligise to anyone who may have personal issues connected to the content of this video. Whilst I don't think that any of the members here would do something so silly which lead to tragic events like that in the video, nor do I think there are any Pyromaniacs on here, I just think that when people see it, it definatley makes you think twice about certain precautions, and the more who get to see it then the better.

Once again, this is upsetting.

Edit -- Mistake, Sorry. ----

Another great documentary surrounding THAT rivalry. The image of Benn and Eubank glaring at eachother from across the ring before the first bell still gives me chills, and is one of those moments that was so influencial to me. It was my Jimmy Snuka moment.

Here are a few fights which I watched earlier today from my FOTY collection. I haven't watched them for a while but I highly recommend them, of course, as their "FOTY" status indicates ;

Danny "Little Red" Lopez Vs Mike Ayala - WBC Featherweight Championship, Fight of the year 1979.

Bobby Chacon Vs Cornelius Boza Edwards - WBC Super Featherweight Championship, Fight of the year 1983.

I couldn't find a link for the Lopez Vs Ayala fight, but if you have a good dig around, then it's well worth it. Both brilliant fights which I can't recommend highly enough.

I was in my local watching it, and Alan the landlord was never going to pay for SBO on rateable value, and he didn't have a bent box.

 

According to Google it appears it was on Sky Sports 1. http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=ch...er+sky+sports+1

It was pulled from SBO a few weeks or so beforehand, my mistake. Strange though, considering that the De La Hoya Vs Sturm fight was a Box-Office outing ;

Can't remember if the Hopkins fight after that was though. Ill have to dig my tape out.

Yeh it was on sky sports as far as i remember, i watched the replay on sky sports at 9 the next morning - they had the 24/7 on sky sports as well..

mayweather v gatti and holyfield v quawi was on espn today. Mayweather never looked better than in that fight in my opinion. That was the quickest i had seen him, he was fighting at 139lb though. Holyfield looked wicked as well - can't believe the fight was 25 years ago, i remember reading the review of that fight when i was younger

Yeah Mayweather looked sharp as a razor in the Gatti fight, but no disrespect to Gatti, Mayweather was always going to lay it on him big time in that fight, and as good as he was in that fight, I don't think it was his best performance, I don't like saying it, but it was more to do with who he was in with.

Mayweather's best performance, in my mind, is, the Diego Corralles destruction. Corralles was undefeated with a string of very impressive knockouts, was the much, much bigger man and a lightweight really (the fight was Super-Feather), with most people predicting that Mayweather would get tagged at some point and broken down. Well, he disected Corralles with a masterful performance and sent him to the canvas 5 times, and Chico hadn't even been down before that, I don't recall. Given the quality of opposition and background of the fight, then this is far and away Floyd's best performance yet. It's a once-in-a-lifetime performance, even for Mayweather.

I would say that it's the best performance that I've seen, from anyone, which has happened in my lifetime.

Only a little thing, but I could swear Mayweather vs De La Hoya was on Sky Sports.

It was SBO mate. I was in America at the time of the fight and watched it closed circuit, but it was SBO. Sky paid quite a large fee for the rights also.

EDIT- Yes, I've double checked, and they pulled it from SBO a few weeks beforehand.

Well it's official ; Mayweather Vs Ortiz will be broadcast by PrtimeTime, at a cast of

Cheers for that, not seen that one before. That youtube channel is quality for old British boxing stuff.

 

And yeah Benn vs Logan was a belter. Benn vs Lou Gent from 1993 was really good aswell, I'd recommend giving that a watch if you not seen it.

I enjoyed the Piper fight myself Mike aswel. On the subject of Benn, I remember the days when he tried to shed the Dark Destroyer moniker, trying such nicknames as Nigel "Rude Boy" Benn. Personally, I think the Dark Destroyer name was, and still is one of the best I've heard in a long time, so I'm glad he went back to it, apparently he hated it for years, and this was before the Mclellan fight, so it can't be blamed on that. Although, I never saw the Rude Boy tag lasting very long.

I'm gonna go into detail about my thoughts on those guys and that era in the morning, I've been wanting to do it for a while now but never got around to it. Watch this space.

Nah, it's nothing to do with Primetime, it's a Frank Warren channel. I presume it'll be used as an outlet for his PPV's now that Sky aren't intending to show any in the near future. Can't remember if it's been mentioned on here, but Mayweather v Ortiz will be on Primetime for