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    UKFF Questions Thread V2

    in UK Fan Forum

    Posted

    As this was only weeks before the WCW purchase, I would have thought Vince would have seen dropping Michaels as an obvious cost-cutting measure.

     

    I suppose a response depends on your line of thinking. There's the case that people have suggested that Michaels had some weird psychosexual hold over McMahon.

     

    I'd look at it rather that Vince didn't have to cut costs, and so was loyal to a man who "broke his back" for the company and, like Undertaker, was a mid-90s main-eventer that didn't flee to WCW, when there was plenty of opportunity to head there.

     

    This is the first i've heard of this. What was the whole story?

     

    Near enough what Dopper said.

     

    Michaels was scheduled to appear on TV during the night of the RAW/Nitro simulcast. Hunter, Taker and others were in Vince's office to watch the show on the screen when Shawn stumbled in, totally pilled up, drooling everywhere. Taker looked at Hunter and said "Can you believe this?". Hunter tried to get Shawn out of there but Vince saw him.and told Hunter to find him and tell him he was done. Shawn cut a promo on Hunter for not sticking up for him and didn't speak to him until a year later, when he had become religious and discussed things with Nash, who directed him to talk to Hunter and apologise.

    And they all lived happily ever after. The End.

    UKFF Questions Thread V2

    in UK Fan Forum

    Posted

    An odd one.

     

    how many covers, VHS and DVD, has kane been on for PPV'S,

     

    and if possible what events are they

    A quick glance shows these ones:

     

    No Way Out 1998

    Judgement Day 1998, 2000, 2007

    No Mercy 2002

    Unforgiven 2003, 2004

    One Night Stand 2008

    Does Royal Rumble 2001 count? He's on there with a load of others, but he's there.

    UKFF Questions Thread V2

    in UK Fan Forum

    Posted

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    Only heard one thing about her and that was Homicide calling her a "fucking cunt" in his In The Ring DVD.

     

    Any idea why he said that?

    Dana Dameson Officially Out of the Wrestling Business

     

    In a story that wasted no time hitting the infamous message boards, international superstar, The Notorious 187 Homicide, had an incident with indy diva/valet, Dana Dameson. I originally was not going to report this story, but since there are several versions out there already, here is what happened from an eye witness account.

     

    Dana Dameson, who is not liked by AWA Management, showed up at the AWA show this past Thursday night, on 12/23, around the 7th match at 11:00 PM. AWA Management has had problems with Dana Dameson in the past, and instead of banning her from shows after previous incidents, they allowed her to continue to attend the AWA shows as long as she paid for her ticket. Also at the AWA show in attendance, but not in a wrestling capacity, were Homicide and his student and fellow wrestler, Deranged.

     

    Homicide and Deranged have both had problems with Dana Dameson in the past. Dana and Deranged's heat has been well documented on various hotlines, as well as in Dana's live journal, where Dana has made racist comments about Deranged. From a somewhat inside look at the situation, it seems that Dana has been very mad and jealous that Deranged won't get involved with her romantically, after having relations earlier this year. Dana and Deranged had an incident at a past AWA show, on 7/16, when a girl who Dana assumed was sent by Deranged, attacked Dana outside the AWA arena after an AWA show. After getting hit in the head, Dana called the Union City Police, which caused numerous police officers to come to the AWA building, and bringing AWA unwanted attention. It should be noted that Mike Morgan, the AWA Promoter, had no knowledge of any of these incidents occurring beforehand, and it's a shame that these incidents seem to happen at AWA. Then again, AWA runs more shows than anyone else, increasing the probability of an incident happening there then any other show.

     

    Dana also created problems between herself and Homicide, when it was made public that Dana Dameson said "Valentina had sex with her trainer." This comment, which was not a fact, and simply Dana talking ignorantly, affected Homicide's personal life. Dana did not realize that when she made this comment that it was going to affect Homicide, as Dana was trying to insult Valentina. Why Dana was trying to insult Valentina when Dana has never met Valentina is beyond me. No one knows why Dana decided to make that comment, except that it was just another way for Dana to get cheap internet heat.

     

    Dana has also made several racist comments on hotlines and in her live journal, using the words "nigger" and "spic" frequently. She has since edited her live journal to take some of the racial slurs out. Dana claims she made all the comments in gimmick, but they were never done in a "Skinhead Ivan", "Bison Bravado" or "Rockin' Rebel" way. Dana pretty much lived the gimmick and many believe she's a racist. To compare, Skinhead Ivan, who does a white supremacist gimmick, doesn't have a live journal full of racial slurs like Dana does. Neither does Bison Bravado, who does a toned down racist gimmick in AWA, as well as Rockin Rebel who does a Confederate gimmick. Only Dana Dameson has filled her live journal and public website with racial slurs. That didn't sit well with Homicide nor Deranged, as well as alot of other people, who read Dana's writings. Dana's writings even got so bad here on the DOI, that we even had to stop putting up her columns, and that says alot, because the DOI is known to put up anything on the site, including Eric Simms columns!

     

    This brings us to Thursday night. Dana Dameson walked into the AWA building, and walked right into the locker room, where Dana is not an invited guest. Look at it this way, if AWA makes Dana pay for every show she goes to, why would they want her in their locker room, especially after bringing cops to the building in the past? Once entering the locker room, Homicide saw Dana, and told Dana, "We need to talk." Dana immediately overreacted and shreiked. Dana went to run away from Homicide, instead of talking her problems out with him. Homicide, who has been insulted as a Puerto Rican from Dana's comments, as well as having his personal life affected because of Dana's comments, went to talk to Dana. Dana tried running out of the locker room and running out of the building, but as she ran, Dana had her jacket ripped accidentally by Homicide. Dana then raced down the stairs, while several people tried calming Homicide down, and trying to prevent Homicide from actually committing a homicide. Dana ran into her car, and out of fear, she sped off, but not before hitting a car and driving off. For someone who has called the cops numerous times, you think Dana wouldn't commit a hit and run offense in front of so many witnessess.

     

    The incident, which was greatly exaggerated by people who didn't see it, was merely a grab at the jacket. Dana wasn't bleeding nor physically hurt at all. But a message was sent. 20 minutes after the incident between Homicide/Dana, 5 cops in 3 police cars came to the building. 2 of the cops were plain clothed. The cops were looking for Homicide, but Homicide already left the building to cool off. Mike Morgan also asked Homicide to leave in case anything happened, which was smart, considering Dana's hypocritical history. The cops, knowing Homicide wasn't there, decided to hit the streets and find him, but instead found Deranged. Dana who has had problems with Deranged in the past, gave the cops Deranged's name, as well as his real name. Deranged was arrested and taken to the Union City Police Department building, where Dana confirmed that he was involved in hitting her, which was a flat out lie. Seeing the incident go down, Dana Dameson was not touched by Deranged at all, and this was a way of Dana trying to extract revenge on Deranged for Deranged not wanting to have sex with her. It should be mentioned that Dana Dameson claims she has a boyfriend, which lets you know what character Dana possesses.

     

    The cops, knowing that Deranged didn't do anything wrong, let Deranged go and told him he would be getting a court date soon. Knowing the situation and the people who witnessed it, nothing will happen to Deranged because he didn't do anything at all, except for having Dana desire his loins. Homicide has not been charged with anything, and most likely won't face any legal action. Remember that the whole incident occurred because Dana trespassed by going into the locker room. She also harrassed Deranged several times and has made many racist comments, then ventured into a heavily Puerto Rican populated area.

     

    It is hard for anyone to defend Dana Dameson in this situation because she brought it upon herself. The thing that makes it even worse is that Dana called the cops, bringing the cops to the AWA arena for the second time this year. AWA puts on good quality shows and is a great place for kids to go to stay off the street. It's a fun environment, and anyone can have a good time from fans to wrestlers, to the young to the old. Don't let this incident make you think of the AWA any less, as the only incidents to occur at AWA is whenever Dana Dameson is involved. Dana is now officially banned from AWA which means there will be no more incidents at AWA shows. If you haven't checked out an AWA show, check one out when you get a chance. For more info on the next AWA show, keep checking the DOI, or at the AWA website at http://www.awanj1.com

     

    Reactions to this incident have been the same throughout the indy scene.

     

    JAPW Booker, Ray Sager, told the DOI that Dana Dameson will not be welcome at future JAPW shows as a fan or as a performer.

     

    Frank Goodman, of USA Pro/UXW, who is the only promotion to have booked Dana Dameson recently, told the DOI that Dana will never be used again. Frank said "Dana was nothing but a disturbance from day one. The first day Dana got into the wrestling business at a USA pro show, she was giving sexual favors to Billy Reil, and wound up breaking up Billy Reil and Becky Bayless because of her whorish actions. Her actions are disgusting. She also gave away USA Pro storylines to Carmine Sabia, and tried making Carmine tell me what to do." Kathleen Goodman, Frank's wife, added, "She even made our son's nose bleed!"

     

    Homicide on the incident, said, "Thank god the bitch is gone. She was nothing but a problem for wrestling."

     

    Several wrestlers have expressed their disgust and hatred for Dana Dameson. While some are friends of Homicide, the general feeling is that Dana crossed the line by calling the police, not only once, but twice. This brings unwanted attention and undeserved problems for Mike Morgan and the AWA. Dana was not well liked to begin with, but this last incident, should be the last time Dana Dameson and wrestling are in the same sentence.

     

    Personally seeing this all go down, I think Dana is an idiot. By being white, the racist comments don't affect me, as much as it would if I was a different skin color, but it's ridiculous that Dana says the stuff and then doesn't realize there are consequences for saying it. I can watch Skinhead Ivan or Bison Bravado and be entertained with their jokes and crude humor, but when Dana did it, you can see she was serious. She didn't even want to go to USA Pro shows in Jamaica, saying there were too many blacks and latino's there. She definitely needs counseling in my opinion to get over her fear of people who aren't white.

     

    The one thing that really irks me the most, which alot of people agreed with me on, is that calling the cops is a big no-no. That is just wrong and flat out irresponsible by Dana. Dana committed career suicide with that move. How can any promoter even consider booking her, knowing if something goes wrong, she'll have the cops the show? To make matters worse her boyfriend, who she cheats on by getting into various one night stands with wrestlers, is a cop as well, which makes the likelihood of her calling the police again very high.

     

    When I talked to Dana after the incident, she expressed no interest in returning to wrestling. She was also happy that Deranged was arrested, which is really just an example of her "deranged" mind set.

     

    I did think Dana had potential at one point in her career. At one time she was working for ROH, JAPW, SSCW, JCW and USA PW. The biggest problem for her was that she was never trained nor showed any real interest in getting trained like the other girls out there today. She even had a problem when she tried training with Richie Rotten in his BWO group. After her problem there, she never tried training again, and just managed with no training. Although she attended alot of shows, she never took the wrestling business seriously, nor ever looked at the long term with her actions. Her career was plagued with unprofessionalism, and not too many of her peers respected her.

     

    Like someone told me off the record, "The wrestling business is not for everyone, and certainly not for Dana Dameson. By having Dana Dameson out of the business, it shows that the wrestling business has life to do positive things again."

     

    The Career of Dana Dameson 2003-2004. RIP.

     

    Sean "The MiC" MCCaffrey

    BULLSMC@aol.com"

    UKFF Questions Thread V2

    in UK Fan Forum

    Posted

    not sure if anyones gonna know the answer to this but..

     

    back in the 1990's crush feuded with doink and during the feud randy savage got involved after seeing how doink was cheating (the 2 doinks etc) and promised to sort him out the following week on wwf superstars. does anyone know what actually happened on that show? what the suprise was that savage had for him?

    Could be wrong, but wasn't it a midget Randy Savage that distracted Doink?

    WCW hilarity - what were they thinking?

    in UKFF Gold

    Posted · Edited by Ian_hitmanhart

    2 years later ...

     

    I've just seen a youtube clip which reminded me of this old topic, so I thought I would bump it by adding the link:

     

    Goldberg "changes the script"

     

    This is the the last 10 minutes of an infamous match.

    In the semi-main event of a live ppv (a 3 way between Kevin Nash, Goldberg, and Scott Steiner), pay particular attention from the 3 minute point onwards.

    Nash is about to hit Goldberg with a powerbomb when Goldberg pushes Nash away, stops selling altogether, and walks back to the locker room.

    Then the commentators spend the rest of the match pondering out loud "what are they going to do now? Improvise?!?" and when Steiner gets powerbombed to finish the match the commentators put over the heel Scott Steiner by saying how professional he was to allow Nash to powerbomb him.

     

    Seriously, where the hell were they going to go with this storyline?

    The funniest line of that whole feud was a sitdown interview with Goldberg in a coffee shop, where he came out with this glorious line: "Nash the only way you will beat me this Sunday is if you put your own ass on the booking committee".

     

    EDIT:

    Credit DDTdigest.com

    WCW Thunder - Thursday, July 26, 2000:

    Scott Hudson interview with Goldberg

    About Scott Hall sacrificing for Goldberg's career, Goldberg says they were trying to bait him for the future.

    Bill calls it ulterior motives.

    Goldberg says Hall has no appreciation for the fans.

    Goldberg says that Hall is a jerk inside the ring and a jerk outside the ring.

    Bill says he doesn't like to be a heel and whether it was a good idea or not, he doesn't know.

    Bill says that he never aspired to be a professional wrestler.

    BIll says that he ended up turning into a fan of pro wrestling.

    Goldberg says that he makes a difference here and didn't make one in the NFL.

    Bill says that Kevin's right when he says he doesn't live and breathe this sport because he doesn't like a lot of people in the business.

    But he loves to be able to go to see children who are four days away from dying and see a smile on their face. That is his way to pay his dues, not get $20 for making an indy appearance.

    Bill flat out tells Nash to kiss his ass and says that jealousy is a bitch.

    Bill calls him a joke.

    Bill says that when he was in the NFL, Nash was in Europe holding hands with basketball players.

    Bill: "Two weeks after you put your ass on the booking committee, you're the only one who beat me."

    Goldberg says that he wants the belt on his waist but he wants him to pay for hurting his reputation.

    Bill asks if a promoter is concerned if a main eventer has paid his bills.

    A promoter thinks who can draw money and not who has paid his dues.

    Goldberg brings up the 42,000 people at the Georgia Dome for Goldberg vs. Hogan.

    Goldberg brings up Flair and Anderson, saying they made WCW.

    Goldberg tells Nash the only way he's going to win the match is to put himself on the booking committee before New Blood Rising.

    Goldberg says that Nash is going to get his ass kicked and he can't even run away on those bad knees of his.

    Goldberg reminds him to have a lot of Advil by his bed as we go to commercial.

    Great Wrestling Promo Transcripts

    in UKFF Gold

    Posted

    Seeing it in written form doesn't do it justice, but here is a transcript of the chapter of The Self Destruction of The Ultimate Warrior dvd which covers his unusual interviews ...

     

    Warrior:

    "I was sent in a capsule from a place far from here, and I came here for one reason.

    To attack and keep comin

    UKFF Questions Thread V2

    in UK Fan Forum

    Posted

    I have a question regarding a match between Randy Savage and Rick Steiner match I just watched on YouTube from a New Japan show. It's quite funny and I never knew it existed until about 20 minutes ago.

     

    How does the popularity compare between Savage and Rick Steiner in Japan. Rick Steiner gets a ridicious reaction for the pops he was getting at the time in WCW and he goes over.

     

    Here's the match by the way.

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z5F736zh_k&...feature=related

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-_PBVnbcJOk&...feature=related

    UKFF Questions Thread V2

    in UK Fan Forum

    Posted

    and, why did the WWF downgrade "In Your House" to a tagline for the rest of their PPVs that had IYH in the title after IYH 16:Canadian Stampede?

    Branding no doubt. If you think, we'd be up to about IYH 2349 or something by now. Doesn't look good on the poster.

    UKFF Questions Thread V2

    in UK Fan Forum

    Posted

    Since TNA currently owns the rights to World Wrestling Allstars,

     

    what are the chances of TNA realeasing a dvd on it like WWE did with AWA WCCW and ECW?

     

    Or is this more of an opinion based question than a fact based one?

    The DVD run-down would be like this:

    -WWA ran a few entertaining tours with Bret Hart advertised on the posters as a wrestler (well a picture of Bret Hart in wrestling gear with the World title).

    -Billed Nathan Jones as from the town they were running at the time for a cheap pop.

    -

    UKFF Questions Thread V2

    in UK Fan Forum

    Posted

    Horses for courses, but I really thought the post match shenanigans added to it. The bank note especially was quite insulting.

     

    The fact Taker always picked the opponent up and carried them to the back whilst in the bodybag really added to his character, I thought.

     

    Oh, and to revisit my original post - does anyone remember when Taker dropped the body bag gimmick? I've got a feeling it was probably around about the time he was feuding with Warrior but I can't remember.

    Was it not when he turned face over the Elizabeth dealy?

     

    That would probably make sense, although it might have been a bit earlier. He'd had some bodybag matches with Warrior over the summer (when he and Jake were buddies) and then went into the programme with Hogan. He might still have been doing it jobbers, but I don't think he ever did it with Hogan himself. After he turned, I'm pretty sure he didn't do it jobbers at all and only had one or two bodybag matches (if that) before the casket gimmick became his deal.

     

     

    I'm sure i remember him doing in when i first started watching which was Dec 93.

     

    Obviously though he buggered off for 6 months after the 94 rumble so was possibly doing it late 94/early 95. Although having said all that he might not of done it after every match but just on special occasions.

    I remember a Purple-suited Undertaker bodybagging opponents in 95, so your right. The was a period where he'd bring a coffin to the ring every match in the leadup to the Yokozuna match, so a bodybag as well would be a bit OTT.

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