GeronimoJacksBeard
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I thought Patterson was responsible for that one too?
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Triple H went through a phase of using 'industry' during his clean shaven colourful trunks phase, i'm sure.
What he really overuses though is - "Here's the thing..." Doesn't annoy me, but i've always found it a bit of an odd turn of phrase. He loves it.
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What examples are there of wrestlers coming up with stuff for other wrestlers - gimmicks, looks, moves, angles, matches, finishes?
I've got:
Pat Patterson with the Royal Rumble concept
Scott Hall with the Sting 'Crow' look + transformation
Hawk with Heel Doink for Matt Borne
DDP suggesting Scott Hall shave the mo and grow out some stubble as the Diamond Studd
Bruce Hart with the Hart Brothers feud, only for Bret to suggest Owen in the spot rather than Bruce
Sure there was urban legend that Bret Hart got the sharpshooter from Konnan, not sure that's true mind
Similarly Michael Hayes coming up with the Stunner for Stone Cold
Bret Hart needing a neat pinning finish for a match and Chris Jericho suggesting and showing him the La Magistral Cradle
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6 hours ago, King Pitcos said:
Some extra footage of Undertaker doing cryotherapy, and referencing his hatred of cucumbers!!
😆 Amazing!
Probably going to say this after every episode, but fucking hell it's fascinating seeing this far back behind the curtain with him. He came across really well in this one too, couple of moments where it seems he actually might be a bit of a laugh at times. The Cena match stuff though, the view John gave and 'Taker wanting to have a long epic. Undertaker is almost a victim of his own streak of blinders he had at WrestleMania there for a bit. Stole the show for a good few years with 'epics' and now just needs to cure that NXT like itch to have that each time. When really, he should actually take much of his own advice, of less is more, like he talks about in the Broken Skull sessions on his early WWF career. He wanted to be knocking out 5 star wrestling classics then too, but says he had to fight his own ego to resist the urge to try and have that for the sake of getting the character over. It totally applies now, he wants to give the fans that and what he believes he can still give, but really it's more about scratching his own itch. Cena (and Show) is right, we don't care about him having that particular spot anymore and literally everyone thought it was one match too many after Roman, people just want to see him and see him do Undertakery things. But seemingly, Mark Calaway won't be happy with that.
"We don't sell time, we sell entertainment" - that's a WrestleMania tagline right there. Actually, that should be written somewhere so it's the last thing talent see in gorilla before they go out.
What makes all that and the current Covid situation all the more fascinating - it was interesting seeing him mention AJ and wanted to work him. After wanting a match more like his HBK matches with Cena, then having the Saudi stinkers, it feels likely that he requested working AJ to have that match. Even compares him to Shawn. To possibly have that be his last match, going out on a match he'd feel happy gong out on. Which may be how this documentary would have wrapped up. Yet, Covid-19 happens, robs him of that match and we get the Boner match instead. And in the process potentially stumbled on a way to keep him going and having him pop up at WrestleMania for some time yet.
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2 hours ago, Devon Malcolm said:
Even though Neville Southall proved it to be complete bullshit?
Neville Southall only proved it to be complete bullshit if you're of the belief that Al Snow has ever had a good match.
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They've surely got an easy get out/explanation for that angle to go ahead with how the Becky/Asuka stuff was handled. Becky specifically said the match was actually for the title, rather than a MITB contract. So there's only one MITB contract to begin with, contested for in a match featuring both men and women. More than enough loopholes there to bullshit such an angle.
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7 minutes ago, IANdrewDiceClay said:
Lex Luger in 1993, maybe.
You're a decade out there, surely.
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1 hour ago, King Pitcos said:
I had to tap out after a few minutes because of the y’knows
He wants people to tell him when it’s time to pack it in, but he’s too respected for anyone to do that.
After seeing him casually chatting to Roman and dropping a few y'knows, i wonder if nobody brings that to his attention for the same reason. Also, i wonder if he watches his interviews back and cringes in the same manner as he was watching the Roman match back when he realises just how frequently he does it.
This shit is going to be fascinating. Sorta gold the network exists for. So glad WWE just film bloody everything so stuff like this is possible. Catching moments like that bit with Triple H in gorilla at WrestleMania 31. Incredible.
Contradictory existence is bang on. He's stuck in a total loop now. You really, really got the impression from that, that everyone there felt it was time, but wouldn't dare tell him as such. Austin knows.
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14 minutes ago, tiger_rick said:
The IC title is definitely beneath former WWF Hardcore Champion The Undertaker.
😐 More just feeling like an odd, uncomfortable fit. But all the same - hence shouldn't annoy, yet does.
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Was thinking of this the other day and discussion in the random thoughts thread reminded me of a few. What are those occurrences in wrestling that annoy you more than they should or that really probably shouldn't annoy you at all.
It was changing of gear in the random thoughts thread that got me thinking of examples such as - Kurt Angle switching to wearing almost all black singlets. Just never sat right with me. The Rock used to wear those backless boots with his calf exposed. Those were his thing. Then one week he's suddenly got normal full boots on and i was bloody fuming, i tell you. Steve Austin went through a phase of having his knee braces fancy colours. What was that about!? Similarly, Randy Orton decided to stop wearing wrist tape for a bit and he looked naked, proper got on my wick. When two guys regularly wear different colours, but manage to wear the same colours when wrestling each other. Boils my piss!
People like Big Show or Undertaker winning or even challenging for the Intercontinental title. No.
I have a completely irrational dislike for those that have a physique best described as 'lanky streak of piss' in general. That very much bleeds over into wrestling as just think they seem so utterly unimposing. Skinny, lanky bastards in wrestling - Grinds my fucking gears!
So c'mon, what are just some really menial, petty, pointless things in wrestling that shouldn't bother you, yet irk you something chronic.
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Interesting topic really that - whether/how frequent guys should change up or update their look and to what extent. Who should and who shouldn't. Fans seem to cry for it a lot, but also often have a moan when a classic look is changed or not reverted back to, which is just classic fickle wrestling fans really. I think often too drastic a change in look is called for. Unless there'd been a significant change in character or on air role, card position or similar then the likes of Roman Reigns or John Cena suddenly switching to trunks now would be too jarring. After a certain point, unless there's some other big change happening that a new look helps signify you can only really make smaller, subtle changes over time. A wrestler reaches a certain status and becomes associated with that look. It's why changing up the outfit of Superman or Spiderman too drastically never goes down too well.
Undertaker has managed it to good effect over the years, although he often got away with it because he'd be away for months and almost having a rebirth when he returned and his character taking a slightly different direction. Hogan started wearing black before the heel turn and it was weird. When it accompanied the heel turn and becoming 'Hollywood' it was perfect. Triple H switching to trunks combined with an enhanced physique to accompany his move up the card worked. But if Bret Hart changed from anything but a singlet and pink and black it wouldn't be right at all. Same with Austin and anything but black trunks and leather waistcoat or jeans and t shirt or waistcoat. To me, it never felt right when Kurt Angle started wearing black. Mr Perfect the same. I think Kane eventually suffered from changing his look too many times. Everyone moans about Tazz switching to his binman outfit. And there's an iconic look like Jushin Liger, which as far as appearance goes won't suffer from the actual person ageing.
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I gave Adam Cole a few bumps of mdma because he looked bored out of his mind. He was unbelievably grateful, i instantly became his best friend for the night and he didn't stop thanking me. Had me take his email details down on my phone so i could keep in touch and if i ever needed anything from him. Insisted on me carrying on the night with him and Roderick Strong in their hotel room (no homo). Which consisted of such wild adventures as them recording voice notes going over their match that night, that being mostly of them banging on about the amazing reaction they got and slating one of the other participants in the match for not really being able to keep up. And then them facetiming whichever one it is is Roderick Strongs girlfriend and Ronda Rousey to say all the same things they'd just said in their voice notes. Shortly after this i opted to leave. Roderick Strong is as unlikable as you'd imagine him to be.
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9 hours ago, Fox Piss said:
Take my money Herb! I'd be all over that!
That was a joyous episode. Understandably, a lot of the episodes are pretty grim with the subject matter. I was grinning like a dickhead through much of that one though. Just a real sense that everyone involved there really loved Herb regardless, whatever had happened. Knew very little of the UWF story going in, now i'm devastated it wasn't a tremendous success. I was going to say this sort of thing could only happen in the mad world of wrestling, until i realised UWF is actually almost like the Fyre Festival of pro-wrestling.
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Ah...ah nuts! 😐
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2 hours ago, Chris B said:
The weird thing about 'protecting the business' is how stupid it is, especially in hindsight. It's one thing to keep the secrets of how you do it, but the way they tried to make out that 'oh no, what we do is REAL' is such a strange, bullshit call looking back.
My point here is that 'protecting the business' becoming somehow about desperately pretending it was real wasn't really about protecting the business. It was about the weird, fragile masculinity of the guys doing it, who seemed to be desperate to believe that what they were doing wasn't as silly as it actually was.
It's always been about suspending disbelief, not actually believing. Looking back at so much of this, especially in the Vice series, just makes it look like such a weird, pathetic approach.
The second paragraph - it certainly evolved into that over time and that behaviour still certainly exists in some places, in some forms even today.
The origin of that behaviour surely comes from it starting out as a con, working 'marks' out of money. In that regard, it literally was a case of protecting their 'business' and the first sentence of that last paragraph not entirely accurate.
Those videos are great by the way.
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2 hours ago, Carbomb said:
Yeah, Piper always at worst looked like a tough bloke. At WM1 he looked solid and lean, if not ripped. And he was clearly a big guy - but stick him in the ring with Hogan and Orndorff, and he was always going to come off worse in the comparison. Mr. T was probably closer to his size, but having a darker skin tone added to the visual effect of looking bigger/more ripped.
I'd be surprised if anyone saw Piper for the first time at WM8 and thought he looked scrawny, though. Not just because he was in the ring with Bret, but also because it was probably the most jacked he'd ever been.
Being pedantic here, no doubt. These are not one and the same. If there's any point Piper would have been more considered jacked, it's WrestleMania I. He was far from it at WrestleMania VIII. Come King of the Ring '93 he was more ripped.
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Where can i watch all of Lucha Underground? The whole lot is listed on Amazon Prime, yet frustratingly unable to view for some reason.
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WWE should have used our Trev as Prince Puma rather than as Ricochet.
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14 hours ago, Snitsky's back acne said:
Yeah this is brilliant. I watched the whole thing and thought 'Its guys being allowed to say what they want. Its not perfect but its real, theres genuine emotion there....and look how cool it looked..
Agree, but it's just a different time and a different environment now. Stuff like this in the '90s was a perfect storm of everything that had come before it. That video even showed part of the reason you don't get this kind of stuff happen these days, there was no twitter back then for these guys to air their dirty laundry and expose themselves as twats.
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'The risk' is referring to Covid, right?
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Starting this moment, from now, from this moment on this will be the moment, starting now of the genesis of Curtis Axel.
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25 minutes ago, Egg Shen said:
I also love kayfabe'd stories (Schultz dropped one himself in the show) about wrestlers claiming they didnt know it was a work until they were 'smartened up' half way through a training camp, how is that even possible😄
I can believe that to some extent back then. Schultz version likely exaggerated, but starting out shoot wrestling and weeding those out not cut out for the physicality of it all isn't particularly unusual, so as not to expose the business to some who wouldn't become a part of it. Wrestlers were expected to be able to legit handle themselves on some level back then too, again for the sake of 'protecting the business'.
Loved this episode. Really enjoyed everything i'd seen of Dr D previously, was dubious when this episode was announced that there'd really be much of a story for a full episode, but i could happily watch a series just following Old Man Schultz around listening to his stories.
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There's a few examples from the early 2000s like The Rock - Flair example that did actually occur once or twice but weren't PPV or just generally fall under the radar such was the insane roster of those times. Rock also had one-offs against Eddie, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, Jeff Hardy, RVD.
On the subject of Scott Steiner, wonder how different that WWE run might have been had he been on Smacky D instead and in the mix with Brock, Angle, Benoit, etc.
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The WrestleMania Firefly Funhouse left me just wanting to watch alternate universe WWE. If such a thing existed i'd have spent most of this lockdown binging on Johnny Largemeat and MuscleMan Bray Wyatt SNME promos and nWo Cena.
There's so many fascinating 'what ifs' in wrestling - 'If you could take a Funhouse trip to experience another alternate timeline, what would be the scenario and how do you think it would affect the future scope of pro-wrestling?
Vice: Dark Side of the Ring
in UK Fan Forum
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Indeed.
That warped way of thinking from that moronic post earlier in the thread i just can't get my head around. How anyone can look at Martha - not backing down and fighting a big company all the way to get some measure of justice for Owen, all the while bringing up two kids on her own to be seemingly well rounded people, going into and making success of careers and living their lives away from wrestling and then look at Benoits kid, his situation and mindset now. How anyone can look at both set of circumstances, condemn the former and feel good about the latter because David Benoit is still completely attached to and obsessed with wrestling. What in the fuck.
The kids were 7 and 3 at the time. Man. I was unaware of that until i watched this. All the respect in the world to Martha for how she handled things, frankly.