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As the EDL news article pointed out, none of the normal media cared about the story as it was so clearly fabricated. So there's not really alot of other places he could link. There's the EDL website, who obviously claim the whole thing's real, the NWI infidels website, who know full well it was the luton mig's, or the edl/hope not hate/various other anti-fascist sites. It's not anywhere else.

The edl news, while being largely anti-edl (as most news sources tend to be? I mean it's hard to be anything else) did report, word for word, the press release tommy put out.

Anyone can rip holes in such a clearly fabricated story. You only need to read the press release to see that David.

Haven't read anything saying they'll be more militant. Griffin will no doubt be doing everything he can to try and get the name out more and increase funding but they're basically fucked. Half of them have migrated to the british freedom party after being kicked out by, or wanting away from, griffin.

A bitter leadership battle last year basically split the party, half voting for Andrew Brons, half voting for griffin. (Griffin won by like 10 votes) and Brons and Griffin are now trading insults and both inferring the other may be a left wing infiltrator brought in to destory the party.

The EDL's seen a massive downturn in turnouts at it's marches, and suffers similar (slightly more scarey in some ways) infighting with breakaway groups forming (the NWI infidels, like the edl but opening anti-jewish, black, catholic, gay etc etc being the largest at this point) and stories of chaps turning up at other chaps family's houses and being all intimidating and nasty in front of their families and stuff.

And it split further when Tommy announced he was joining up with the british freedom party. Alot of edl members feeling very let down by his moving into politics.

Tommy's year ended with him getting a bit of a kicking from his local football firm cos he'd got too lippy with the top boy, he immediately put out a press release showing his facial injuries, and blaming it on muslims who were hiding in a car driven by a woman who looked like his wife, so he slowed and walked over, and many muslims with knuckle dusters got out, knocked him out, then sang merry christmas at him after they'd knocked him out (how he knew this while unconscious, has not been disclosed).

There's a bit more to it than that, iran has been a bit naughty with helping out insurgents in iraq, for one, won't do as it's told re it's nuclear weapons (not just by america, but by the international community as a whole) says some rather confrontational stuff about about israel etc etc.

Not to say war won't be about oil, or even that America's behaviour isn't as naughty as Iran's in alot of cases. But there it is, it may kick off, if so America will have no real right or moral justification for it, but it'll be Iran's own fucking fault.

Ah now to be fair WW3's not all that preposterous. Massive economic problems world wide always leave things a little tense, various governments would like to blame various other governments for the serious problems, that's generally how these things start. So I'll give you that.

NWO stuff 's a bit out there though, china's definitely not saying WW3 or NWO, at all, in fact if you look at the wikileaks stuff they're starting to (privately) distance themselves from Iran a bit, as Iran clearly aren't playing the game properly. And why help out people who won't play the game?

So that's all rubbish.

But the whole system may break down over the next few years, worldwide, with massive military unrest following, that's not tin foil hat stuff.

Ya think? Thought it was all too believable meself.

Just seen a clip on that on sky news saying it never happened, and that iranian tv made it up.

Interesting, anyone seen the footage?

Has anyone ever suspected Osborne has the slightest clue what he's doing? Quite apart from the fact I don't trust him or his ilk as far as the bloke who killed the fugitive's wife could throw them, he seems utterly unqualified in every way to be doing the job he's in.

 

I wonder how he ever suspected consumers were going to start spending money again when many of us are living in ongoing fear of losing jobs, pensions and, in some cases, homes. Previously disposable cash is now being either spent on paying off existing debts or saving for the future, because very few people feel any security at present. That underlying climate of fear is never going to be a recipe for economic growth.

I think he knows exactly what he's doing, he's reducing the size of the state as much as he can while protecting the very rich. It's what tories always do, the deficit's just a useful excuse for them to do what they always do anyway. I doubt he particularly cares how it affects the country as a whole.

That's not quite as suspicious as you make it sound mind, bearing in mind the vast majority of the country wants capitalism, you'd expect the two main parties to represent that.

Not that I agree with either mind, but I'm in a minority, and that's kinda the point. My politics are fringe and unpopular, therefore unrepresented, that is democracy. It's why the BNP and the communist party get nowhere, because no-one wants them.

But we do have a democratic process that allows the country as a whole a say.

Even when the three main parties are basically one & the same? We were getting the same shitty Government decisions regardless of who got into power at the last elections.

Well putting aside the fact they're really not (as much as I disliked alot of what the tory lite version of the labour party did, I dislike the polices of the full on tories even more) that's (annoyingly) what the country chooses.

You and I would probably have some radical ideas about the change this country should have, but radical ideas don't go down well with voters. And as such don't happen. We have the parties that are most electable, and that's because people in this country as a whole are largely morons. So we get parties and policies that reflect that. Which is democracy in action, no matter how much we dislike it.

When we're being ruled by a military junta and haven't had free elections for 30 years?

I do think people can drastically overstate the issues this country has in comparison to others.

Christ knows there's alot I'd change, and christ knows none of the major parties come close to representing the policies I'd like to see enforced. But we do have a democratic process that allows the country as a whole a say. Which is quite a bit better than the state of affairs in egypt or syria currently, or indeed iraq and afghanistan previously.

I don't think you necessarily have to be a conspiracy nut to see the affects unchecked capitalism has had on the world wide economy. And to question just how much influence multinational corporations (especially the banks, but many others as well) have on western governments through various lobby groups.

Just reading private eye should make you think about that.

Evanescence? Well I guess they couldn't keep announcing bands that aren't shit.

The organiser's been going on about chase and status being the next big crossover band. Expect to see them there I reckon, which'll really piss the troooo metal types off.

Slayer in the country a fortnight before as well, so they look a good bet.

If those two plus machine head get booked I don't think I'll need any more bands.

The idea we should cut back on international aid is based on the premise that the aid is merely a charitable gift to help the poor and unfortunate. Whilst a small amount of money given may fit that purpose, I'd say there are far deeper diplomatic and trade reasons behind most of the money we give. Just as the Libyan war wasn't, in spite of how it was presented, simply an intervention in the name of glorious liberty, the billions we ship abroad in the name of 'foreign aid' have other motives besides improving human rights and conditions.

 

Considering it would be one of the easiest things to cut back, and this government is entirely focused on cutting government spending (or such is the public face), there have to be purposes beyond helping the poor at work here, especially since the way the money is distributed doesn't really show the poorest and neediest being helped.

I don't think it's quite as mysterious as you make out. The quicker we can get the poorer countries up and consuming the quicker we can sell em stuff, trade their bonds, take advantage of emerging credit markets.

We're investing in em, obviously, which is done almost entirely for selfish reasons (or at the very least, there's a decent fiscal argument for doing the right thing, depening on which way round you want to look at it.)

I don't think that's really new news.

To be fair, the idea that the banks control the euro existing is bollocks. Apart from anything else having multiple currencies allows more opportunities for trading against exchange rates and bonds. Which they prefer.

So tommy robinson's left the EDL to join the british freedom party (basically a party set up by BNP members who no longer like nick griffin so started their own party).

Which made me chuckle.

check the circle pits at 7 mins in and tell me they're not metal.

They're not metal. I've seen circle pits at Arctic Monkeys and Oasis gigs. Are they metal too?

Circle pits like that?

And no of course monkey and oasis, don't, they're just rock, softish rock at that, nothing heavy about them at all.

Prodigy on the other hand are fucking heavy, guitars, drummer, shouty bloke, they have alot of elements of metal to them to my mind. They may not be purist metal, but I'd say they qualify. They're certianly more metal than someone like deff leopard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLJklPVysIc...feature=related

Here's prodigy playing to 700,000 (I didn't put an extra 0 in there) check the circle pits at 7 mins in and tell me they're not metal. They're very metal indeed to my mind.

And yeah they did 70,000 at mk bowl last year (may even have been two days in a row) they're massive at the moment. And the live shows, especially at dl, are legendary, I am fucking there.

Had an email today from leicester square theatre, he seems to be doing a ridiculously long run there, from late november through till about febuary.

Sabbath just confirmed for download, and confirmed a new album for 2012 produced by rick rubin.

Tasty.

Yup, lars tweeted the same.

Someone just pointed out, if they're doing classic albums in full - black sabbath 4 is 40 next year.

That'd be sexy.

sabbath for soni so i hear on DL forums?

They seem to be saying they'll be for dl? DL have another headliner announced tomorrow, sabbath are announcing tomorrow.

I could see it being a clever ploy by soni to be fair, but I'd imagine it'd more likely be download.

Looks pretty locked in I'd say (not been told anything, but they both announce tomorrow) that just leaves the van halen replacement, whoever that might be.