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  1. Random one - can anyone remember, and I'm pretty sure it was a "Diva" (as was) - who did this for a finish.... Started with an inverted facelock then a leg swept across the opponents body to do like an inverted legdrop DDT. But not the outside leg as Big Show used to do (think they called it the Showstopper), but the inside leg, so it arcs from pointing into your own body all the way out to slamming across the opponent, and you end up sitting facing the same way your opponents feet point.... if that makes sense?

    EDIT - ignore me. It was Melina. Of course it was.

    As an aside since I'm on finishers... learning that Perez' finish is called "PopRox" amused me greatly. A far cry from when they used to get real lazy and called anything "(something) bomb" "(something) slam" or "(something) kick."

  2. On 4/19/2024 at 2:39 PM, JLM said:

    Good to see Jade Cargill is booked for a house show this weekend. Hope she gets to do a lot of these. If she can get to the point where she can work a solid ten minute match consistently I don’t think she needs much more. 

    Imported from the Raw thread because it was a SmackDown show, but I happened upon the results just now while looking for something else. For those that keep an eye on what happens on the road (like I do) there's a lot of repetition from what was going on before/at Mania including rematches of Bayley vs Io and Jade/Naomi/Bianca beating the other three.

    And you can see it here ;

    What went on last, you may be wondering....? LA Knight vs Solo. The main event push for both may be very much on, YEAH.

  3. 22 minutes ago, JakeRobertsParoleOfficer said:

    There's multiple versions around the 'Luger' story.

    1 that got played alot (before Luger suffered his health issues and become 'loved' by all) was that he was down to win the title at Summerslam but got pissed up, spilt the beans on this a few days before and therefore the then WWF changed lanes!

    To be blunt, (1) that's not quite the ridiculous, implausible bollocks I'm going for, It's very plausible that Luger winning the belt was planned, because it was at one point, (2) the common version of that story is concerning Mania X rather than SummerSlam and (3) it's been refuted many times by all involved.

  4. My recent reminisce * over the September 93 WWF Mag with a glistening Luger’s abs on the cover got me thinking - what’s the best examples you can recall of hearing/reading someone claim a booking plan that ended up scrapped, which was so outlandish that you know it’s total fiction?

    The reason I mention Luger… we all heard stories that he was pencilled in to win the belt at Mania X, right? However, my story in question is not that after winning the Rumble he’d have gone on and dethroned Yokozuna at Wrestlemania… that would have made sense! No, there was some poor misguided corner of the web where I once read that if Borga had not done his ankle at MSG… the mind boggles. Allegedly they’d have had Taker actually beat Zuna in the casket match instead of him getting Bloodlined, then Lex would have won the Rumble, at face value setting up Undertaker vs Luger for Mania. However… at some indeterminate point between PPVs (a Raw? A house show???) BORGA would win the WWF title from “the Dead Man” who would then head off for his hiatus to sort his back out.

    What do you make to THAT?? Taker getting a Three Years Long Service medal of a “thanks for selling so many foam urns” second title reign again lasting no time at all? Luger avenging his “being robbed” (by his own stupidity) at SummerSlam by winning the belt from someone else? Yoko getting built up by squashing every decent babyface on the books and ending Hulkamania then NOT being vanquished at Mania? Ludvig Borga, WWF Champion?? I mean… yes, they were doing everything to build up “anti American” heels around the time - Luger had already been on the road with Borga for near 6 months at this point and they’d had “sympathiser” Crush going over Randy Savage in every town on the loop to make him look a threat too but… are we really cutting Yoko off before Mania just to give Taker another “stat” as the kids would say? And crown Borga, who was never better than “limited”? I don’t think so.

    So… what was your favourite piece of booking bullshit anyone ever purported to believe?? Bonus points if any suggestion winds up something a Prichard or JR has actually confirmed as discussed as a possibility… LOL.

    * Not a euphemism.

  5. 7 hours ago, TheScarlettChad said:

    To think, Swagger partaking in "The Herb" saved us from another Swagger World title run.

    I think his challenge was only ever down as a Trojan Horse for Ziggler. The story goes that the original plan was for the “cash in” to occur at Mania itself, but Del Rio played his face that he should get a big win at Mania, having been denied one at Mania 27 due to plans changing.

  6. 2 hours ago, HarmonicGenerator said:

    I treat Khali as a world champion very differently, because the title he won had only been around for about five years when he won it, and didn’t really mean a lot anyway. Jinder won the title, the one that’s supposed to go back to 1963 as the pinnacle of the company. That’s worse.

    Plus Khali might have been awful to watch but he was believable as a threat, having beaten The Undertaker and that. Jinder was a jobber that magically became champion. That ridiculous sudden leap from nobody to the top spot never fools anyone.

    2 hours ago, Loki said:

    Jack Swagger surely is worst title holder ever?  Won it from Piss Jericho, lost in within 3 months and has never bothered the main event scene since.  

    Worse - was a crap challenger for Del Rio after winning a Chamber where he was the worst possible winner. Cracking nights work for Mark Henry, mind.

    2 hours ago, d-d-d-dAz said:

    I will be monitoring this thread for the foreseeable future, checking for any JBL slander.

    Don't. Just don't.

    I’d only be repeating myself. No justification for one of the Acolytes to win the big belt two months after doing jobs to Bashams. Pathetic.

  7. 3 hours ago, TheScarlettChad said:

    I mean, Flair had a cup of coffee in WWE, And he became "GM" in 2001, purely for how legendary he was. 

    That’s nothing like the story they told. Shane and Stephanie sold their WWF stock during the Invasion/Alliance storyline to a “consortium” that turned out to actually be Ric. So he bought his way into part ownership as opposed to having any position bestowed upon him.

  8. 36 minutes ago, Supremo said:

    I can’t even explain what a huge open goal they’ve got for Seth’s return. 

    Unfortunately the “prior convictions” for skying an open goal when a top star comes back from injury over the last ten years are awful, including (but not limited to) of Seth himself. About the only bloke booked worse than Rollins for more than two years after his comeback was buddy/rival Reigns, the peak of which being that late 2016 period where Owens vs Rollins existed as such a pointless, transparently time-killing feud as we all knew the U belt would end up on Roman… and yet he didn’t win it until 2018 and Seth had to wait until Mania 35. In era of two titles, inexcusable bullshit.

  9. 35 minutes ago, Mr_Danger said:

    With Heath on the indies and Drew’s contract running down I can see a big 3MB reunion on the horizon.

    He’s staying, it just hasn’t leaked yet, I’m utterly convinced. If he doesn’t go on last for the Silver Medal in Glasgow I’ll be stunned.

  10. I know people say “oh, there were two titles” as an excuse to throw any shit at the wall, but there was no excuse for dross like Jinder to win one of them when Roman Reigns was bang in the middle of waiting two fucking years to be a champion again. Shameless attempt to get more visibility in an overseas market by prostituting your top title to push a marginal talent. He can fuck off.

  11. 16 minutes ago, RedRooster said:

    I’m intrigued as to where they’ll go with Knight after the draft. He’s still very over, and now that there are two World titles, the idea of a secondary World title reign should this remain the case doesn’t seem out of the question.

    Knight to Raw is a no brainer. He’s popular, they have a new heel champion, and you’d buy him as being able to beat Priest.

  12. 11 hours ago, Tommy! said:

    Shawn and Ronda Shear.

    Fond memories!

    September 1993 WWF Magazine, the very first I got my parents to buy me at the newsagent instead of getting second hand from friends. Which was the “September” issue, which we bought in August, and reviewed King of the Ring which had happened in June - couldn’t get my head round that. It was a far cry from the Beano, I tell thee. Always thought it was funny that the Hulk still got his face onto the cover even though they’d just buried him on the PPV. Regardless… I could probably tell you everything that was in that magazine. Definitely the “Undertake ‘Em All” Hasbro ad on the inside cover, still trying to flog you figures of Sid and Anvil even if you just saw them on Worldwide on ITV that afternoon, and Nailz, 8 months removed from him getting slung for trying to kill/knob Vince, depending who you believe.. and making you desperately scour Toys R Us for a Shawn that didn’t exist.

    IMG_3744.jpeg.1a69a3ee0c97ea4609b58626fbab2287.jpeg….. this fucker.

    Of course, inside was a SummerSlam preview which, par for the course, made you look forward to matches that would be cancelled like Marty Jannetty vs The Model and Tatanka & Sherri vs Bam Bam & Luna. The King of the Ring review made it sound like Bret Hart was the toughest wrestler who ever lived. The coverage of The Steiners winning the tag belts twice at house shows in “The Night The Belt Changed Hands” was accompanied by photos of matches clearly taken (judging by lighting and setup) at TV tapings - in particular a couple of photos where the wrestlers seem drenched in sweat are dead giveaways it wasn’t from the road. Of course as a kid, looking at these official looking photos I assumed I might see the title switches on Coliseum one day - whoops. The Crush interview was so kayfabed every second word was “brah” or “bruddah” and apart from he was clearly threatening to do something terrible to Doink, it was unreadable. Most famously, the company printed Now It’s Our Turn, the “first of a series” of hitting back, a hatchet job of Superstar Graham, replete with mentions of TitanSports Inc, Dr Zahorian and numerous other things that would fly over the heads of the children reading.

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    Vince McMahon… a good guy.

    Worst of all it promised future “exposes” on perceived chancers and liars, including Rita Chatterton. Thankfully these never materialised, one imagines subscriptions slumped when parents saw their kids were going to learn about (and I quote) “sex scandals” over their Coco Pops in the months to come.

    As for Shawn and Ronda, the article and accompanying photos were a fake date, I’m not sure to what end. There’s one in the restaurant where Shawn has lipstick kisses on his face, she’s got fingers playing with his shirt buttons, and it’s reminiscent of one you see when two photos later there will be a cock in Michelle Thorne’s mouth. I didn’t know who Ronda was then, or when she appeared at Mania X, though I later loved the consistency of her mugging HBK off then him getting the same treatment from Pamela Anderson (who I DEFINITELY knew of) the year after. Either way, even this weird pseudo soft porn wasn’t the most embarrassing thing about the magazine, having had to endure this cover to even get out of the shop without being targeted as a gayman by bullies ;

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    ….. looking back I wasn’t sure why THIS was the turning point for me actually buying wrestling magazines, but it’s probably the peak of Youth Club rumours, and I was dying to see if the issue would cover “Lex Luger came out of the sky in a helicopter, powerslammed Yokozuna, pinned him and now he’s WWF Champion.” Still waiting.

     

  13. 1 hour ago, HarmonicGenerator said:

    I don’t recognise the name Soner Durson at all. Who was he? (He?)

    Cruiserweight lad who I saw a fair few times in Stockport/Prestwich… probably not known much outside Greater Manchester but I saw him come on leaps and bounds and thought he was in with a shout at cracking the level of a Kris Travis/Joey Hayes/Noam Dar “national recognition” position. Then I stopped going to shows, lost track of the scene, the pandemic happened, and four years later I’m learning he didn’t quite make it.

  14. 53 minutes ago, Loki said:

    Incidentally are WWE going to rename Cora Jade?  They don't usually have two people with the same name.

    Back in the day they'd simply rename the good Jade just "Cargill" and have done with it.

    Fucking "Riddle" vs "Theory." Utter joke.

  15. NOVEMBER 2019
    Tour time! Fucked if I can keep track of who's on what show here. It's a bit of a chore, hope people are still reading!

    MAIN EVENTS - SMACKDOWN
    Roman Reigns vs King Corbin (what a fucking waste of time) hits Brighton on 7th then 9th-13th in Minehead, Dublin, Vienna, Lille and Zurich - no, "The Man" was not booked in Dublin this year. After a draft lands the Universal title on the blue brand, 16th in Washington its The Fiend vs Braun Strowman in a Last Man Standing match, 23rd in Grand Rapids Bray goes in a cage with Daniel Bryan, 30th in Mexico City its still a cage match atop what I think is a cross-brand supershow and (LOCAL INTEREST) Rey Mysterio challenges.

    THE CARDS
    It’s most often Shinsuke Nakamura vs Mustafa Ali for the ICT, tag title is usually either The Revival vs New Day (repeats in Washington) or a three way with Luke Harper & Erick Rowan and there are three instances of Daniel Bryan vs Harper, plus Bryan & Ali vs Nakamura & Sami Zayn in Dublin and Lille after a DQ in the title match (repeats in Washington). Four instances too of Sin Cara vs Andrade, Bayley vs Charlotte continues. It's Carmella & Dana Brooke vs Mandy Rose & Sonya Deville in the British Isles, then vs The Iiconics in mainland Europe. There's also Apollo Crews, Shorty G & Heavy Machinery vs Dolph Ziggler, Robert Roode, Bo Dallas & Curtis Axel before they board the plane to Vienna.

    VARIATIONS
    In Brighton Dana vs Mandy goes to a DQ in a wholly unnecessary extra singles match before the tag. Minehead get Nakamura vs Ali vs Rowan. In Vienna - (LOCAL INTEREST) Walter vs Jordan Devlin for the UK belt, Gable wins a battle royal vs other potential participants in the Lucha House Party tag clusterfuck (and Andrade) and later is involved in the ICT - Nakamura vs Ali vs Rowan vs himself. Lille see Crews, G, Gran Metalik & Lince Dorado beat Dallas, Ziggler, Roode & Cesaro. Zurich it's Nakamura vs Ali vs Crews, Rowan vs Sin Cara, Kalisto/Dorado/Shorty vs Dallas/Ziggler/Roode and (LOCAL INTEREST) Cesaro goes over Andrade. Washington has Bayley vs Nikki Cross, Lio Rush vs Angel Garza for the CWT, Dana vs Tamina, Crews, G, Dorado & Kalisto beat Ziggler, Roode, Cesaro & Harper. Grand Rapids - Nakamura vs The Miz for the ICT, Ricochet upsets Randy Orton, Revival lose to Machinery, Charlotte vs Kairi Sane, Drew McIntyre vs Akira Tozawa, Cross vs Lacey Evans, Rusev vs Bobby Lashley and Andrade loses to Humberto Carrillo. Finally Mexico City, Seth Rollins vs Kevin Owens, Braun beats Nakamura & Zayn in a handicap, Aleister Black vs Andrade again, Asuka & Kairi vs Bayley & Sasha Banks vs Alexa Bliss & Nikki vs Becky Lynch & Charlotte and - huh??? - Gallows & Anderson lose to Humberto and Cain Velasquez.

    MAIN EVENTS - RAW
    Its The Fiend vs Seth Rollins for the U belt in a cage match 9th-13th in Leeds, Aberdeen (Becky on last for some reason) and Glasgow, a streetfight Amsterdam and Erfurt before Bray heads to SmackDown and now without a champion on the brand (realistically) 14th/15th its Seth vs Drew McIntyre (topical) in Mannheim and Regensburg, then 16th in Dusseldorf Rollins beats AJ Styles by DQ leading to - you guessed it - Rolins & Viking Raiders vs Styles, Karl Anderson & Luke Gallows. 29th in Little Rock its Rollins vs Kevin Owens on last.

    THE CARDS
    On British legs of the tour there's AJ Styles vs Braun Strowman for the US title which ends up breaking down into Braun & Viking Raiders vs AJ, Karl Anderson & Luke Gallows. There's Rey Mysterio & Ricochet vs Randy Orton & Drew McIntyre, Womens title is still Becky Lynch vs Sasha Banks, tag title with Asuka & Kairi Sane vs Nikki Cross & Sarah Logan, every night the grudge match of Rusev vs Bobby Lashley plus R-Truth vs Drake Maverick and Cedric Alexander vs Shelton Benjamin, after which Shelton also loses to Angelo Dawkins. In continental Europe we frequently see Kevin Owens stepping into Braun’s spot for the AJ match and six man. Lynch is often back with Lacey Evans and Logan loses to Natalya. Ricochet vs McIntyre repeats to mixed results. Shelton vs Titus O’Neil is also even and sometimes is followed by Shelton losing again to someone else/getting brought back down to Earth. Dawkins & Montez Ford vs Zack Ryder & Curt Hawkins repeats too - still Rusev vs Lashley every night.

    VARIATIONS 
    Drew nor Ricochet wrestle in Aberdeen ; it’s Mysterio vs Orton and Profits vs Benjamin & Maverick vs Truth & Cedric. In Amsterdam a unique six man has Braun, KO and Rey drop the Bullet Club. In Mannheim Doc & Karl do double duty and work a three way with the Profits and former Edgeheads, and Ricochet pins Shelts after his win over Titus. A unique swap in Regensburg has Ricochet do the DQ with AJ followed by the six-man, underneath after Shelton loses to Titus he complains his way into another match and loses to Kev. Little Rock has Lynch vs Charlotte to a DQ followed by the pair of them teaming to beat Asuka & Kairi non title (boo!), Drew vs Cedric, Aleister Black vs Buddy Murphy, Humberto Carrillo vs Andrade and a three way of Raiders vs Profits vs Club.

    MAIN EVENTS - NXT
    Calming down a bit, all the shows are in Florida this month. Most of them look awful too. 1st in Largo it's all the Forgotten Sons, Wesley Blake, Steve Cutler & Jaxson Ryker vs Pete Dunne, Dominik Dijakovic & Nick Ogarelli (Nick Comoroto in ROH today). 2nd in Venice Dunne and Danny Burch beat Riddick Moss & Dorian Mak, 7th in Ocala "The Outliers" and Brendan Vink lose to Tyler Breeze, Fandango & Babatunde then next night in Tampa (University Area Community Development Center ) Breezango beat the Outliers in a straight tag, 9th in St Augustine it's Dakota Kai & Tegan Nox vs Io Shirai & Bianca Belair. 13th back in Tampa (Amalie Arena) Breezango beat Blake & Cutler, 15th in Citrus Springs Dijak & Matt Riddle beat Cutler & Ryker. What an underwhelming crop! Hardly anyone of note is booked for house shows including none of the champions.

    REPEAT - ONE!
    Deonna Purrazzo vs Xia Li in Largo and St Augustine.

    ASSORTED OTHERS
    Largo - Cameron Grimes vs Austin Theory, Mia Yim vs MJ Jenkins, Kayden Carter & Santana Garrett vs Vanessa Borne & Aliyah. Venice - Theory vs Ridge Holland, Io Shirai vs Borne, Deonna vs Kayden, Santana & Jessi Kamea vs Jessamyn Duke & Marina Shafir. Ocala - Keith Lee & Matt Riddle vs Wesley Blake & Jaxson Ryker, Theory vs Angel Garza, Raul Mendoza & Catalina Garcia vs Denzel Dejournette & Carter, Jenkins vs Borne, Garrett & Kamea vs Reina Gonzalez & Indi Hartwell. Tampa (I) - Bronson Reed vs Mendoza, Io vs Xia, Tegan Nox vs Borne. St Augustine - Isiah Scott vs Tehuti Miles, Taynara Conti vs Catalina. Tampa (II) - Theory vs Mansoor, Danny Burch vs Miles, Reina vs Monique (MJ), Garrett & Carter vs Purrazzo & Conti. Citrus - Scott vs Blake, Xia vs Deonna vs Taynara, Kayden vs Chelsea Green.

    TVs
    1st in Buffalo has some very interesting results as NXT invades SmackDown - in particular Danny Bry challenges Adam Cole for the NXT title and loses. 4th Raw at the Nassau Coliseum Zelina Vega gets a match tagging with Andrade to beat Sin Cara and Catalina, Rollins beats Cole by DQ and dark, loses another cage match to The Fiend. Wednesday night at Full Sail the main roster returns the favour as the OC goes to a no-contest with Keith, Riddle and Tommaso Ciampa. 8th in Manchester they tape a massive 13 matches for SmackDown and Raw including Revival dropping the SmackDown straps to New Day, Reigns dropping a fairly fateful televised pinfall to Corbin, Sin Cara doing possibly his final TV job to Drew, and Soner Durson (who I once considered a future star in the making) losing to Rowan. Wednesday at Full Sail, dark matches have Dexter Lumis vs Daniel Vidot and Chelsea vs Catalina. Friday's NXT:UK taping at Kingston upon Hull has Mark Andrews vs Kassius Ohno on top of 12 televised matches, meanwhile in Philly there's Cesaro vs Crews before SmackDown and both Reigns vs Corbin and Fiend vs Bryan after it. The only thing you might like to know about Saturday's NXT:UK taping is... Pretty Deadly lose to Amir Jordan & Kenny Williams. 18th Raw in Boston, Fiend vs McIntyre inside a cage is an odd dark main. Wednesday at Full Sail Carter vs Borne and Mansoor & Mendoza vs Outliers are the dark matches, and several ex NXT main roster guys come for a fight (including the first Lynch vs Rhea Ripley match). Friday 22nd at the Allstate Cesaro vs Crews is dark again and on the show proper Ripley wins a three way with Charlotte and Sasha and Undisputed Era (Cole, Kyle O'Reilly, Bobby Fish & Roderick Strong) beat Heavy Machinery & New Day. next night in the same building a well-received TakeOver has Kev go back to his roots and team with Ciampa, Keith and Dijak to beat the Era in War Games, and Rhea's team beats Shayna Baszler and friends. Survivor Series next nighth (11,500) has NXT beat the main roster in three ways between the Womens teams, midcard champions and (on last) Womens singles champions, plus a fairly decent Brock Lesnar (remember him?) defence against Rey no DQ (Dominick gets involved and takes a good bump in a great finish). On Raw next night, fourth night in Rosemont, Matt Hardy does a job for Murphy, Rey wins the UST from Styles and dark Bray beats Drew in another cage match. Finally Friday in Birmingham AL, Revival vs Metalik & Dorado occurs before SmackDown and Fiend beats Miz after it.

    NON TITLE WHINING
    Beaten this month : Kabucki Warriors (Womens Tag Team Champions) by Charlotte & Natalya

    DEPARTURES
    Jordan Myles aka ACH is released from his WWE contract on 11/21. He posts a video to socials stating that he quit WWE, explaining he refused to “work for racists” over an apparently contentious t-shirt design, and that the name Jordan Myles is a “slave name” he no longer wished to be known as. Huh. Sin Cara also requests and receives his release from WWE, stating he felt under valued in the promotion, and wanted to continue his career elsewhere. This being decent Sin Cara who was Incognito/Hunico, not Mistico/original Sin Cara who botched a lot. He goes to AAA and goes by Cinta de Ora to honour one of his late mentors. Having been denied his release as long ago as April, and despite being somewhat featured for the last couple of months, Luke Harper's appearance in Washington is his last match for the company and he's released in December. He trademarks "Brodie Lee" for his own use, you probably all know the rest of his story.

     

     

  16. I think there's a golden opportunity here to rehash an old NWA title finish - let's make the Athletic Commissions a heel entity that we can use in the story and have them intervene and stop one of Moxley's matches because he's bleeding.

    Shambolic treatment of Nyla though it's been... I'd use it, if she's OK with it.

  17. 1 hour ago, SwayWays said:

    I think he's one of the best long standing main event WWE style wrestlers they have. I think because he's been there for so long, and his slightly caricature appearance, he gets overlooked than say an Orton.

    It's probably because Orton was in the title hunt on and off for most of his tenure to date and held World titles about 10 times, and Sheamus spent half his time there in The Bar. He was stale as fuck when they used him to Luger Roman at Survivors 2015 and that League Of Nations twaddle did him no favours (or anyone, really). That was nearly 10 years ago.

    Agreed on the match where he dropped the belt to Show though... that was an exceptional, unexpectedly dramatic one. Show was miserably played out at that point, but the fellah did wonders with him on that night.

    1 hour ago, LaGoosh said:

    Mid-90s Shawn or mid 2000s Shawn? Because they would be two very different lists for me.

    It was an "of all time" scenario so total body of work, It's all fucking bollocks though isn't it? One loser with too much time on his hands thinks that 100 wrestlers as diverse as Jumbo Tsuruta, Sami Zayn, Bryan Danielson, Bruno Sammartino, Akira Hokuto etc are/were all better than HBK, by some criteria or another... I mean, it sounds daft to me but in the true spirit of "we've all got our opinions" good for him, but... actually making the list to prove a rhetoric of "I can name 100 wrestlers better than Shawn Michaels" .... yeah? Good for you. I'll be over here, not giving a shit.

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