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.......if he wasn't so loyal to Big Japan, he'd be in New Japan already.

Not sure how much loyalty has to do with it tbh (though it might do) - but New Japan rarely lifts wrestlers from the indies (Kota Ibushi being a notable exception) even if they're good.

Sekimoto also gets to be THE guy in Big Japan whereas he'd be a much smaller fish in NJPW.

Why exactly did Flair-Hogan not work in 92 then? On paper it was the biggest match of the era with both still pretty much in their prime.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/750462-...ever-was-part-1

Probably the biggest reason was that the majority of the WWF's fanbase at the time were kids who weren't very familiar with Flair and his accomplishments anyway and wouldn't have grasped the significance of the feud. They were expecting Hogan to do his usual thing at WM8 (Hulk up and go over the heel opponent). McMahon made a wide decision in my view with the double main event, having Savage vs Flair (which was a much better technical bout than Hogan VS Flair would have been) and as well as your typical Hogan-style match to send the fans home happy.

DDT is an indie fed and yes some of their wrestlers work in their bar and restaurant as well.

Zero-One is no longer a major league promotion (hasn't been since around 2006). The run half a dozen shows a month at most.

New Japan is by far the most successful at the moment. NOAH and All Japan were traditionally considered the other two major leagues but as pointed out have been in poor financial shape for a long time now (particularly All Japan). I still don't think any of their wrestlers are working second jobs though - they both run a lot of shows and many of their guys work indie dates as well when not on tour.

It's debatable whether Dragon Gate should be considered major league since it was historically an indie fed, but it's got a huge following (particularly in Western Japan) and runs so many shows in smaller affordable venues that they seem to be able to make a good enough profit to give their wrestlers a full time living.

The other possible one is Wrestle-1. I doubt all of their guys are making a full time living but I think a lot of them would be working indie dates on the side.

Didn't think this was worthy of a thread - how much do British wrestlers get paid in comparison to US and Japaneese wrestlers?

Few British wrestlers who live here make a full-time living from the profession. In Japan there are four or five big league companies with around 30 wrestlers each that all make a full time living, but most wouldn't be paid that well. In the US generally only WWE and big name TNA wrestlers make a decent guaranteed salary; though there are probably a lot more indie wrestlers there who are able to get enough work to not have to do any other job (since there are so many more indie feds there than here).

From what I can gather the Ultimate Warrior only ever wrestled two matches in the UK. The Summerslam 92 one of course along with this one in 91:

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WWF @ London, England - Wembley Arena - May 2, 1991 (11,000)

The Ultimate Warrior defeated the Undertaker via disqualification

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Anyone know of any I've missed?

The UK obviously only has indies at the moment, but which promotions do people generally consider to be the 'hottest' of these? Seems PCW, ICW, PROGRESS and RPW get the most wrestling media coverage, but ASW and LDN run by far the most shows (perhaps irrelevant though if these are all aimed at the 'family night out' market in each of towns they run).

Scratch that, it actually looks like Welsh Wrestling may be running the most shows at present.

Sorry 'hottest' was probably the wrong word to use actually - I'm thinking more in terms of which promotion is the biggest in terms of annual attendance/revenue. I doubt it's any of the PCW/ICW/PROGRESS-type niche but ultra loyal fanbase promotions given that they run so few shows.......

The UK obviously only has indies at the moment, but which promotions do people generally consider to be the 'hottest' of these? Seems PCW, ICW, PROGRESS and RPW get the most wrestling media coverage, but ASW and LDN run by far the most shows (perhaps irrelevant though if these are all aimed at the 'family night out' market in each of towns they run).

I think his use of the word 'parasites' here is pretty disgraceful actually. Seriously, how dare he use that word to describe wrestling journalists of any kind - those responsible for feeding and sustaining fan interest in the industry he makes a living from.

I also did not enjoy that pizza guy story - felt really sorry for the bloke in question actually. I wasn't there obviously but maybe the guy just didn't realise and would have apologised sincerely had it been pointed out to him in a normal, mature way (as would probably be the case at pretty much ANY other adult workplace)? Is that seriously how wrestlers get on in the locker room in 2014?

Getting a bit fed up with the bitter tone of some of Magnus' articles recently - don't really fit the positive vibe of the mag as a whole.

Great article from Lister (would expect nothing less!) on UW though.

Why did it used to be WWE(F) policy to ignore the existence of any former superstar that had left the company? And when exactly did this policy come to an end?

Why do a number of WWE superstars today have extremely bushy beards? Any particular reason? Don't really follow the current product much and it's a serious question.

Cool artwork!

 

not only did Ultimate Warrior have the best wrestling look ever, he also had the best wrestling name!!

 

The Warrior also had probably the most impressive record too.

 

Maybe a more historic guy would fill in the blanks but apart from the odd Andre loss in Italy 88, Rick Rude loss at Wrestlemania 5 & Slaughter at Royal Rumble 1991 did he lose any other bouts?

 

I recall a old Superheroes in Action video tape showed Warrior losing to Randy Savage I think at Boston due to interference by Rick Rude but outside Royal Rumble matches im finding it hard pressed to find anything from his first WWE run where he lost.

His only ever documented CLEAN loss in WWF was the Andre one in April 88 (there's even a Youtube vid from an Italian TV broadcast to prove it). Some say it wasn't planned and was due to Andre getting annoyed with him for some reason.

The pinfall loss to Rick Rude on 28th December 1987 at the Richfield Coliseum may not have been clean - and unless someone who was there comes forward to confirm either way we may never know.

No other WWE superstar past or present even comes close to matching this record.

SummerSlam 88 had an 15 certificate. Was this solely down to Elizabeth dropping her skirt? Carry on Camping was a PG, surely they werent handing out the big red 15 classification for that.

That was for the big red X when Beefer bladed after Bass cut him with his spur.

The "X" didn't hide anything as well. You can still see Bass cutting him all up. Really brutal angle really. Kind of forgotten about.

I remember this Summerslam VHS being impossible to find in 1991 (at least where I was in Belfast). It led to a lot of speculation about what the 15 sticker was for - my older brother told me it was because Bad News Brown's pet monkey bites Brutus Beefcake's face off in it. Even the thought was traumatizing for 7-year old me.

This made me smile (bottom right):

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Does anyone else feel that this has affected them in a much deeper way than any other wrestler/celebrity death to date?

Feel a bit silly in a way at 29 years old getting this upset about the passing someone I never knew or even met. I wish I wasn't, I really do, because it's so depressing. Absolutely devastated.

Rest In Peace Warrior.

BTW, you might find the following page helpful this has affected you in a similar way: http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/...celebrity-grief

That Warrior article was a fascinating read - some real eyebrow-raising stuff in there that I'd never read before. I won't post any spoilers but recommend checking it out.

Does anyone know of any footage available online of evil Doink tripping the Bossman with a wire in late 1992 (think it was on Superstars or Challenge)? I recall thinking it was hilarious as he really went flying.

Thanks guys - I didn't know about that match and it was fun to watch. I had assumed his last gig must have been some obscure Raw match just before the Montreal Screwjob.

What was the last match Vince McMahon ever announced?

Why did Otto Wanz's CWA fold in 1999?

Who do you think was more over in the WWF. Old Hacksaw Jim Duggan or the Big Boss Man?

Both team captains at Survivor Series 88....... I'd say this was probably when they were both at their peak in terms of push/popularity. It's hard to compare heels and babyfaces from that era in terms of who was more over. Do you define having a huge amount of heel heat as being over? In that case I'd say the Bossman had a slight edge.

I liked the Mick McManus and G1 Climax pieces as well. Mid South one was tremendous.

I wish the mag was a bit longer though - compared to PS it's like a novel, but having lived in Japan for a while I miss getting 130 pages a week for my wrestling fix!

Does anyone remember who the commentators were on the New Japan Pro Wrestling broadcasts that used to be on Eurosport about 20 years ago? Think they may have been American.

In fact, can anyone remember anything else about these shows at all? I just remember Liger and Brutus Beefcake (as Ed Leslie) being on it.

I think it was Powerslam that did the retrospective on Tanahashi's career a little while back, which I thought was actually pretty good.

That was FSM. Tanahashi even posted about it on his blog, and sent us his personal thanks.

Apologies, I stand corrected.

In the past I felt the only thing PS had over FSM was its larger amount of puroresu coverage (which I think is why I misremembered) - though I see that beginning to change recently. Looking forward to any other similar articles you might have coming up.

I'd like to see more on NJPW too (besides the monthly iPPV reviews) - the group is so hot right now. I think it was Powerslam that did the retrospective on Tanahashi's career a little while back, which I thought was actually pretty good.

An article charting NJPW's history from inception, throughout the boom years, to its decline in the 2000s and subsequent resurgence in popularity from 2012 onwards would be great.

What is currently the second largest wrestling company in the world by capital/revenue?